Talk:Freeform (TV channel)

Untitled
Is it true Blossom and MMC ('90s version) are coming to the network or just another vandal posting crap? If it's true, I would die of joy!

Why is this page a re-direct to a ghost link?? 66.32.142.19 22:13, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This needs a complete rewrite in a new point of view, because the first writer didn't take into account that this network was CBN, then The Family Channel, for about fifteen years before Fox or ABC got involved with it. I mean, it wasn't THAT long ago. Mike H 02:10, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

explaining revert
The fact that this entity is owned by the Walt Disney Company and ABC is mentioned in the article and in the article's catigorization. Therefore, the see also section is unnecessary. Gentgeen 06:05, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Closed Captions
I am hard of hearing. Most of your shows are not closed caption and I would like to know why. I have two kids and I like to watch the movies with my kids but I can't enjoy it when I can't hear it or read it. Would you please put in the closed caption so I can watch this channel.

My friend, are you deaf? My neighbor is almost deaf and I can hardly understand a word he says. Anyway, I'm sorry. Try another channel. 71.111.209.99 13:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Uh...this website is not affiliated with the TV station and we therefore have no say over the Closed Captioning choices it makes. This is an encyclopedia article about the channel. -- ʀ6ʍ ɑ  ʏ89  03:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Longtime Movies ?
I don't understand what this section is for. Is it a list of movies that are regularly aired on the network, or just a partial list of films that have ever been broadcast on it? If the latter I can't see that it deserves to stay. Also it isn't clear which Chocolate Factory movie is meant to be linked to.--ThreeAnswers 07:09, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It is very confusing. I think that we should only list ABCFamily's original movies on it (movies that were first aired on abcfamily).  That would be like 3 of those listed plus a few others (there's a full list on their site). I'll get to doing this later today if no one else does. -- ʀ6ʍ  ɑ  ʏ89  13:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The Chocolate Factory movie ABC Family holds is the 1971 musical.

Sign-off
JawToons.com has a whole page of sign-off clips from several stations in the southeast and mid-atlantic. You can find it here.

I found a sign-off of the Family Channel (when it was called "The CBN Family Channel") from 1989. Actually, it's a one-hour "weekly scheduled maintenance." Check out the montage clip with the theme "Together We're Family!" Click here for a direct link to the ASF (Windows Media) file.

Oh yeah, and if you want to comment on this video you can. Mattderojas 02:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

The Channel's Future?
Sheesh, after reading the article, I have to wonder what's going to eventually become of this channel. They're discontinuing Jetix, but what does that mean for weekend programming (at least)? Isn't Disney ever going to elaborate on this?

One thing is certain, if this channel gets sold again, it had better not go to 4Kids...

Heh, just about anyone would be better than FOX. You should have seen what they did to the network eight years ago... it was a total mess! When Pee-Wee's Playhouse is your network's most entertaining series, you know something's wrong with it! --M.Neko 13:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Why, what did they do? Mattderojas 01:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Very good question, indeed. However, they currently have programming on 2 networks. Incidentally, I'm pulling off The Hogan Family from the list of reruns. 71.111.216.239 19:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think every weekend the Harry Potter films are shown over and over and over and over... Japanimation station (talk) 17:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Invalid Links
Who keeps adding links to items that don;t even have pages? Like in hte original programming section, it was fine and now there a re ugly red links to NOWHERE!!!

The Hogan Family
What's The Hogan Family?
 * Visit The Hogan Family --Caldorwards4 03:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

What is the name of this show?
I remember there being a show on ABC family and I don't think it is listed in the past shows.. it was about a Jewish family and this girl went to Catholic school and made friends with a very materialistic girl.. what is the name of it?

State of Grace it was on back when it was Fox Family

Movies swapping networks; Sony Family Network?
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On January 2007, Disney's Buena Vista and News Corp's 20th Century Fox will haul their movies from ABC Family to Superstation WGN, In other direction, Sony's Columbia Pictures will haul their movies from Superstation WGN to ABC Family. After Spring 2007, Disney sells ABC Family to Sony. Sony signed ABC Family will become Sony Family Network.

Just wanted to clear this up: is this just crap or unproven fact? Probably the former. --  M  (speak/spoken) 02:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It's crap. I've dealt with this vandal before. -- Gridlock Joe 13:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Please Confirm...
I've seen a lot of stuff mentioning future programming for ABC Family, but the only one with anything confirmed is My Wife and Kids. Confirmation for the others (ex.: Blossom would be helpful in proving this isn't a junk edit.

WAVY 10 23:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Keeping the article clean and useful
DO NOT EVER return invalid links, the red links all over the page, only link something if you know FOR SURE it has it's own page, or add the page and link it, didn’t anyone notice all the red in the original movie section, my god, it was too much. Also, I made a separate article for programming; don't make the list on this page so long, if you have to do it, do it on the other page List of programs shown on ABC Family.

