Talk:Free reed aerophone

Assessment
Assessed the importance for the WikiProject Musical Instruments as high, as a subject "extremely important to the understanding of the subject, such as major instrument classes..." The free reed is used in a variety of instruments internationally, including Asian mouth organs, Indian Harmoniums, Southeast Asian Sneng (and the variants of the countries surrounding Cambodia), Western Harmonicas and Pump organs. Jacqke (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Classification
I think that free-reed instruments should be classified as blown idiophones, not aerophones. The pitch is determined by the length, stiffness, and thickness of the reed, not by the air. -phma 16:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They're classed as aerophones because most of the sound is produced by the vibrations of the air; the vibration of the reed itself produces a very feeble sound by comparison. --Theodore Kloba 19:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Jew's harp
"The most likely precursor to free reed aerophones is the Jew's harp, an instrument known to many cultures throughout the world, and by many names. In this instrument, the main sound producer is the vibrating reed tongue itself, rather than the air flow."

I do not think this example is appropriate for 4 reasons: (1) the sound production of the Jew's harp is not windblown, but struck. Therefore this is a percussion instrument, not an aerophone. (2) The Jew's harp is not a framed reed; which is why a tone cannot be produced by blowing through it. All free-reeds are framed reeds. (3) The pitches of the Jew's harp are produced by the shape of the player's mouth, not by the size/weight of the reed, and (4) There is no evidence that the Jew's harp is a forerunner of the free-reed.

I think the above sentence should be deleted from this article.

Henry Doktorski —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrydoktorski (talk • contribs) 09:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Since there have been no objections, I have deleted the reference to the Jew's Harp. Henrydoktorski (talk) 01:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with all of the above, but I think there could be some words explaining that a Jew's harp is not a free-reed instrument, just resembles it a little, with maybe a link off to that subject. Friendly Person (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, as someone who's played a mouth harp, the sound is produced by both striking (or really *plucking*; the motion's more like fingerpicking a guitar than playing a kalimba) and by blowing across the already-vibrating metal tongue. It's not an aerophone, but it's also not *not* an aerophone, if you follow. I know of no secondary sources that mark out the steps of an evolution from harp to, like, sheng, but I can see a relationship. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some research out there on this. -grant (talk) 20:30, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Great Scott - a quick look in scholar.google.com immediately brought up this article: |"The Jew's Harp as Aerophone"... which actually puts jew's harp in the free-reed family tree! So, yes, there is something out there. (Apparently, *k'uang* is an ancient Chinese word used in first-century texts |"both for free-reed and for jew's-harp", too.) Might be worth re-examining this issue? -grant (talk) 20:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Operation section
I think the article has suffered from editing rather than improving from it. The operation section seems to be missing some concepts in the explanation, and grammar has also generally been hacked up. I'd like to be bold, but I do not really know the intent of the author of this section. I'm a physicist, but not a musical sound expert.

In the opening line it says: "...the frame surrounds the reed on four sides and cuts the space in an upper and under reed area." I think it may be more clear to say, "cuts the space into areas above and below the reed." The next line makes little sense: "As soon in the area under the reed a negative pressure is created, the reed will start to move." Since we're talking of the Bernoulli Principle, I take the meaning as "air flow under the reed creates a pressure differential between the areas above and below the reed. This causes the reed to begin oscillating." ...or something to that effect.

The illustrations are nice, but the term AR is not explained. The second diagram's caption is not clear to me, but I'm assuming it should say something similar to what I stated above, that is that air flow causes a decrease in pressure under the reed and makes the reed to move downward as a result. - Parsa (talk) 16:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

History
It was Georg_Joseph_Vogler who made free reed very well know in Erope. Kopenhagen was the plece were it stated off with Christian Gottlieb Kratzenstein Mr. Kirsnick was in Kopenhagen bevore he moved to Petersburg. He worked with Kratzenstein and also used free reeds on one portabe organ, as discribed by Rackwitz. Hr. Rackwitz sarted working with Kirsnick in Petersburg in 1782 1788 Georg Joseph Vogler came to Petersburg 1790 Hr. Rackwitz built the first free reed pipes Rotterdam Most of it is naw very well documented on the german wiki page, pleas have a look and put things right.

A lot about it can be found in this book as well, the importent parts is avalabel online: In praise of harmony: the teachings of Abbé Georg Joseph Vogler Von Floyd Kersey Grave,Margaret G. Grave, Publisher: University of Nebraska Press, Pub. Date: March 1988, ISBN-13: 9780803221284 ISBN: 0803221282 Buschman shoud not be mentiond, he made the fist Pysharmonik in the year of 1829. There is not a singel documet even with moden maters of searching the online avalabe musicla letters of his day, that prove that he used free reeds earlyer. I dont want to do it my self, you kow my english is not the best. Best regards, Johann Pascher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpascher (talk • contribs) 20:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * What about Jean Joseph Marie Amiot bringing the first Sheng (instrument) to France from China in 1770? It might be a rival claim, but it seems like it's worth mentioning. grant (talk) 00:37, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

For the origin of the name Aërephone
The origin of the name Aërephone is not given by this article. I assume folowing sources (translated both in french and in English) is a good reference:


 * In french: gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k69764j/f544.image
 * In english: books.google.fr/books?id=IwYVAAAAQAAJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.67.208.69 (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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