Talk:Freedom Square, Tbilisi

Name of the square during Russian rule
Dear Steelmate, please stop blindly reverting my edits. The square was named after Paskevich who once served as the Viceroy of the Caucasus with his residence at Tbilisi and was bestowed with the title of Count Erivansky. There was a well-established practice to name the squares and streets in the viceregal capitals after Russian viceroys and governors. Your reference say nothing about the origin of the square's name, but only provides its literal (and imprecise) translation from Russian. Hope this helps, --KoberTalk 20:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Dear Kober are you suggesting that Erivan has nothing to do with Yerevan? It is on Pashkecihc's page that references Erivan to Yerevan, please check it out, and let's come to mutual conclusion and avoid the edit wars. Steelmate (talk) 20:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? The title of Graf Erivansky was conferred upon Paskevich due to his capture of Erivan from Iranian army. The square in Tbilisi (which was a viceregal capital) was named after him. What is unblievable in this? Do you really think that a central square in the major provincial capital was named after Erivan which was nothing but a small fortified town in the 1820s? I can give you dozens of references for that, but they are in Georgian and I know for sure you won't believe them. What do you actually want? --KoberTalk 21:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I will need to do investigation. May be you are right and it is only the title of Paskevich that influenced the name. I will get back to you on that. Steelmate (talk) 21:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Renaming the article
According to this Wikipedia rule Naming_conventions : "article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize..." I searched Google News, non of them have hits for "Tbilisi Tavisuplebis Moedani", but many hits for "Tbilisi, Freedom Square". Therefore think the article should be renamed to reflect name known to English speaking readers to "Freedom Square, Tbilisi". Any objections? Steelmate (talk) 18:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Erivan Square vs Erivansky Square
Erivan Square is english name vs Erivansky - is transliteration form russian word, not even georgian. Per wikipedia rule, the english words should be used in english wikipedia, and also search of google books suggest that englsih writers refer to this as Erivan Square. Steelmate (talk) 19:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Have you already researched the subject per your promise or just missed edit warring against "discredited Georgian users" and "warm Georgian hospitality"? --KoberTalk 19:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't change the subject, in both ways, the name in English is Erivan Square. So far you didn;t prove otherwise, and continuing to dicredit yourself even further by making non constructive talks. Steelmate (talk) 20:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe you xenophobic remarks about Georgia and Georgians are more constructive? Ah, I also forgot about 300 CUs filed by me! --KoberTalk 20:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * ? Where exactly did you see xenophobic remarks here or anywhere else? If you see it here I will reply here, if you saw them anywhere else, I will reply on that page. Any way what that has to do with the name of page in english, this is called trolling talk pages on your side... I don't mind as I said you filing cu checks on me, so don't worry about that. Steelmate (talk) 20:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Trolling is what you are doing here. Your preponderance towards edit warring and ethnically-targeted insults testify to that.--KoberTalk 20:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You are pushing baseless georgian POV, and I am resisting, so call it as you want, but please focus on the topic of discussion without doing personal attacks. Steelmate (talk) 20:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * What is "Georgian POV"? That the square was named after a Russian viceroy? As for personal attacks, you've already made plenty of them.--KoberTalk 20:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Dear Kober, if any of my comments you have taken personally please keep in mind it was not the purpose of those. I am sure you know what POV means. Using non english name in english encyclopedia in favor of georgian transliterations is "Georgian POV". Steelmate (talk) 20:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I have not resisted your recent move to Freedom Square and it was not me who had moved the article to a Georgian transliteration. I am sure you know this perfectly well. So, your accusation of "baseless georgian POV pushing" is nothing but a baseless anti-Georgian POV and an unprovoked personal attack.--KoberTalk 20:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You was resisting for the english name Erivan Square, vs georgian trabsliteration Erivansky moedani (or some hybrid that you made Erivansky Square). Anyway, as we are clear on those topics now, I consider discussion is over, and further let's not get things personnaly and do things in interests of Wikipedia. Steelmate (talk) 20:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * "Not get things personnaly"? And how about "further discrediting myself with baseless Georgian POV pushing", "trolling talk pages" and "warm Georgian hospitality"? And, yes, the discussion is over; I much prefer working on CUs articles in the mainspace. --KoberTalk 20:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

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