Talk:Freudian psychology

SPsychoanalysis is NOT psychology ! T0t0 Cugn0 (talk) 07:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I propose to delete this (redirection) page, which maintains a confusion between psychology and psychoanalysis !--T0t0 Cugn0 (talk) 23:14, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose: The articles for psychoanalysis, psychology, and Freud do not claim that they are the same. "Freudian psychology" describes Freud's theory, not his method of psychoanalysis. Secondly, a redirect is not an article. It merely serves to direct a search term such as "Freudian psychology" to another page. After the reader gets to the redirected page, they can read for details if they are interested. Sundayclose (talk) 00:06, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * A redirect is not an article! I therefore propose the (ironic) creation of redirect pages named


 * "Freudian legends",
 * "Freudian frauds",
 * "Freudian meditation",
 * "Freudian philosophy",
 * "Freudian sociology",
 * "Freudian sexology",
 * "Freudian religion",
 * "Freudian sect", etc (all redirected to psychoanalysis). Will your argument then be the same?
 * It is simply used to direct a search term such as "Freudian stuff" to another page. Once the reader lands on the redirected page, he can read for more details if he is interested.
 * Do you see the problem? --T0t0 Cugn0 (talk) 00:23, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * There is no problem. If you want to try to create those redirects that's entirely your right. Perhaps you'd like to try "Freudian poop" and "Freudian gizmo". Whether they survive the Wikipedia community's judgment is an entirely different matter. Sundayclose (talk) 00:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * you don't understand the ironic argument ?--T0t0 Cugn0 (talk) 00:42, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

What I do understand is that this redirect was created by and served the Wikipedia community for 17 years with no problems. Try creating those others and see what happens. As before, I'm no longer pandering to your endless goading. I'm finished here unless someone else comments. Sundayclose (talk) 00:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Psychology
Psychology is psychology. Freud wasn't a psychologist. psychoanalysis isn't psychology etc... --T0t0 Cugn0 (talk) 00:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Incorrect: https://www.apa.org/ed/graduate/specialize/psychoanalytic  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 04:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Wrong - You bring a "source" that does NOT say that Freud was a psychologist! Who does NOT say that psychoanalysis is psychology (or vice versa)! Are you aware that the English-speaking world is not limited to the use made in a professional association of a single country: a biased association in these matters? --T0t0 Cugn0 (talk) 11:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Someone does not have to be a "psychologist" to create and develop psychological concepts. Ivan Pavlov wasn't a psychologist but developed many concepts that are predominant in psychology. Aaron Beck wasn't a psychologist and developed a therapy based on cognitive psychology. Carl Jung was a psychiatrist who developed analytical psychology, and take a look at the titles in his bibliography. Freud developed a system of psychological concepts (Freudian psychology), and he developed a method (psychoanalysis) based on those concepts. This incessant argument ad nauseum that everything that includes the word "psychology" must be connected only to a psychologist is as weak as dishwater, flies in the face of the overwhelming WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS, and frankly, getting so tiresome that it has reached the level of disruptive editing. So once again, I will no longer pander to this endless goading. I'm finished here unless someone else comments. And by the way, the American Psychological Association is a far more reliable source than the thoughts of a single editor on Wikipedia. Pinging. Sundayclose (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Sounds like the cult argument...soon to be "Mormon psychology" or "Islamist psychology" or "Scientology psychology" or "Q-anon psychology" ... !?
 * Freud lied a lot, forged his legend and theorized the fact of camouflaging his pseudoscience (psychoanalysis) under the names of legitimate science(s). These are not my opinions but the content of recognized sources... Freud never studied psychology! factual! Freud was never a graduate in psychology! factual!
 * the wikipedia page on Pavlov presents him as a psychologist (in its current version), Aaron Beck was a psychiatrist...
 * This incessant ad nauseum argument that everything is everything and this continued confusion (without source) around the words "psychology" or "psychological" is as weak as counterfeit money, it goes against the overwhelming scientific consensus, that is based on sources ! WP:V etc
 * This confusion around the ""psy"", term and vague concept is however not the subject of our discussion.
 * This page usurps the word psychology to attach it to Freud, in a faulty way (to redirect to ""psychoanalysis""!)...
 * --T0t0 Cugn0 (talk) 21:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the error in Pavlov's article. I corrected it. That's why Wikipedia is not a reliable source and is always a work in progress. Britannica does not state that he is a psychologist, and that is a reliable source. As with Freud, Jung, and Beck, he was not a psychologist although he developed principles frequently used in psychology. As for the rest of your comment, same rant, nothing new. Sundayclose (talk) 21:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC)