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(list of) communes of French Polynesia
There is no list of communes of French Polynesia. French Polynesia is also not mentioned in the article Commune in France nor in the article Lists of communes of France. Do the communes in French Polynesia have some kind of special status and are not mentioned because of that?

In the French-language Wikipedia, there is already a collection (although not a list) of communes in French Polynesia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communes_de_Polyn%C3%A9sie_fran%C3%A7aise.

Here is also a list (the numbers in this list coincide with the list in the French-language Wikipedia): http://www.statoids.com/ypf.html.

Yet another list (with missing numbers): http://www.world-gazetteer.com/wg.php?x=1126512541&men=gcis&lng=en&gln=xx&dat=32&srt=npan&col=aohdq&geo=-169.

-- Citylover 08:16, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Chinese in French Polynesia?
What type of Chinese is predominant in French Polynesia? I am under the impression that it is Hakka, but am unsure. The Jade Knight 08:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Haka communes
Chinese speakers in french Polynesia refer to themselves as Haka (and have relatives in Canton) but some speak the language and have relatives in Hong kong

The concept of commune is largely artificial in french polynesia where the settlement has become concentrated only since the arrival of european religions. A lot of the communes created in 1971 (I believe) were later grouped in "communes associées" that are at present the real politic entities. stephane.jourdan at informatique.gov.pf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.90.68.50 (talk) 01:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Overseas country or collectivity ?
French Polynesia is a collectivité d'outre-mer (overseas collectivity), ruled by the article #74 of French constitution, and as recalled in article 1st of the organic law of 27 february 2004. This law calls it a pays d'outre-mer (overseas country), but it is not a category, it's just its particular name, which means that it has a large autonomy (unlike Mayotte, another overseas collectivité, called collectivité départementale to show its likeness to common departments). So French Polynesia should be defined as a collectivité d'outre-mer called pays d'outre-mer, or, at least, there should be no mention of the fact that it used to be a collectivité d'outre-mer. Moreover, the Conseil constitutionnel has juged (12 février 2004) : Considérant que l'article 1er de la loi organique, après avoir précisé la configuration territoriale de la Polynésie française, énonce les principes généraux applicables à la Polynésie française, collectivité d'outre-mer dont l'autonomie est régie par l'article 74 de la Constitution ; que, s'il désigne cette dernière comme " pays d'outre-mer ", cette dénomination n'emporte aucun effet de droit ; que, dans ces conditions, l'article 1er n'est pas contraire à la Constitution ; (French Polynesia is an overseas collectivity, overseas country is just a name, not a legal status, unless what it would be unconstitutionnal). Jussia 14:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Reference to french flag
Why did the french flag associated with the local flag disappear in the english version of the article ? As far as I know, there are not independant, although they have a large autonomy. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyn%C3%A9sie_fran%C3%A7aise
 * There is no reason for the French flag to show up. The US flag doesn't appear on the Puerto Rico or United States Virgin Islands articles; the French Polynesian flag and seal or coat of arms should appear, not the French.  The French article should probably be modified as such.  The Jade Knight 05:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Article 1st of French Polynesia's status (law of 27 February 2004)

La Polynésie française détermine librement les signes distinctifs permettant de marquer sa personnalité dans les manifestations publiques officielles aux côtés de l'emblème national et des signes de la République.
 * FP can have its own flag but it should be sided by the French one.
 * Legally, if PR and USIV are under the sovereignty of the USA, they are not administrative subdivisions of them, although FP is a subdivision of France.

I think that if FP is described as a French subdivision (French law), French flag is useless (see any French region) but if it is described as a dependant area under the sovereignty of France (international law ?), French flag must be used as it is one of FP's two official flags.


