Talk:Freestyle Music Park

Not A Project of Hard Rock Cafe
Hard Rock Park is being developed by a company whose only affiliation with Hard Rock Cafe is licensing. The company that will own the park is not Hard Rock, they're just paying for rights to use the name and theme. I corrected this.129.71.238.253 15:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)CB 11-16-06

While fixing the links so there would be few if any redirects, I discovered this had not been corrected under Hard Rock Cafe. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Photo Possibility
I have some personal photos of the construction site of Hard Rock Park. Are there any objections to its inclusion in the article? (I will not upload the file until someone responds) (Coasterman1234 02:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC))
 * No objections, I think it'll really help the article's qualtiy.YankeeDoodle14 04:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely post these pictures. I'm quite interestedWgfcrafty (talk) 06:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Bankruptcy
According to the official website, they are apparently declaring Chapter 11. They have closed for "reorganization" but claim that they intend to open again for the Spring 2009 season. If this is notable, maybe someone should add it? I am dreadful at this Wiki stuff... 65.184.233.16 (talk) 11:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * They changed their bankruptcy to Chapter 7 today and will be liquidating their assets. The article does say this now.  You're right; it's definitely notable... and I can't think of a bigger amusement park flop in recent memory.  In case you'd like more information on it, I found out by reading forum threads at Discover Myrtle Beach and Theme Park Review. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 03:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I am updating the page with info on the park's decline and bankruptcy taken largely from those two sites actually. There is a lot of good sourcing available on what drove the park to bankruptcy, so I figured it was a good section to have. Please improve it as you feel compelled. Bullzeye contribs 01:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And without delay (or bothering to consult the talk page), it was promptly removed by User:Rtphokie as "poorly referenced material from a blog". I'm re-adding the content, for two reasons: 1)there are several Myrtle Beach Sun-Times articles, most notably this one, that the first part is fully referenced from, and 2)in regards to the part re: the coasters being shut down, I will change the story to reflect the ride's 3-week shutdown (which is verifiable by both guest reports and comments from the park) and the park's officially stated reason, which was "We're waiting for a software fix from the ride manufacturer.", a claim that Screamscape says means exactly what they are reporting. I'm not trying to give Screamscape undue credence, but I don't think mentioning the report would violate WP:RS. Bullzeye contribs 07:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I also added 4 new references and inline cites, including one that confirmed that the park WAS, actually, deeply in debt to Premier Rides and just about everybody else throughout the entire summer, had been engaged in a "dispute" with them over the payment schedule that (curiously) occurred during the same period the rides were down, at the end of which Premier was paid ~$200,000 in overdue fees around the end of the first week of September, which is, curiously, when Maximum RPM and Slippery When Wet came back on without any announcement or explanation from the park. In any case, one can draw whatever conclusions they choose but the financial data seems to corroborate the story. Bullzeye contribs 09:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it should be noted that the park was poorly-attended in part, also, because it was just plain bad. Scouring the review sites, it's overwhelmingly negative. I attended myself while it was Hard Rock, and it was so bad, we left, and they actually had people at the gates asking people not to leave. --67.209.5.226 (talk) 18:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The rides still exist right?
seems the ride descriptions are written as if the rides no longer exist. Is this common for closed amusement parks? harlock_jds (talk) 23:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Some weren't, but for now everything should be treated as history--and left in place as a historical record. It's up to the new owners as to whether the rides and attractions will stay. For now, I've changed all the verb tenses to past until we know exactly wehat will be there. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 16:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Opening in 2008
I was doing some rearranging, now that Hard Rock Park is history, and I was left with only one sentence on the opening. I know I read article after article in The Sun News about this park and its opening. It seemed like the day would never get here.

Is there some way to get to those articles and add more detail, without having to pay? Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 16:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Separating the article into parts
I hope my vision is acceptable to everyone. Someone else was editing at the same time I was and I got "edit conflict" a lot, but I think I put the other person's contributions back, where they fit with my vision.

The article is it now stands has one major section for its Hard Rock Park history, divided into subsections and sub-sub-sections. I debated about how to handle the dividing into sections and finally concluded all history prior to today belongs under one heading. The article is now in order with the beginnings (obviously in need of expansion), details about the name (even though someone decided recent developments with the name belonged at the top rather than at the end), attractions from the Hard Rock era, then the end of Hard Rock Park and the details of how today's events came to be.

Someone devoted a section to the current logo but it was linked, not downloaded. I don't have any idea how to put images on the site, so someone needs to do that.

And to think I have no interest in rock and roll or actually visiting this park. But the Waccamaw complex was one of my favorite places to go. So I hope the park is successful and that someone will include the part of the mall closest to 501 as part of the park. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The move was the right idea, wasn't it?
I didn't think there'd me much point in an article about a park that lasted a year, and the new park hasn't been around long enough to have a significant article.

I'll leave Tboneterrence to do whatever he/she wants. I've done enough for one day, and I just hope none of my work gets messed up. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with the move. Coaster1983 (talk) 21:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I saw a Sun News article online that said 81 percent of those surveyed hated the name. I hope I wasn't premature, then. It was a straw poll so inappropriate for the article. Had it been scientific, I would have included this. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 16:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to miss the guitar
Not that I ever saw it, except in the newspaper. And I don't even like rock music. But I hope someone can provide a photo of the guitar to use in the article. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

the big kites in the water are the best kite show ever... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.153.146.249 (talk) 02:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Historical information
How should this be handled?