Harry Potter on ABC Fam
Anyone find it ironic that ABC Family occasionally shows the Harry Potter movies, at the same time Pat Robertson denounces them as evil on 700 Club? Wl219 23:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That's what he gets for selling the channel. I agree with Pat on that, but since he sold it (and the original recipent; Fox, has since sold it to Disney), I would think he has NO control over programming whatsoever. WAVY 10 15:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Here we go again...
Look what just got added again..

Blossom (Summer 2007) MMC ('90s version) (1989-1994 Season) (Fall 2007)

WAVY 10 13:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Article organization
I made many good changes to the article about one month ago, but still, the continuing problem is programming, so I think whoever moved the programming to the programming page made a really good decision. Also, I added a link to the programming page; it seemed to have been erased in the shuffle. Does anyone else think the history section is too long? 53180 03:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)53180

Future Programming
Can someone verify for us if it was ever announced that Blossom and The All-New MMC were being picked up by ABC Family??? I'm assuming by now that the person was falsifying.

Fillmore!
On TV.com, it states that Fillmore! is goin' 2 air on ABC Family weekdays@3pm. Is that ture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Comedian (talk • contribs) 23:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope. More fan speculation (didn't we have this problem about 6-7 months ago with the Blossom and 1990s MMC edits) WAVY 10 Fan 22:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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History
The Family Channel and Fox Family need to be added to its history. 76.126.15.78 (talk) 23:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone thought it would be a better idea to give the history of the network prior to its own incarnation a separate article and remove it from here (which I disagree with the latter). WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 21:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Christmas in July
Christmas in July was a programming block that aired on the previous Fox Family Channel. Shouldn't that be listed somewhere? --24.252.94.115 (talk) 19:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

25 Days of Christmas
The link below the heading of "25 Days of Christmas" and above the paragraph that talks about the "25 Days of Christmas" says that there is a main page for the "25 Days of Christmas" but the link also says that the page doesn't exist. Should the link be deleted or should either the page be created or the link fixed to go to the actual page, if there is one? Gibsonj338 (talk) 16:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Slogan
"A new kind of family?" "A new kind of this, a new kind of that, etc."

It's been four years now, I think Disney needs to re-make this channel a wee bit better. Also, seems to share problem with The N. Japanimation station (talk) 17:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Umm?!
The slogan is still "A New Kind of Family" visit they haven't changed it yet I think it's cause they're still a new kind of family 75.58.186.240 (talk) 04:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Reasons For Disclaimer
No source was given to justify the claim that it was spurred by discussions of "Abortion" "feminists" or "gays". Disney knew Robertson's stance on those matters when they purchased the channel. Robertson hasn't said anything new on them (unlike his unprecedented call for the assassination of Chavez).

Evidence of Disney Channel's AD))) mark on ABC Family programming
Is there any documentation on what the the AD))) mark on Disney Channel means and any evidence seen of an AD))) mark on ABC Family programming? CARS FOR ME (talk) 22:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in ABC Family
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Reference named "fp-corusdisney": From Disney Channels Worldwide:  From Disney Channel (Canada):  

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Shows cancelled
So there are some ABC Family shows that are probably cancelled. I'm talking about Freak Out, Becoming Us, Job or No Job, Next Step Realty: NYC and Startup U. None of them appears on Freeform's press website. Maybe they won't even talk about them, because of the name change. What do you think? Should we consider them cancelled? Fansdisney (talk) 23:11, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

TGIF shows deleted
I deleted the following excerpt from the main article:

"Since 2000, the network has aired several sitcoms that have aired on ABC's former TGIF block, including the Miller-Boyett produced Step by Step (one of the longest-running shows on the channel, running from 2001 to 2010), Family Matters (which ran from 2003 to 2008), Two of a Kind (which ran from 1999 to 2005), Sabrina, the Teenage Witch (which ran from 2006 to 2011), 8 Simple Rules (which ran from 2007 to 2014), and Full House (which ran from 2003 to 2013); Boy Meets World is the only TGIF show that currently airs on the network."

as none of these shows air on Freeform nor are they listed on the website. Rricci428 (talk) 07:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


 * And why could they not be kept in the ABC Family section instead? –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 12:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

It has to drop BMW since the show is on DVD and due to the dummies photo,  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.54.189.22 (talk) 11:40, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 July 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )  10:21, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

– Per WP:NATURAL, I am trying to distinguish between this TV channel and the radio format. I really do not know how to explain my intentions the right way, but I feel as if this article titling format would work out best. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:2DC9:63F9:6391:2DD (talk) 14:36, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Freeform (TV channel) → Freeform
 * Freeform (radio format) → Freeform radio
 * Freeform → Freeform (disambiguation)
 * Oppose there doesn't appear to be an absolute meaning of freeform In ictu oculi (talk) 15:00, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I don't believe there's a primary topic for the term. — MRD 20  14  19:12, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I do not see any WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Narky Blert (talk) 12:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


