Talk:Free Cities (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Created this article to cover an area of the books that is detailed and important enought to the plot and general encyclopedic knowledge of the world to rate its own page. I'm planning on later adding "Notable Characters from "City X" to appear in the books for Illyrio, Syrio, Varys, etc. I didn't think that (as of yet) there is anything in the article to warrant a spoiler tag but I'm not opposed to it if others disagree. As always any refinments or additions would be most welcome. NeoFreak 20:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Minor edit to Volantis: Volantis is definitely the southernmost of the Free Cities and the closest to Slaver's Bay (although 'closest' isn't necessarily the same as 'close'; In ASoS Dany indicates that the Free Cities are still thousands of miles from Slaver's Bay), but we do not know if it is the easternmost; that position could lie with Qohor. We should find out the answer to this on the map promised for inclusion from ADwD.--Werthead 12:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Qohori/Qohorik
A person or thing from Qohor is "Qohorik". Are we sure the plural is "Qohori"?Captain Crawdad 16:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Ohhor is next to the Fosest of Qohor which, to the best of my memory, is on the western side of the Dothraki Sea which would make it west of Volantis. I could be wrong so I'll leave it alone pending another opinion. NeoFreak 12:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Qohor is probably well over a thousand miles north of Volantis, so the relationship between the two cities is difficult to determine without a map. All we know about Volantis is that it is on the coast and is on or near the southern edge of the Disputed Lands, and is closer to Slaver's Bay than the other Free Cities. It could be fairly westerly and still fulfil this criteria. It could even be right on the end of the eastern end of the Broken Arm, west of all the other Free Cities, and still be closer to Slaver's Bay than the other cities. In other words...we don't know. ADWD will have a Free Cities map in it which should clear these problems up.--Werthead 14:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Restored Details
I've sort of partially reverted some deletions that were made here because I don't see why some of the deleted details didn't belong here. Was there a particular reason I'm missing? Also, in regards to Tyrosh being "infamous for its avarice", it's noted in the Concordance at westeros.org here: http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Concordance/Concordance12a.html#12.2.7. though I haven't checked to see if the line is just the POV of a character or not. -Captain Crawdad 20:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Taena Merryweather
On p691 in my copy of A Feast for Crows, Taaena's lover is described as a man with a scar and dark hair, about as much description as was given to the Alchemist in the prologue. Any thoughts on a connection to Jaqen H'ghar? Chris02:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Jaqen H'ghar killed Pate and took his place, meeting with Samwell Tarly at the end. Or so we are led to believe. Pejorative.majeure 11:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

There are many men in SOIAF with a scar and many men with dark hair. Fortunately less than the fat inkeeps that populate Jordan's world. JCSeer 05:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Article Title
Why isn't this article at just "Free Cities"? No one else is using the title.. shouldn't we avoid the parenthetical article titles when possible? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.69.160.1 (talk) 19:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

This is simply to allow for less confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timeless91 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

House of Black and White
"The cost of their services depends on the importance and security of the target. The assassination of a king could cost as much as the hiring of an army." This isn't an accurate statement. In the books, it is said that rich or poor, anyone can 'put a hit out' on someone, usually by giving up something dear to them, whether money, or if they had no money, something else. Anyone have a reference for this?

Valar Dohaeris
""valar dohaeris, the meaning of which is "all men must serve."

Can anyone find some evidence for this? I believe the author stated he would reveal the meaning in his upcoming book, so this is simple speculation. And not even the mainstream speculation (That the meaning is "But first they must live")Connington (talk) 02:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)Connington

AFFC Arya POV chapter, p216 in my book - “Then stay. . . but remember, the House of Black and White is not a home for orphans. All men must serve beneath this roof. Valar dohaeris is how we say it here. Remain if you will, but know that we shall require your obedience. At all times and in all things. If you cannot obey, you must depart.” LastRomantic (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Forgive detail loss caused by not having the book in front of me right now - but in addition, when the ship captain who gave Arya passage to Braavos based on her coin and her saying "Valar morghulis" takes his leave of her (e.g., drops her off), he said "I beg you to remember and the service he has rendered you". (gowen, 9/23/2009)

Proposing merge into Across the narrow sea
Proposing to merge this and Ghis back into Across the narrow sea, as I don't see a reason for a separate article based on notability guidelines. Yoenit (talk) 14:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge now done (content as transwikied). Yoenit (talk) 11:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)