Talk:Freedom Front Plus

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a question to somebody with competence: is the VFs (official) goal still the creation of a volkstaat, in other words a secession from south africa? --Severino (talk) 10:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

@leuce: afrikaners constitute about 6% of the population of ZA. the VF got less than 1% in the last elections. so it's clear the bulk of them didn't vote the VF. it's pretty clear that most of them voted for the DA. but as elections are secret, we have no evidence, right. when i find reports about polls or analysis, i'll insert it.--Severino (talk) 17:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Orania?
Would it be worth reporting that the Afrikaner enclave of Orania voted decisively for the Freedom Front Plus (according to the Orania Wikipedia Page)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invmog (talk • contribs) 21:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but this is already mentioned in the article :) Greenman (talk) 21:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Question
I've read through this page a few times, so far. Am I reading this correctly? Is the FF+ a Racialism political movement/party? If so, doesn't that need to be made clear on the page? On top of that, the party sounds like it's either explicity seperatist, or at the very least implied. Honestly, if this page is to be accurate, it needs to be written more carefully and more clearly, because it's currently being written as if this is just like any other political party in the South African political spectrum when it seems to me that it's clearly quite a fundamentalist, racialist (probably even racist) group that holds some pretty extreme views by just about any world standard. --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear CriticalThinker. Could you please elaborate what you mean with "fundamentalist", "racist" in your characterization of the party? To me those words do not have a descriptive value, but are loaded terminology that is designed to smear and incite certain emotions. --41.151.111.206 (talk) 00:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The FF+/VF+ is not really a racist party i'd say (this assessment is a matter of opinion/interpretation probably). It pleads the case of the Afrikaner but does not desire a comeback of apartheid and disfranchisement of black africans (although under it's followers such attitudes might appear scattered). It is loyal to the new (post apartheid) South Africa which makes the difference to all the other right wing afrikaner/white parties/organisations and makes it their foe image. Not least the FF is represented in the current ZA gvt in the person of it's chairman Pieter Mulder who was invited by Pres. Zuma to become Deputy Minister for Agriculture, without a formal coalition agreement. When Mulder accepted, he was criticized by the party's youth wing on the grounds that the ANC stands for the right for abortion and for affirmative action (but not for their anti apartheid past, their multiracial concept and so on). The Volkstaat concept is represented in the FF but it's questionable which weight, which denotation it has.--Severino (talk) 10:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I Agree with Severino, they are trying to create a Volkstaat and are not racist, but just trying to protect Afrikaner values. They are right-wing not because they want to bring back apartheid, but because they hold conservative values. One thing you also have to remember is that most pro-Afrikaner parties call for a Volkstaat in the densley population north-east, around Pretoria and include the reinstatement of the former Boer states. The VF+ call for a Volkstaat in the dry north-west, where Coloureds make a majority. This doesn't show white-supremisism as they are being realistic around the situation. Also, please read up about the AWB, as they are the far-right of South Africa in that they call for War against the SA government for a Volkstaat. The VF+ have always called for peaceful means to establish one. Severino also made a good point about Pieter Mulder. Bezuidenhout (talk) 11:10, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * spin off: it would be worth to evalute the importance the volksstaat idea has for the FF+. one could say that in fact they pursue a policy which sees the future of the afrikaner in a multiracial south africa and the volkstaat idea is more a lip service for parts of their followers. i didn't read statements of their top representants in the last years concerning the volkstaat and also on their hp it doesn't have top priority obviously. instead they seem to play a critical but constructive role, and in an overall ZA context. for example, they reject affirmative action also in sports and strongly oppose interference of politics in sports. after the 2007 world championship victory of the ZA rugby team pieter mulder criticized what he considered political pressure and interference of the ANC gvt and argued that the success of the Springbok team, with (coloured) "Bryan Habana as hero, was worth more for nation-building and good relations than all the talk about quota sides which could lose as long as they were representative." > he went into nation building here rather than afrikaner interests.--Severino (talk) 12:46, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

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VF+ Support for Cape Independence
The VF+ has publicly announced its support for Cape independence, therefore, the "Ideology" tab should include Cape Secession. CapingThroughTheBlue (talk) 15:07, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

"Volkstaat" no longer an ideology of the VF+?
Can the VF+ still be described as supporting the creation of a Volkstaat? It's no longer part of their campaigning, and features nowhere on their website. Volkstaat support is no longer part of any serious political discourse. The Party supports larger self-determination and autonomy for all South Africans, should the 'Volkstaat' ideology thus be replaced with 'Self-determination'? CapingThroughTheBlue (talk) 09:33, 3 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. There is no evidence for the FF+ wanting a Volkstaat now, analysts (https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-05-14-white-anxiety-and-the-rise-of-the-freedom-front-plus/ and https://www.businesslive.co.za/amp/bd/opinion/columnists/2013-09-03-goodbye-freedom-front-plus-and-thanks-for-coming/) say that they no longer do so. They’ve switched to widening their appeal to include Afrikaans speaking Coloureds (https://www.news24.com/news24/opinions/columnists/melanieverwoerd/melanie-verwoerd-is-the-freedom-front-pus-making-the-laager-bigger-20211013) as corroborated by the fact that their deputy WC and leader is coloured Lennit Max as is their premier candidate Peter Marais. Suffy69 (talk) 13:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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