 * The article on Wales does not include the Union Jack. The article on Normandy does not include the French flag.  The article on Jersey does not include any flags of the United Kingdom.  Norfolk Island does not include an Australian flag, Gibraltar doesn't include a UK flag, Greenland does not include the Danish flag, etc.  The Jade Knight 23:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The article on Tokelau includes the New Zealand flag...
 * There is no flag on Normandy's page because there is no "legal" Normandy, Jersey is even not under the sovereignty of UK, Wales is a subdivision of UK so its local flag is shown. Norfolk, Gibraltar and Greenland are good examples because they are usually seen, like French Polynesia, as dependant areas (and not subdivisions). But unlike these territories, FP has 2 official flags (see the quoted article 1st of its status), including the French one.
 * The US flag is legal in all 50 states. The French flag is legal in Normandy (you may not consider there being any "legal" Normandy, but the Norman flag is there on its article), etc.  I just don't see any reason for the French flag to be here; the article is on French Polynesia, not on France.  For the exact same reason you wouldn't put the US flag on an article on Nevada or a Danish flag on Greenland, you wouldn't put the French flag here.  The Jade Knight 05:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * About Normandy, I just wanted to say that this is not a region, since the historical Normandy is divided into Lower-Nprmandy and Upper-Normandy.
 * Nevada and Greenland cannot be compared : Nevada is seen as a part of USA, Greenland is seen as being under sovereignty of Denmark (and listed in the list of countries). If you see FP, as Nevada, as a part of France (French point of view), the French flag has not to be put in the article, since it os obviously legal in all France. But if you see FP, as Greenland, as a dependant area under the sovereignty of France (English Wikipedia's point of view), I think that French flag should be put there, since it is one of the two flags of FP (althought Danish flag is not, as far as I know, a flag of Greenland).


 * This whole free-for-all was started by an anon, so, -3 points. The free-for-all was begun with the assertion that the French flag had been removed from the article:  it's never appeared in the article, so, -300 more points.  That said, the French tricolor doesn't appear in French Southern Territories, Wallis and Futuna, New Caledonia, Clipperton Island, etc., why should it appear here?  It's not like there's some big "censor France" conspiracy going on here.  Seriously, if you have that big a burr in your saddle about it, why not just add a small note to the table indicating that the tricolor is also an official flag instead of making this big stink here?  Tom e rtalk  11:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The Jade Knight 07:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Official language
French is the Official language of french Polynesia. Tahitian is not official.*

Article 115-1) Le français est la langue officielle, la langue tahitienne et les autres langues polynésiennes peuvent être utilisées. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.237.222.8 (talk) 15:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
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Proposed WikiProject
In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Polynesia at WikiProject Council/Proposals whose scope would include French Polynesia. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Currency
The currency is still the Pacific Franc, pegged to the Euro. There is some political talk of moving to the Euro, but this is somewhat controversial. David.Monniaux 21:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Minerals and Chemical Resources
By any chance would anyone know what mineral and chemical resources are found in the French Polynesia and where it would be and what would its state in nature be? I need to know for a project of mine, but I can't find it anywhere online, so I thought I would ask people who may know... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.254.223 (talk) 01:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Conseil du Scoutisme polynésien
Can someone render "Conseil du Scoutisme polynésien" and "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Tahitian? Thanks! Chris 14:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Administration Section
Administration:

"Between 1946 and 2003, French Polynesia had the status of an overseas territory (French: territoire d'outre-mer, or TOM). In 2003 it became an overseas collectivity (French: collectivité d'outre-mer, or COM). Its statutory law of 27 February 2004 gives it the particular designation of"

of? o.O — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astrosoup (talk • contribs) 04:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

User ty
I have looked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_by_language. It would appear that there are no templates like, for Tahitian. :( Chris 06:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Who is President?
The article on Wikipedia states that Oscar Temaru is the pro-independence president of FP. However, the BBC Website states Gaston Tong Sang as the anti-independence president so who is it? W2ch00 11:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Religion
An anonymous user [17:17, 5 September 2008 86.195.169.67 ] made the following change:
 * Christianity is the main religion of the islands, a majority (54%) belonging to various Protestant churches and a large minority (38%) being Roman Catholic.

The previous version of the article had 30% Roman Catholic. Can someone who knows verify this? - Paul (talk) 16:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know, but it's standard practice to undo unexplained changes of figures, so that's what I've done. Graham 87 08:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Atomic tests?
Why so silent about 60's atomic tests?--200.219.204.22 (talk) 15:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because no-one has added any information about them. If you know of a reliable source for info about them, then feel free to mention the nuclear tests of the 1960s in the article. Graham 87 00:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * In fact, they're mentioned in this sentence: "In 1962, France's early nuclear testing ground of Algeria became independent and the Mururoa Atoll in the Tuamotu Archipelago was selected as the new testing site; tests were conducted underground after 1974." Graham 87 00:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Should Paul Gaugin be included Famous People of French Polynesia?
Should the painter Paul Gauain be included as a Famous person of French Polynesia.Though he was french he did live till his death in French adminstered Polynesia?Merci'Thanks!(DatedDayTuSept.8,2009 2009 by Dr.Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC"X")ANDREMOI (talk) 19:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * He doesn't seem to have a Wikipedia article about him, and a google search for his name doesn't turn up anything relevant. Graham 87 00:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Paul Gauguin is here… I think he should be mentionned (Jacques Brel too) Sardon (talk) 05:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I've added both of them. Graham 87 14:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Teraupo
I'm want to write an article for Teraupo, the Raiatean chief that resisted French control until 1897. Would someone like to help me write it? I really need someone who knows French and English since most of the sources are in French.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:45, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

