Talk:Fredo Corleone

Ode to Fredo
Has anyone seen the "Ode to Fredo" video? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.49.157.11 (talk) 21:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Edits of 5 Jan 2009 -- (1) Fredo (as portrayed by Winegardner) was clearly bisexual, not homosexual. (2) The minor character's name is Marguerite Duvall, not Rita Maguerite [sic]. (3) I also changed a clumsy sentence which made it sound as if Fredo had been married to Kay (Michael's wife).

Fact is, there are numerous other problems with this article (too much content that's at most only marginally relevant to the topic; poor grammar; clumsy usage of present tense), and the whole thing could stand a rewrite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.217.163.193 (talk) 22:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Edits of 18 Jan 2009, 2204 UTC -- (1) Gender was listed as "non" [sic], changed to "male" (2) "The Fredster" was listed as an alias/nickname. I've seen all three GF films. I have read Puzo's _The Godfather_ and _The Sicilian_, as well as Winegardner's _The Godfather Returns_ and _The Godfather's Revenge_. Not just once, but multiple times for each movie and book. And I have never seen "The Fredster" used as a nickname. I challenge anyone who believes it is a nickname for Fredo to support it with a citation or reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.80.15.121 (talk) 22:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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Edits of Apr-15-2009 from 98.65.232.177

Fredo's name is Frederico, not Alfredo (see Puzo's novel).

The Godfather DVD set gives his dates of birth and death as 1919 and 1959. Mike Winegardner's sequel (authorized by the Puzo estate), _The Godfather Returns_, gives Fredo's date of death as March 25, 1959. (The novel does not explicity state the date of death; rather, the passage begins "two days later." This passage occurs immediately after a quoted transcript from "The Fred Corleone Show," which in turn occurs immediately after a narrative passage detailing Fredo's betrayal of Michael.  The fact that the quoted transcript occurs in this place and was printed in different typeface leads to some ambiguity, and at first glance it appears uncertain whether "two days later" means two days after the earlier narrative section or the events of the quoted transcript.  However, if it was two days after the earlier narrative section, this would mean that only two days elapsed between Fredo's betrayal of Michael and his death; utterly absurd when compared to the rest of the Godfather books and movies.  Therefore, the date of Fredo's death can be inferred from the quoted transcript, which *is* explicitly dated as having aired on March 23, 1959.

I'm the same person who made the 5-Jan-2009 and 18-Jan-2009 edits. And in all my long familiarity with The Godfather books and movies, I don't recall ever seeing anything which could establish Fredo's exact date of birth. Nor do I recall ever seeing anything that could even establish Deanna Dunn's *year* of birth. I'll freely admit if I'm wrong on either of these points. But I must also say that I am certain I'm right; that, combined with the fact that whoever made these changes which I'm reverting couldn't even get Fredo's name right, leads me to believe that these dates, as they appear in this article, are nothing more than fanboy inventions -- and to change my mind, you'll have to cite authorized sources.

Fans do not own characters! Those are the creations of the artists and property of the copyright holders. Just because something is not clearly specified in a work of art does not mean that you can simply invent something out of thin air.

I have made the following changes:

Changed "Alfredo" to "Frederico."

Removed Fredo's date of birth, while leaving the year (1919) intact.

Removed Deanna Dunn's year of birth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.65.232.177 (talk) 23:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Name
Are you sure that his name is Frederico and not Federico? I'm asking because the latter is an extremely more common Italian name.--151.51.45.45 (talk) 20:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

REPLY: From _The Godfather_, by Mario Puzo, ISBN 0-451-16771-6, p.16. "The second son [of Vito Corleone], Frederico, called Fred or Fredo, was a child every Italian prayed to the saints for. Dutiful, loyal, always at the service of his father, living with his parents at age thirty." -- There it is, Frederico with an "R." And it sure as hell ain't "Alfredo." :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.65.241.238 (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Earlier marriage?
In the first movie, during the wedding, it looks like Fredo has fairly conventional family, a wife and some kids. In the second movie, he is clearly shown as being married to floozy, and wishing he had been "more like Pop". Was the floozy his second wife? What do we know about his family in the 1st movie, if it was his family? Rwflammang (talk) 20:16, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * My understanding has always been that the floozy in GF2 (Deanna Dunn) was Fredo's first wife, and that he was unmarried in GF1. This seems to agree with the novel as well.  Is it possible that you've misidentified some people in GF1 as being Fredo's wife and kids?  For example, look at the top two photos on this page -- http://www.thegodfathertrilogy.com/family.html -- which are from the wedding scene in GF1.  The captions identify the kids as being Tom's and Sonny's, not Fredo's.  Of course this is not an official source and I'm not representing it as such, I'm merely pointing to it as a convenient illustration of what I and other GF fans I know have understood the family relationships to be. Unguts (talk) 03:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

21 Aug 2011 edits
I have cleaned up the following debris:

1) Removed the middle initial "T." Fredo's middle name is never given in any of the Godfather books or movies.  This is probably some fan invention.

2) Removed several nicknames, e.g., "Big Pussy," which were obvious vandalism.

67.32.181.93 (talk) 15:31, 21 August 2011 (UTC)