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Requested move 15 April 2022



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No consensus to move. After much-extended time for discussion, there is no consensus for a move at this time. BD2412 T 23:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Freeform (TV channel) → Freeform (TV network) – Per Manual of Style/Television, the text of this article should describe it as a television network not a channel - its a distinction because the article is about the business entity which produces the content stream. "Television channel" is somewhat outdated terminology in that a channel is the customer-facing output - as in a virtual number assigned by TV provider, which can vary. (TV network) is the standard disambiguator per WP:NCBC. -- Netoholic @ 08:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This is related to (and, frankly, a rebuttal to) an RfC in progress, Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (broadcasting). I'd prefer that no decision be made on moving this page while that RfC is active. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 07:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


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Requested move 16 September 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 16:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

– After the initial move request for this idea five years ago, it has become clear that none of the subjects on the disambiguation page are directly called "Freeform" except this one. Therefore, per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, I am requesting this page be moved to its main namespace as simply "Freeform". JE98 (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Freeform (TV channel) → Freeform
 * Freeform → Freeform (disambiguation)
 * Oppose. I agree with the commenters at the 2017 RM that there is no primary topic. Being the only exact title match does not automatically make something primary. 162 etc. (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No primary topic here. A freeform role-playing game, for instance, is very often referred to simply as a freeform. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:48, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Should we list Freeform as defunct on Spectrum?
This goes for the other channels no longer carried by Spectrum. Should August 31, 2023 be listed in the info box for Freeform, Disney Junior, Disney XD, etc. as the shutdown date for these channels for Spectrum viewers? The main historical precedents for this are how the articles for Soapnet and Nickelodeon Games and Sports for Kids have two shutdown dates listed. Soapnet has March 22, 2012 listed for the providers that replaced it with Disney Junior, and December 31, 2013 for the providers that kept Soapnet until its official closure. Nickelodeon Games and Sports for Kids has December 31, 2007 listed as its closure date for most providers, where it was replaced with The N, with April 23, 2009 listed as the closure date for Dish Network.

For examples outside of the United States, we need to look no further than the international Disney Channels, as while not inside the info box itself, the articles for Disney Channel (Australia) and Disney Junior (Australia) mention the closure of these networks on Foxtel, and thus most of their viewers on March 1, 2020, two months before they were shuttered on Fetch TV.

So, with these examples in mind, should we add August 31, 2023 as the closure date on Spectrum for Freeform, alongside the other Disney owned networks removed from Spectrum on that date that were not restored? The historical precedent for such an edit is there, and it isn't like Spectrum is a small, niche pay television provider either, thus representing a large amount of Freeform's viewers. SpinelFan64 (talk) 19:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


 * One provider ending a network's distribution can be noted with one sentence. The infobox is not for this purpose and this is a lot different than the oddball situations involving channel transitions that were extended due to factors not known to the average viewer; the networks are otherwise available on most other providers, and if and when Freeform is wound down, that's the only date to be used in the infobox. Also, the programming remains widely available through Hulu and Disney+, which is where most viewers had transitioned to anyways.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * But what about the prior listen examples of shutdown dates for specific providers on articles for Soapnet, Nickelodeon Games and Sport for Kids, Disney Channel (Australia), and Fox Reality Channel? If there wasn't a historical precedent for the edits I would understand your revisions, but I stated that there were prior instances of multiple closure dates listed. Should we only include the final shutdown date for those channels, which is what happened to Fox Reality Channel's article? And the programming remaining available on streaming is an unrelated moot point that serves no point in this discussion. SpinelFan64 (talk) 03:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The major difference was those transitions were all pre-Peak TV when the programming on the former network slot had nowhere to go and was shoved into the vault. Here the programming isn't going anywhere and is all found elsewhere, so there's no need to note when a provider stopped carrying it in the infobox.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 22:49, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That argument doesn't even make sense. I legitimately do not believe streaming is an excuse for not showing the dates. Your argument is streaming-centric when streaming is irrelevant. I do see you making a case for removing the dates for the Soapnet, Nickelodeon Games and Sports for Kids, and Disney Channel (Australia) articles however, for navigability reasons. Either way, I don't believe the mere existence of streaming services should determine whether or not a service-specific closure date should be listed, as has been done so in the past. SpinelFan64 (talk) 03:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The networks are still widely available on other providers, and unless it's a true national provider like the VMPDs and Dish/DirecTV, your choice in provider is determined by where you live, and for many people, Spectrum isn't anything they know at all because they have a completely different company they can get television from (or get it from a local cooperative). I can make the case for keeping the previous notes as those are national providers; Spectrum is not.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)