Talk:Frederick III, Elector of Saxony

Misdirected link
I'm not sure if there is a page on Frederick's mother - however, clicking on Elizabeth of Bavaria in the ancestor tree at the bottom will lead to a completely different person. I'm not proficient enough in Wiki to correct this - so I just wanted to point it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.215.246.64 (talk) 01:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Protestant or Catholic in spirit?
The article says he both "greatly supported Martin Luther's teachings" and "remained a Roman Catholic". How could he have supported greatly anything Luther taught after 1517 while remaining a Roman Catholic in doctrine? If he was not Roman Catholic in doctrine but in outward allegiance, that needs to be clarified, for otherwise there is a discrepancy and calling him a Lutheran Roman Catholic seems absurd. Srnec 05:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Many at the time agreed that the Church needed reform, but were not ready to go so far as to break communion with Rome. Furthermore, Luther's teachings on sacramental theology (consubstantiation) were far outside the standard understanding of Chrisitanity's most important Sacrament (i.e., transubstantiation), which would have left many at the time uncomfortable.  Reforming the moral climate of the Church: yes; changing the sacramental teaching of the Christianity: No.  MishaPan 19:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The article states: "Frederick was Pope Leo X's candidate for Holy Roman Emperor in 1519 — the pope had awarded him the Golden Rose of virtue on September 3, 1518 —, but he helped secure the election of Charles V." Who is the "he" that helped secure the election of Charles V? Was he Pope Leo X or Frederick III? MishaPan 19:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

-- This article seems sort of biased to me -- for instance "But he was too large-hearted and possessed too noble a nature." and "The attitude of the elector was due rather to his love of justice..." and "...but seldom has a prince practised [sic] greater self-renunciation." Zaporozhian 00:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The Man and his Empire Were BLACK
So why these fake paintings and coins with no face on them? http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/History_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire_3.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.188.138.102 (talk) 16:03, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Elector's Dream contains problematic content
Frederick_III,_Elector_of_Saxony contains much that seems to be from a different site or maybe from the referenced book that isn't clearly identified. Public domain status doesn't remove the requirement to cite it properly and use quotation marks where appropriate.

Additionally, much of the content in this section is written in a biased and non-encyclopedic style. The style seems archaic, lending further support to the idea that it comes directly from an improperly cited source. in particular, it seems to leave the description of the dream and proceed to the next day and describe the actual (alleged) nailing of the Theses, but it describes this in flowery language.-DeirdreAnne(talk • contribs) 06:28, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Eg. "On the 31st of October, the day preceding the festival, a monk went boldly to the church, to which a crowd of worshipers was already repairing, and affixed to the door ninety-five propositions against the doctrine of indulgences. That monk was Martin Luther. He went alone; not one of his most intimate friends knew of his design." (Edit: Quotation marks mine) -DeirdreAnne(talk • contribs) 06:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Further, "By these theses the doctrine of indulgences was fearlessly opposed. It was shown that the power to grant the pardon of sin, and to remit its penalty, had never been committed to the pope, or to any other man. The whole scheme was a farce, an artifice to extort money by playing upon the superstitions of the people, a device of Satan to destroy the souls of all who should trust to its lying pretensions. It was also clearly shown that the gospel of Christ was the most valuable treasure of the church, and that the grace of God, therein revealed, was freely bestowed upon all who should seek it by repentance and faith.

"God was directing the labors of this fearless builder, and the work he wrought was firm and sure. He had faithfully presented the doctrine of grace, which would destroy the assumptions of the pope as a mediator, and lead the people to Christ alone as the sinner's sacrifice and intercessor. Thus was the elector's dream already beginning to be fulfilled. The pen which wrote upon the church door extended to Rome, disturbing the lion in his lair, and jostling the pope's diadem. [6]"

(Quotation marks are all mine). I suspect this is ripped verbatim from the source at the referenced "[6]". -DeirdreAnne(talk • contribs) 06:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I would happily kill the whole dream section. We don't write an entire section on a dream for any other historical person. If it's significant we mention it briefly and move on. BananaBork (talk) 08:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)