Talk:Fremont, California/Archive 1

Population and Sister City Question
How did Fremonot's population become 243,000? As of 1/1/2006, the Official website of Fremont (http://www.fremont.gov/Business/Demographics/Population.htm) says that Fremont has a population of only 210,158.

That estimate sounds reasonable. I've seen Fremont City limit signs reading 220,000, most likely to preempt the expected growth. Others have been as low as 180,000 - which are most likeley old ones. RMartinez

Also, Fremont has more sister cities than listed, also according to the official city website. Here it is: (http://www.fremont.gov/AboutFremont/SisterCities/default.htm). Just to notice, the city of Elizabeth is absent in this list.

Okay, no more trumping your alma mater, people, as that is very unobjective and alienates one school apart from the others.

Amazing profusion of links
Does the vast cloud of California links at the bottom of the page really add anything? I'd vote for removing them. While links to subjects like earthquakes and California history might make sense, does anyone looking at the Fremont page really want to see links to Santa Barbara or Carmel? -- Alison Chaiken 14:44, 6 September 2005 (UTC) (also known accidentally as 64.142.50.224)

It's my understanding that the footer is standardized for all cities, counties and regions in California. Look at the other pages linked to by it and you'll see the same templates. While it may be argued that the templates could stand to be trimmed down, that is a discussion more for the templated pages themselves rather than the individual pages that use them. I favor leaving the footer, in order to conform with the standard set forth by the other California cities pages. --Magicmat 05:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * In that case, I simply propose that we remove Template:California, which is extremely busy and is liable to be of help to no one. Alison Chaiken 05:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Upper Class?
I think this is disputable term; it's almost certainly an irrelevant one. Most people think of upper class as the "leisure" class, needing only to manage existing financial assets rather than to generate sufficient revenue on an ongoing basis to support themselves. My understanding is that MSJ area is populated to roughly 60-70% by first generation Asian families, many of whom are engineers or business people, who relocated during the past 15 years. I'm sure some individual families are genuinely wealthy, but I'd hesitate strongly at characterizing the whole area as upper class!

Further, there's really not a concept of "landed gentry" vs. "peasantry" for which the term "upper class" would make sense. The "middle class" was a term used to distinguish the existence of merchants back when that was new.

I think it might be more useful to put in information about home values, or something more historical or sociological if you're trying to document racial and economic tensions among the districts.

Alison Chaiken 16:25, 19 September 2005 (UTC): I agree that the article would be stronger without the sentence that contains "upper class." The sentence is a bit unencyclopedic.

Music
I propose that the "music" section be deleted. There are not enough details to make the comments interesting and all the links are to unlikely, non-existent articles. Why shouldn't we consider this spam? Alison Chaiken 05:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Sister Cities?
"Fremont is the sister city to Elizabeth, South Australia." How is it a sister city? Can someone explain this to me? 24.6.46.106 (talk) 04:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Back in 4th grade, when I attended Weibel, I remember the teacher talking about how we were sister cities with Elizabeth, and we named Lake Elizabeth in tribute to that city. Cerealchan 08:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * We are also sister city to some random city in Japan--see the ACLibrary; it's in one of the conference rooms. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 02:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Demographics
Does MSJ really have a higher Asian population than Warm Springs? I don't know where to look this information up. Alison Chaiken 16:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if it didn't, I'm 99% sure it does now. MSJ (the high school) is approximately 67% Asian, according to a recent Smoke Signal (school newspaper) poll. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 02:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that a Smoke Signal poll is a good way to back up this fact. In addition, while Mission San Jose might be a very Asian area, it doesn't mean that Warm Springs isn't even more Asian. It'd be nice to see an official city link or something. 06:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC) Edit of the last comment, it cites a Census although it doesn't link. (this was me) Decafpenguin 06:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Afghan population / "Little Kabul"

 * Fremont is the home to the largest concentration of Afghans in the United States.[citation needed]

I'm not sure if this passes for a reliable source or not? Opinion piece? --Phvzzy (talk) 18:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that's a fine RS, which happens to contain contrary statements of opinion as quotes from named sources. It should probably be used for both the Demographics and Centerville sections.--Hjal (talk) 20:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Niles Canyon and Mission Boulevard
"Despite the beautiful rural nature of the Niles Canyon, CalTrans (the California Department of Transportation) has plans to put a superhighway though it in the next 10-20 years. It would connect I-880 and I-680. Fremont voted down Route 238, a connector road, that would have gone between I-880 and Mission Boulevard at the base of the Niles Canyon. The Mission / Niles Canyon intersection was just reworked into to 6 lanes in three directions, in preparation."

I don't believe that there are any existing plans to put a highway through Niles Canyon. Citation please? Nor do I believe that this whinge about Caltrans belongs in an encyclopedia article. The point of the article is to introduce basic facts about Fremont, not start arguments about local politics. I believe that the paragraph should be deleted. The Niles section is disproportionately long anyway. Alison Chaiken 08:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Discussion and decision-making for the 880-238 portion has been underway for a long time, ...
 * SR 84. A freeway extension of SR 84 to Mission Boulevard was identified as a project to be funded by local sales tax funds. Much of the right-ofway for such an extension has been reserved for many years. However, concerns about the impact of a freeway have prompted the City to recommend the consideration of alternatives for the route, including the possibility of no road in the historic alignment, or the development of a “parkway” rather than a freeway. The historic alignment of SR 84 between Decoto Road and Mission Boulevard is shown on Figure 8-8 as “Transportation Corridor.” [City of Fremont General Plan Transportation Element (PDF)]
 * ... but no active plan exists for a "superhighway" along the 238-680 (Niles Canyon) portion -- and who would ever favor such a thing? Michael Patrick 21:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Education, what about Robertson?
Is Robertson part of MVAL? I remember we had a Co-ed Volleyball team "The Rebels" but I don't know if we competed with other regular Highschools or other continuation schools. Being it Co-ed I'd guess it wasn't part of MVAL, but I'm not sure.