notable people
I notice Karina Lombard and Vaitiare Bandera are missing. Also, Marlon Brando's wife Tarita Teriipia and daughter Cheyenne Brando could be there. All four were born in Tahiti. 85.217.42.205 (talk) 00:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your suggestions. I've added all of them along with Tuki Brando, Cheyenne Brando's son. You could have just been bold and added them yourself. Graham 87 03:15, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * Some maps still bear the name Isla de Amat for Tahiti, which was named after Viceroy Amat in the 18th century.

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Reversion of the infobox
The new infobox added by Horserice is really hard to read. There is a huge problem with the font in it : text seems to stacks up, letters are weirdly spaced. Besides, the former one already acknowledged the special status of Polynesia. I will pass on the motto section completely messed up.

Aside from the issue raised, here are others : There are official titles that needs to be respected and a certain order of precedence. The President of the French Republic (and not the French President) has precedence over any officials. The President of French Polynesia has to be refered as such : President is used for a large number of office in France, and for instance, Polynesia has an other President (the one of the assembly). Finally, the state's representative is the High Commissioner of the Republic (High commissioner is a common government title).

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a Youtube vulgarisation video !

I revert until the issues I raised are adressed.

Edit: Forgot to mention it, '''who decided it was a devolved parliamentary dependency ? It is not in any way what the constitution says''', even more when the "Overseas country" status has been judged unconstitutional.

CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 14:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)


 * 1. You're going to have to be more descriptive with this "huge" problem with fonts and spacing that you're encountering.
 * 2. The banner is designed to clearly show subdivision status of the listed dependency.
 * 3. The infobox motto section in this current version that you restored to violates MOS:FONTSIZE. You're reintroducing a font issue.
 * 4. Fine, order of precedence and titles can be maintained. Just edit those names instead of undoing the infobox.
 * 5. "Devolved parliamentary dependency" is a description of how this place is governed. Authority is devolved from the French state to the territorial government, which is structured as a parliamentary system, and is also a dependency.
 * 6. Why would you mention that the "overseas country" status is unconstitutional and then revert to a version of the infobox that contains that designation?


 * Horserice (talk) 07:09, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * 1 - The problems are alrealdy described in my original message, please read again. 2 - That is still redundant with its official status. 3 - Feel free to correct it. 4 - A reversal is a lot quicker than correcting all problems introduced. 5 - It isn't a dependency, it's an integral part of the Republic, per its constitutional status. Furthermore, the Assembly has no power over the High Commissioner of the Republic. It is structured like any other French subdivision. 6 - It's its constitutional name, not status. In French law, name (=designation) does not equal status (For Polynesia, Designation=Overseas Country, Status=Overseas Collectivity). The most famous examples would be the higher ranks in the French military.
 * TL:DR : You are trying to apply an anglo-saxon approach to a legal system that isn't structured the same. It isn't encyclopaedic and isn't backed up for the moment being, I invite you to delete it.
 * PS : you could have waited for my response before reversion. You know, consensus, especially after replacing a years old infobox... CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 08:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * 1. What stacking issues? They're not observable on my end in any browser. There couldn't be kerning issues since the `letter-spacing` property isn't even filled out. There's no "huge problem with the font"; that would mean Arial itself is broken. You're not clearly describing the problems you say you're encountering.
 * 2. Redundant how? There isn't a separate field in the infobox for status, so it's not repeated.
 * 4. Re-illustrate your problems.
 * 5. Dependencies and territories grouped with dependencies can include areas that are integral to a country. They generally all have a much higher level of autonomy relative to standard first-level national administrative divisions and otherwise distinguishing differing local governmental structures. Hong Kong and Åland would be good examples of this.
 * 6. They're both labels used to describe French Polynesia's standing in the Republic and there was a specific piece of legislation passed to label the territory as an overseas country. This would be like saying that calling Puerto Rico a US Commonwealth is any less valid than referring to it by its status as an unincorporated territory.


