Talk:Frederick VIII, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein

Use of and
And has been removed. Schleswig and Holstein were hyphenated in short, official used. It was generally treated as singular territory. Charles 20:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Old stuff
I am scratching my head, trying to grasp Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles) and the convention itself. Duke Frederick was acknoledged and supported by virtually all Germans (except Bismarck), and quite a few international powers too, so I suppose it might be correct to name the article Frederick VIII of... although his reign wasn't stabilized before the Prussian-Austrian occupation; and he turned down Bismarck's "offer" to remain ruler in a Prussia-dominated Schleswig-Holstein.

A second issue is the disposition of the first sentences, which we probably will have reason to return to.

Thirdly, I wonder if the long line of castles would gain from being linked or not:
 * Duke Frederick VIII (July 6, 1829 - January 14, 1880) (in German: Friedrich Herzog von Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg), father-in-law of Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany.

-- Ruhrjung 08:39 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Prussia recognized the Duke as a mediatized prince. we genberally allow them their ordinals. After all, as recognized ones, semi-rulers accepyed by the annexing country, they were not just pretenders. rather, they must be regard as equivalents of vassal princes. Shilkanni 22:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

This article is in need of cleanup
The section describing that Danes "for one reason or another" preferred Prince Christian of Glücksburg over Frederick is not accurate and the intricacies referring two which of the two cadet branches that was more closer related to the royal family is somewhat irrelevant. Danes perceived both Friedrich of Augustenburg and Christian of Glücksburg as Germans. However, Christian of Glücksburg grew up in Copenhagen, was a Danish officer, spoke Danish, and was assumed to be pro-Danish. The Augustenburgers were seen as pro-German and anti-Danish, and I've never seen any Danish book refer to them as speakers of Danish. To little surprise for most Danes - all potential claimants to the Danish throne - save Christian of Glücksburg - broke their allegiance to Denmark at the outbreak of the First Schleswig War and fought for the rebel Schleswig-Holsteinish side. Christian chose to remain loyal to Denmark, and this is why he was allowed to remain in the Danish line of succession. Upon the death of Frederick VII of Denmark, "Friedrich VIII" returned to his former demands from the time of the first war, and stated that the Salic law should be invoked regarding the succession to the thrones of Schleswig and Holstein. He had by then realized he would never be able to claim the Danish throne as such, and his claim was of course a violation of the London Protocol of 1851, specifying that Christian of Glücksburg would inherit all three thrones upon the death of Frederick VII of Denmark. The Danish POV is that if this family hadn't held so strongly pro-German sympathies they might actually have ended up on the Danish throne.

In Denmark, the name "Friedrich der Achte" ("Friedrich VIII") was for decades referred to in Denmark the same way Americans refer to Benedict Arnold: the archetype of a national traitor, and it was not an accident that Augustenborg Palace was converted to a lunatic asylum following the region's return to Danish sovereignty in 1920. An illustration often found in Danish books shows a chamberpot featuring the portraits of Friedrich VIII and his son. Some descriptions of the father and son nuance the picture a bit more by stating that Friedrich VIII wasn't the most pro-German in the family, rather it was his son, the so-called Prince of Nör. So it is possible that the son is partly responsible for messing up his father's plans to take over the Danish throne.

This article describes them as overwhelmingly Danish and this counters any description of them I've ever seen in Danish books. All in all, this article needs to be factually checked, properly sourced, and to take both the German and Danish view on this person into account. I've consequently added an "accuracy" tag to it. Valentinian T / C 16:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Why VIII ?
There is only one Frederick duke of S.H.S.Augustenburg before him, so this is the 2nd duke. Why VIII? If the enumeration is refered to all members of the House of Oldenburg, what are the 7 Frederiks before him? There is also one else Frederick VIII king of Denmark & duke of S.H. It's quite confusing. M.Markek in genealogy.euweb.cz mentions him simply as Frederick. Is VIII an invention here? Aris de Methymna (talk) 13:41, 7 November 2017 (UTC)


 * According to List of rulers of Schleswig-Holstein, there was in fact up to a Frederick X in the line of dukes of Schleswig-Holstein before him (with repeated changes of territories and titles), who was also Frederick VII, but as King of Denmark. It does not seem that he claimed the Danish throne as well. de:Liste der Herzöge von Schleswig suggests that Danish kings used the Danish regnal number in Schleswig-Holstein as well, which would explain why this one went with VIII after VII. 93.19.248.151 (talk) 08:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)