Talk:Fresh Off the Boat

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jazminbobby, S.mace.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Intro Paragraph
The second sentence is nonsensical: "It is the first American television situation comedy starring an Asian-American family whose predecessors emigrated from the industrialized developed high-tech "Asian Economic Tiger" of Taiwan as protagonists to air on network primetime since Margaret Cho's All American Girl, which aired for one season in 1994.[6]"

It is pretty obvious that two sentences have been thrown in a blender here -- one about the ethnic origin of the family and one about it being the first sitcom to feature an Asian-American family since Cho's series. The resulting sentence implies that Cho is of Taiwanese descent, whereas anyone familiar with her comedy knows her family is of Korean origin. Here is how the sentence should read:

"It features an Asian-American family whose predecessors emigrated from the industrialized developed high-tech "Asian Economic Tiger" of Taiwan. It is the first American television situation comedy starring an Asian family as protagonists to air on network primetime since Margaret Cho's All American Girl, which aired for one season in 1994.[6]"

I would change it myself, but I am unclear on how to edit the opening paragraph. Hope somebody can take care of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasroche (talk • contribs) 01:21, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

ep 2
lists luna blaise (babe neighbor nicole) in the credits at the end. not just IMDB, etc., but actually on TV.

yet i see no signs of her. wasn't her grand entrance in ep 3 indeed the first of her? why on earth is she in ep 2 creds? 173.9.95.217 (talk) 23:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

ep 6
was listed as "Shaq Fu" here last week!

just a typo, or did they indeed change the name? 173.9.95.217 (talk) 23:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

"Diversity" and "Hegemonic Representation"
There are some interesting sections in this article (see title), but the sections are written like bad freshman essays, complete with biased and unsourced thesis statements (e.g. "This sitcom is a great example of hegemonic representation in America"). I tried to cut down one sentence that was particularly bad, but these sections need to be massaged quite a bit.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   19:12, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

You are correct. I went though both of those sections, the "Re-occurring tropes" section, and each of their sources. One of the sources used was another wikia site, so whoever edited those sections clearly needs a better understanding of what constitutes a "reliable source". It was clear that whoever wrote those sections does not fully understand how to write a professional article (using contractions in what should be a professional essay), and does not know that speaking on behalf of an entire ethnic group is wrong (speaking on behalf of the majority of the show's Asian-American viewers without giving a source for this overgeneralized perspective). One of the articles cited was one published in 2008 (half a decade before "Fresh Off the Boat" was published as a book!) and several sentences were off-topic and pertained to the film "The Sixteen Candles". The show mocks "The Sixteen Candles" in one of its episodes, but the editor would not know this. Judging by the content of the edit, he/she only saw the first episode of the show, as all of the unsourced, unprofessional criticisms pertained to just the first episode of the show.

With all of these biased, unsourced statements in the article, I have taken it upon myself to delete them and explain my reasons for doing so. (Talk)  5:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

"Chinese names"
I think these were listed in an episode (season 1, maybe?) but
 * a) the current "sourcing" is a complete fabrication: the linked sources say absolutely nothing about the characters' Chinese names;
 * b) these are patently wrong: Eddie's surname (the first word in his Chinese name) is obviously some form of Huang, not "Chungi", which isn't remotely a Chinese surname in any dialect (even in dialectical non-pinyin transcriptions, where it would need to look something like Chung-i and involve two characters, which patently isn't the case here);
 * c) we should use pinyin transcriptions ( WP:MOS-ZH ) unless there is an official source from the show (official guides, webpages, network—not autogenerated—subtitles)
 * d) and they'll need sourcing: we shouldn't copy the real Chinese names of Mr Huang's family unless they've appeared in the show or its official paraphernalia.

In the meantime, removing them as patently unsourced and (in at least the one case) obviously mistaken. — Llywelyn II   03:54, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

"Edwyn"
is probably right as Eddie's formal name (the actual author/lawyer/chef/blogger is formally Edwyn Charles Huang) but again the current source does not support that at all. It just calls the character Eddie Huang. It can be used as a source that Jeff Yang is the actor but not for the character's supposed full name. — Llywelyn II   04:00, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

New section on criticism of representation of source material
Two minor thoughts on this section recently added to the article. -- M.boli (talk) 15:59, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the third paragraph of the Development and production section reports some of Huang's thoughts on this question. Some of that material might moved to this section, and a wikilink inserted in its place? The citations include an interview in the Epoch Times that would be salient. But it could require a person who reads Chinese to get more information.
 * Criticism of representation of source material is a nicely descriptive title for the new section, but there ought to be something better. But I haven't thought of a better one, I said unhelpfully.

Propose restoration of Chinese references
I don't entirely understand the removal of the two Chinese references.