I wanted to add Robertson to Education as a High school but wasn't sure how it fitted into the MVAL. I put it into the IRvington section though, not sure if I did it right so if someone wants to fix it that's cool.

http://www.ci.fremont.ca.us/Community/Schools/HighSchools.htm
 * I don't know; our badminton team never played them. Maybe that's because Robertson doesn't have a badminton team? But I never saw them during my time on track and field, either. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 02:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyrighted image
Isn't the Image:Fremont_Region.jpg that User:Schonhaut has added copyrighted? If so, it must be removed. Alison Chaiken 15:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Mission Peak
Uh,   I grew up in Fremont; Mission peak is NOT the highest in the region. Monument is higher as are other, further away peaks. Lame supposition. Turkeylips 01:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Turkeylips


 * Monument actually lies in Milpitas, if I am correct. -- Sukh17  T •  C  •  E 17:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Crime&Environmental Factors
Taken out because the crime section is too short, too random, and totally out of place. Someone could add a "culture" section and include that information within, as we all know Fremont has a very diverse community :) The bit about the sound pollution I merged with Transportation, as it wouldn't fit anywhere else. Fremont is great :) .onion 01:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Constituent Towns and Neighborhoods
In the interest of historical purity, I would not list Little Kabul as one of the constituent towns. Ardenwood is not listed either although Ardenwood Farm and the Patternson Ranch have a fair amount of historical significance to Fremont.
 * I agree; Little Kabul is not an official neighborhood. You could take that section and place it under whichever neighborhood it is actually located in. Same with Ardenwood. .onion 21:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

There is also presumably a connection to Leland Stanford, governor of California and founder of Stanford University. The story is that Stanford in Warm Springs, and would have established the university there. But his son died there, and for that reason, his wife did not want to put the university there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.2.54 (talk) 01:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Train noise
When coming to Fremont Consider Train noise at night.... http://www.utu.org/worksite/detail_news.cfm?ArticleID=38358 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.252.246 (talk) 22:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Arts and culture section and other expansion?
I just happened on Fremont Symphony Orchestra and, after finding no sensible place to mention it in the article, it suggested to me that this article should be expanded per WikiProject Cities/Guideline. Economy and Parks and recreation look like good additions, too.--Hjal (talk) 06:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

94539 zip code
Just so you guys know, Mission San Jose and Warm Springs share the 94539 zip code. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.201.4 (talk) 01:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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Warm Springs part of Fremont?
Is the Warm Springs district really part of Fremont? On the 880 you don't even get to Alameda County for several miles north of Dixon Landing Road, which I thought was part of Warm Springs. (In California city boundaries cannot extend over county lines.) --Trovatore (talk) 19:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats incorrect. Alameda County actually starts almost exactly at the Dixon Landing exit when you're driving north on 880. As soon as you pass the Dixon Landing exit, you're 'in Fremont'. Warm Springs is a district of Fremont. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.39.108.115 (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Remove Baseball Park Info?
Seeing as how this has basically become a non-event, this section will have to be relegated to a footnote, if not deleted entirely. Spencer (talk) 07:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Fremont, California
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Structure
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 16:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Edited the term "freed black male slave"
I found the description of the freed black man who founded Irvington as a "freed black male slave" dehumanizing - it privileges his "slave-ness" over his "man-ness." I replaced it with the somewhat clumsy, "freed former slave black man." Take a crack at it if you think it can be less clumsy.


 * Hi! Slavery, in and of itself, is dehumanizing.  However, the statement is accurate, and I don't find it giving any more emphasis to his former condition (slave) than it does to his sex (male).  I understand your point, but it's an accurate statement, and is not said in a pejorative way.  I've reverted your change, since it is (as you yourself pointed out, very awkward).  I can't think of a more succinct description of this individual's status, which covers all three descriptions of him: he was a freed slave who was male and black. You could drop the "black", however that ties into the temporary name of the town later in the article. If other editors can think of a better descriptor phrase, which includes those three items, and isn't awkward, I wouldn't mind it being changed, but until then, I think we should leave it as it is. Onel5969 (talk) 22:40, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Interwiki
I don' see any interwiki-links. I checked wikidata base – everything is OK. Anyone knows why links do not appear? --Gruznov (talk) 08:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi - Not sure what you mean. The article has both the links to other languages (in the left margin), and the links to sister projects (in the External Links section at the bottom).  Onel 5969  TT me 12:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I suppose it was a temporary bug. Now I see the links to other languages too :) --Gruznov (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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Pronunciation
Is it pronounced "Fre-mont" or "Free-mont"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:D0:373C:6200:1D7B:7E28:84A4:1D19 (talk) 20:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)