Talk:Freedom of religion in Iran

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For a January 2005 deletion debate over this page see Votes for deletion/Discrimination against non-Muslims in Iran


 * There was a consensus that the page should be moved/merged OneGuy 02:50, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I urge all members to be on the lookout for OneGuy who has slapped a VFD on all discrimination articles against Islam. Kindly refute this effort by cross voting on all other discrimination pages


 * 1) Discrimination against non-Muslims in Pakistan
 * 2) Discrimination against non-Muslims in Sudan
 * 3) Islam and Mauritanian law
 * 4) Discrimination against non-Muslims in Iran
 * 5) Discrimination against non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia
 * 6) Discrimination against non-Muslims in Afghanistan
 * 7) Discrimination against non-Muslims in Malaysia

We need your votes so this can remain wikiepedia and not become Meccapedia--Malbear 05:54, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

should this article not be merged with Religious minorities in Iran? Refdoc 02:06, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Dispute
anonymous user wrote: ''added "disputed" tag, to the US Department of State article written about Iran. Also this article was brought in here by RK, a well-known zionist'' the anonymous user has a point, this article should probably we rewritten (or merged with Religious minorities in Iran) and not just be a mere copy of a US department article - --Cyprus2k1 10:05, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note. Hope this helps.--Pouya 10:28, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I was not aware that this is basically taken from the US Foreign Office website - is tis not a copyright violations? Even if not - should it not be filed as source in Wikisource rather than lingering here on Wikipedia? Refdoc 23:54, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I can't see why the neutrality of the article is contested. It's nothin new that the Iranian government repress religious minorities especially Baha'is and to a lesser extent Jews. I agree though that the article should be wikified. PMLF 17:57, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

While Iran does suppress religious freedom - no doubt about that - nothing from the current American governemnet relating to Iran will be acceptable as a neutral source of information, will it ? And leaving this aside, this article shoudl be merged into Religious minorities in Iran or shoudl be rewritten into Policy towards religious minorities in Iran. Its current title is POV Refdoc 23:32, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Section on women's status under Iranian Sharia
There's a whole section that deals solely with the status of women under Iranian law here. I've commented it out pending deletion, as I believe it belongs in some other article, like Status of women in Iran. --Skoosh 13:51, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Merge with Religious minorities in Iran?
I agree with Refdoc that this article should be merged into Religious minorities in Iran. Who else is for/against merging? --Skoosh 13:59, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Bahai
It seems doubtful that Bahai is really a religion, but rather a political organization. Can anyone verfy/disprove this? Traditionally, the Bahai were related to be created for political reasons, just like the Wahhabi sect. What I have seen is that the majority view is that it is not recognized as a religion.

-- anon


 * The Bahá'í Faith is indeed a religion, with more than 6 million adherents across the world. The Bahá'í Faith was founded by Baha'u'llah a nineteenth-century Iranian, who claimed to be the fulfillment of Shı’i Muslim prophecies of the coming of the twelfth Imam [5]. Baha'u'llah’s main teaching is the Oneness of Mankind from which the other teachings, such as the equality of men and women, the elimination of prejudice stem. The Bahá'í Faith believes in the prophet-hood of Muhammad and the sacredness of the Quran, but understands differently the wording "Seal of the Prophets" and believes that Baha'u'llah is the current messenger from God, and that messengers of God will continue to come to Earth.  Because of this belief, the Iranian government has the belief that Bahá'í are heretics and has persecuted the 300 000 Bahá'ís that remain in Iran throughout the 20th century.  The accounts of the persecutions have been documented by many third party sources such as the United Nations, European Union and Amnesty International.  The persections have ranged from the imprisonment of Bahá'ís, the confiscation of Bahá'í property, the destruction of Bahá'í holy sites and the denial of higher education to Bahá'í youth.  All of these have been documented as I have mentioned.


 * Iran's government has constantly reported that Bahá'ís are enemies of the state, spies employed by imperialist governments of the West, and Iran has not acknowledged that the Bahá'í Faith is a religion, because if it did, the statement would be an admission that freedom of religion does not apply to all faith communities in Iran. The United Nations, through the Special Rapporteur of Religious Freedom from the early 90's to now, and Amnesty International have stated that there has been no evidence of Iran’s claims, and the Bahá'í community in Iran profess their allegiance to the state and deny that they are involved in any subversive acts against the government.  One of the main tenants of the Bahá'í Faith is to have complete obedience to the government of their country, whereever they reside.


 * I hope this answers your questions, and that you can go to the other pages on Wikipedia or to www.bahai.org for more information. Encyclopedia Brittanica has stated that the Bahá'í Faith is the 2nd most widespread religion in the world, in terms of sizeable communities in different communities, after Christianity.  -- Jeff3000 02:20, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

A full page of lies! Mohaqa 22:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC) mohaqa

Complete obedience. What if it was Apartheid South Africa?

Other Religions
This article says nothing of Hinduism; Buddhism and very little about Sunni Muslims. It is therefore incomplete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.7.229 (talk) 23:00, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

POV
this article reeks of POV. Especially the introduction:

"Iran's religious minorities – including Bahá'ís, Jews, Christians, and Sufi Muslims – reported imprisonment, harassment, and intimidation based on their religious beliefs. At least four Bahá'ís were among those still imprisoned for reasons related to their faith, while eight Jews remained in prison."

come on people this is an encyclopedia not a web blog!

Legal system

 * The legal system discriminates against religious minorities. In 2004 the Expediency Council approved appending a note to Article 297 of the 1991 Islamic Punishments Act, authorizing collection of equal "blood money" (diyeh) for the death of Muslims and non-Muslims. All women and Baha'i men were excluded from the equalization provisions of the bill. According to law, Baha'i blood is considered Mobah, meaning it can be spilled with impunity

The article says the legal system discriminates against religious minorites but doesn't explain how. The only thing that is mentioned above is that Baha'i are basically excluded from any protections since they are not a recognised religious minority but this has already more or less been meantioned earlier and there is no explaination of how the legal system discriminates against other recognised religious minorities Nil Einne 17:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Atheism
This article lakes information about various kind of atheist groups. There is a considerable population of non-religious people in Iran well above the reported statistics, and yet no information in any of the wiki pages about them. Please contribute if you are an expert in the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.15.163 (talk) 22:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Views of the US Government
How is this relevant to this subject. I suggest to remove this section. I don't see the view of Iranian government in any of the articles about religion in the United States. Why should be have the view of US government about religious freedom in Iran, why not the view of Israel on the subject or maybe my cousin's view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.15.163 (talk) 22:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree and this is coming from an American. Why is the U.S's view of religion in Iran relevant to the article? I propose someone delete this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.183.202 (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Views of the U.S. government are relevant because the U.S. is an international leader in the area of human rights. If governments of other countries have important positions on the subject of freedom of religion in Iran, then they can be added in this section and the section title can be changed to "Views of foreign governments". Wideangle (talk) 22:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Rahimi's Comments
I think it is needed to mention Rahimi's comments on Jews that took place during the UNODC conference in Tehran, where he blamed the Talmud for the expansion of illicit drugs, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.143.101.244 (talk) 19:37, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV
I've removed an old POV template with a dormant discussion, per the instructions on that template's page:
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Citation needed
I've removed some doubtful claims with citation needed templates from 2007 (!!). It's too long time, and article itself reflects US government report and had many obivously wrong datas. --109.165.168.213 (talk) 04:40, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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