I saw that someone had replaced the section on the Led Zeppelin roller coaster with inappropriate text about The Time Machine. I feel that any historical information about the old Hard Rock Park should be kept as is in the "Hard Rock Park" section of the article. Any new rides should be covered in the "Freestyle Music Park" section. Obviously, a lot of old rides will be kept and we have to figure out a way to do that. But I'm in favor of preserving the historical background of the old park.

What I did was revert the edit when I put the details of The Time Machine in the "Freestyle Music Park" section. I didn't see the popint in moving text that was inappropriately written anyway, but I did use most of that text in the Led Zeppelin - The Ride article when I described that ride's fate. I don't know whether to move that article to the new name The Time Machine (roller coaster) or leave it as is, starting a new article about the new coaster. I would appreciate advice on how to deal with that, especially since we have to deal with whether the other attractions will either close, get renamed, or continue as is. Frankly, I've never riden a roller coaster and have no desire to, and the closest I come to liking Led Zeppelin is Robert Plant's duets with Alison Krauss and possibly The Honeydrippers' "Sea of Love." I repeat, the only reason I care about this place is that I used to enjoy the outlet mall.

Speaking of which, I have yet to remember to look for the Sun News articles about preparations for the original opening, and the opening itself. So that part of the article really continues to be deficient. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I also favor preserving the history of Hard Rock Park. I propose that the current Hard Rock Park section be renamed History. The attractions sub-section would be moved to its own section.  The ride names would be changed to the new names.  However, the old names would still be included.  For example, the first sentence for The Time Machine would read like the following:


 * The Time Machine, formally known as Led Zepplin-The Ride, is a steel roller coaster set to the music of the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s.


 * As for the article names of the roller coasters, I would move or create articles with the new names. Most of the changes on these coaster will be cosmetic in nature.  The layout of coasters will not change.  Thus, two articles for the same ride is not needed. Historical information about the ride in the HRP era would be included in the article's history section

The park is open
I kept waiting for someone to do something. Finally, Hockeychris66 renamed all the attractions, but he/she shouldn't have done it in the Hard Rock Park section.

I reverted the changes and made a note of some other changes I didn't know about elsewhere. But then I realized in most of the cases, it was mainly the name of the ride or the attraction that had changed. Which is why the original owners are suing, and I'm following up on this as The Sun News gives more details. I could move all the current attractions to their own section now, couldn't I? And I could restore what Hockeychris said.

I thought about it and chickened out three times before I finally took a bold step. One problem is that I don't know what's there now. I haven't gotten a response back from Hockeychris, but what I'm going to do is assume that I can move everything but those attractions with a specific Hard Rock theme or those attractions whose changes or deletion that have not been specifically mentioned in The Sun News or by anyone who has edited the article.

Yes, there will be mistakes. I've been waiting for the rest of you to say what's actually happening at the park now. Hockeychris has given me the most help. If I do anything wrong please go ahead and fix it. Just try to leave the Hard Rock section pretty much as is. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Park sued
See the link under "External links". I couldn't find a way to separately link to just the guitar photo without the article on a lawsuit. Does anyone thing this lawsuit is significant enough for the article?

I'm thinking no. It's not like the other problems which actually shut the park down and threatened its very existence. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 14:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Definitely not notable, because here's a comment from the newspaper's web site: "This issue with Brandon advertiseing should have never made it to the media and should have been resolved in 'private.'"

Someone else called it free publicity, though the comment was made that it was negative publicity. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 14:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Start-class?
I think this has gone way beyond that. It's not Featured quality or even good quality, but I just noticed that category. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 14:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

October update
Rockster09 certainly worked hard and I tried to keep an open mind about the changes. There were a few grammar and spelling errors in these changes that HAD to be fixed.

On the other hand, the article had minor grammar and spelling problems too, which Rockster fixed.

I put back the Banana Splits attraction as a former attraction (assuming that is the case). I've said from the beginning of my contributions here that whatever was in the park needed to be preserved.

I'll assume the right decision was made on removing some negative stuff about Hard Rock Park. The article was kind of lengthy and maybe those details weren't needed.

The new Freestyle Park is still having problems related to the bankruptcy, and I felt the details of the name change and intellectual property rights needed to be restored for that reason.

I felt the changes in names of attractions needed to be with the old and new names, but perhaps that wasn't the right way to do it. The information is all there if you know where to look.

I found proof of the Rockettes being here! They didn't belong in this article after all but I put the information and the source where they needed to be. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:00, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Public tax dollars
Why is there not a section about using tax dollars to help build this. This was a huge failure for South Car. Chamber of Com. and the state. Also they forced the Pavillion closed to justify the building with tax dollars this horrible park. Some one should look into this and add it to the page. 66.153.149.159 (talk) 18:37, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Video about the park
I don't think this belongs in the article. Any disagreement?— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:05, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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