 * > You are trying to apply an anglo-saxon approach
 * I'm not English and that's a really archaic word to use to accuse someone.
 * > you could have waited for my response before reversion. You know, consensus, especially after replacing a years old infobox...
 * You could've opened a discussion about this before reverting my changes as well. I certainly don't apologize for making WP:BOLD edits and updating the infobox layout on a very rarely edited article.
 * Horserice (talk) 22:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Stacking issue means one line is displaying over an other one, at the start of the infobox. Firefox 70-64bits. There also seems to be no space between lines in Edge Win10Pro1903. I think browsers are displaying the space between the lines differently or something like that.
 * Okay one more time : its status is Overseas territory with designation of Overseas country. It already is a legal term that describe the status of Polynesia... Polynesia and all lands under its administration are not dependencies, and are all integral part of the Republic, they are Overseas territory...
 * This would be like saying that calling Puerto Rico a US Commonwealth is any less valid than referring to it by its status as an unincorporated territory. But that is exactly what this is. Polynesia is by the constitution only an overseas territory. A law was passed to make it a country, but was judged unconstitutional. The council only allowed Polynesia to bear the name "country". It does not have any legal standing other than being a name.
 * I'm not English and that's a really archaic word to use to accuse someone. That is not an accusation in any way, and you should WP:AGF from me. I am just trying to correct a huge mistake. BTW, I'm French and don't know the word for it, anglo saxon is the French term. Sorry if you're offended.
 * You could've opened a discussion about this before reverting my changes as well. I certainly don't apologize for making WP:BOLD edits and updating the infobox layout on a very rarely edited article. Hey, fyi, I only reverted an infobox that was broken for me and that replaced an other one that has been there for years... And I did open a talk. CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 07:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Huh, lines are being rendered on top of other lines in the infobox? That really just sounds like a local environment issue then.
 * Again, the infobox in the version you reverted to listed the status as overseas country so it's puzzling why you're choosing to single this out as an issue. My point is that it's equally fair to call French Polynesia an overseas country or an overseas collectivity because there is currently effective legislation labeling the territory as both. We can argue about which one should come first based on the substantive legal effect (or not) of the labels, but both designations are valid under French law. If the Constitutional Council had completely overturned the law giving that name to French Polynesia, then I would agree that it shouldn't be here. I brought up the Puerto Rico example to illustrate that just because a designation doesn't have legal effect (Commonwealth status), it doesn't mean that it can't be used to describe the relationship between a territory and its sovereign.
 * Yes, French Polynesia is an integral part of France. Integral parts of sovereign states can be grouped in the definition of dependencies and I listed some examples in which that applies. Reasserting that FP is an integral part of the Republic doesn't change that.
 * Horserice (talk) 20:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

History section?
How is there no history section in this article? john k 06:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

History: European exploration of the long-inhabited islands began when sailors from Spain and Portugal reached the islands during the 16th century C.E.  The Dutch explorer Roggeveen, the British explorers Wallis, Cook, and Bligh, and French explorer Bougainville, all visited the islands during the 18th century. The French gradually took control of the islands. In 1842, Tahiti was officially declared a protectorate of France, and the other islands were annexed by the end of the century. Between 1977 and 1996, France detonated 150 explosions here as part of its nuclear weapons program.124.99.205.23 04:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Even that message is more comprehensive than the history section that used to be in the article. The history section was removed in this edit over a year ago - I've put it back. Graham 87 12:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've expanded the history section somewhat. Graham 87 16:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

This part doesn't make sense. It contradicts itself.: "In 1880, France annexed Tahiti, changing the status from that of a protectorate to that of a colony. The island groups were not officially united until the establishment of the French protectorate in 1889." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.164.74.129 (talk) 22:08, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

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2007 presidential election
Perishable information like this will only make sense if you line-up the results from a bunch of other presidential elections, presumably from before and after 2007, too, completed by an analysis, showing why this is significant. You will not do that. Would you mind if I just removed this whole section? Thank you. Thought so. Psycho Chicken (talk) 16:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Sure, go for it. Graham 87 04:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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