 * I propose to restore the sentence that FOTB is covered in the Chinese media and giving the Chinese name for the show. I think it should be restored under a new subhead in the Reception section. It was removed because one of the Good Article reviewers said that this part didn't "fit in" with the Critical Response subhead.
 * I see the point. But getting coverage in Chinese language media seems me a noteworthy aspect of the show's public reception. So I think the correct response isn't to remove the material, but to put in a new subhead.
 * BTW: The Chinese language wiki-page for FOTB lists two names, it appears that the two names are different in Taiwan and China media. This would be included. Also it seems that Fox TV in Taiwan was running FOTB, I'm not sure if that should be included in this article.


 * A sentence in Eddie Huang's Response sub-head was removed, viz: Huang said that the all-comedy television show contrasted with his real family where his grandfather killed himself, his grandmother had bound feet, and state family services tried to remove the children from the home. This was removed on the grounds that Epoch Times is a biased news source, and last year got a Deprecated rating (which is quite bad) on the WP:RSP sources list.
 * Again I see the point. However the article is an interview with Huang about the topic of this paragraph, and that sentence is nearly a direct quote. What Huang said is: My grandmother bound her feet, my grandfather committed suicide, HRS tried to take us away from our parents.
 * This sentence goes to the heart of Huang's reaction to the show, and is in support of the preceding article sentence, so I think it is a shame to lose it. I think it is safe to use Epoch Times for a celebrity non-political quote, and I suggest re-inserting the material using the direct quote.

That's all. I'd like to put the material back with the changes I suggested, which I think address the reasons it was ripped out. But of course it is best to discuss first. M.boli (talk) 01:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for starting the discussion, !
 * Per MOS:OVERSECTION: Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading. That in mind, having a section that only lists the names of the show in other languages seems superfluous. I agree with 's point regarding how if there are individual reviews from Chinese media that we can find then those would be suitable for inclusion. Your point about Fox TV in Taiwan was running FOTB also seems like the perfect information to include under the broadcast section–given we can find a source to verify it.
 * Regarding the Epoch Times quote, I don't have a strong opinion on whether I believe it should be included or not, but seeing that we already have two direct quotes from Huang in the article, I don't believe it's that imperative that to add a third, especially since it's already pretty clear that Huang believes the series does not accurately depict his experiences.
 * Looking forward to hearing your response! KyleJoan talk  09:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Righto! Thanks.
 * In the Reception section I can add a subsection Reception in Chinese Media which will include some bits from a review or two from the TV show's first season, mention articles showing how FOTB controversies involving Eddie Huang and Constance Wu were covered, and show that the end of TV series was covered. It won't be an overly long paragraph. I think the main take-away is that part of FOTB's reception (or impact) is that Chinese media were following this English-language American TV show and its stars.
 * Quoting Huang saying "great comics speak from pain" and FOTB is "an ambiguous cornstarch story" states his position. Adding his quote that his grandmother had bound feet, his grandfather killed himself, and HRS tried to take him away from his parents reinforces the point with sharp specificity rooted in his own personal story.
 * -- M.boli (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm interested to see how a reception in Chinese media section would look, but I do have questions. . . . articles showing how FOTB controversies involving Eddie Huang and Constance Wu were covered . .. What controversies? While there is one involving Wu (i.e., the renewal tweets), there's no mention of a controversy involving Huang in English at all. Chinese media were following this English-language American TV show and its stars. How uncommon is this? I'm finding that World Journal has documented Game of Thrones and The Epoch Times has an article about Stranger Things.
 * Upon a closer look, I see four quotes from Huang in the article. That aside, the statement that you wanted to include is apparently also a tweet by Huang. If The Epoch Times claimed he said that to them in an interview, then that contributes to why it is a deprecated source. Nevertheless, since now the quote can be sourced elsewhere (i.e., the tweet), I'm leaning more toward it not being that necessary to include, really. KyleJoan talk  04:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Synopsis
Currently #1 Series synopsis includes "following their relocation from Chinatown of Washington, DC". Is there any reason that shouldn't be changed to "Washington, DC's Chinatown" (or Washington DC's Chinatown)? Mcljlm (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Constance Wu's reason for tweets
Well it does feel like now is the time we need to update the section about Constance Wu's tweets. That part seems outdated now, Constance later clarified in this interview on The_View_(talk_show), meaning we should change from "Wu was looking at other projects" to the real reason Constance has now revealed, i.e. Wu faced sexual harassment on the show by a producer.

PS: As an Asian myself I am *strongly* in favour of highlighting such abuse in the community so it may be mitigated so would be grateful for the update, but this should not be reason for a decision to change, instead above interview/book by Constance Wu should be. Fwd079 (talk) 20:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC)