Talk:Friday (Rebecca Black song)/Archive 2

Wolf whistle, harmony
This section was removed as OR, but it is easily verifiable from the track that there is harmony and a wolf whistle. I'm putting it back here in case sombody figures out a way to properly incorporate these observations. Redhanker (talk) 22:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Unlike some successful groups such as Bananarama who sing in unison even with multiple voices, Black also sings or is dubbed into harmony and echoing parts. The rhythm before the chorus includes a catcall sound similar to the whistle once commonly used before the 1960s to signal the passing of an attractive woman.


 * We can't use the song itself as the source for such information, since you are interpreting what you are hearing in the song, which we are not allowed to do. You must find a reliable source that makes this interpretation before you can include it. Otherwise, it is WP:OR. Silver  seren C 22:21, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Re-protection
OK, this song is still extremely popular, and the vandalism isn't settling down. Could someone semi-protect the page indefinitely this time? Once Friday slips away from the media, an admin can just unprotect it. ~jcm 18:46, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Few to no constructive edits are coming from non-autoconfirmed users, except updates of counts.  I'm not happy with that collateral damage, but the vandalism isn't stopping.  Drop a note over at WP:RPP when someone thinks protection isn't required any more.  Cheers.  lifebaka++ 18:52, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE OF SALES
From Billboard today: To date, "Friday" has sold 215,000 digital downloads according to Nielsen SoundScan and received little radio airplay. Source: http://www.billboard.com/news/beyonce-blows-up-social-50-chart-rebecca-1005160852.story#/news/beyonce-blows-up-social-50-chart-rebecca-1005160852.story —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.228.10 (talk) 05:14, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Music video
Can someone please re-write this. What I wrote seems very simplistic. The video itself is of course very simplistic, and I wanted to keep it as a nice and neutral description. But it ended up looking like it was written by a five year old. I think it is important that there is a description of the video, as that is half of the reason for the song's popularity. So yes, any improvements would be a appreciated.--EchetusXe 23:38, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The main thing we need is a reliable source describing the music video and then we can just go off of their description for it. Silver  seren C 23:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It is amazingly difficult to find any sources describing the video in any detail. They all just say 'watch it'. Any descriptions start out well enough but then reach the part were she decides which seat to take and then lose interest. A few mention the rapper, but have very little to say about what he is doing. Yet looking at the sources did allow me to find some backhanded compliments that can help to balance out the article. A few mention the tune's catchyness for example.--EchetusXe 00:05, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Always stonewalled by the Wiki 'sourcing' catch-22 … While I understand the importance of sourcing, in this case, wouldn't it be perfectly acceptable to write up a neutral description, then reference the actual video -- what would be the point of regurgitating a third-party description? --Chachap (talk) 21:48, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

How is a kid driving! That is totally fake and she says she is at the bus stop and she gets in a car with her friends and the song is so stupid she is just explaining her day! Danilicious123 (talk) 01:10, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

It's "LoL Time!"
I found this parody music video based on League of Legends on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiawlC0cBY. Their team wants to surrender unconditionally because they were doing wrong. Garygoh884 (talk) 09:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Glee Cover
Glee did a cover of Rebecca Black's "Friday" that will be released soon, as seen here: --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 22:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's some proper news links to it:


 * "The Cast of Glee Sings Rebecca Black Classic ‘Friday’" - Gawker
 * "Rebecca Black song gets 'Glee' publicity" - Manila Bulletin


 * Seems that it's going to premier in the Prom Night episode. Silver  seren C 22:32, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Debuted at No. 9
Would it be okay to mention in the article this song debuted No. 9 on the Billboard Social 50 charts on April 2, 2011? Here are the links:

http://www.billboard.com/charts/social-50#/charts/social-50?chartDate=2011-04-02

http://www.billboard.com/charts/social-50#/charts/social-50?chartDate=2011-04-02&order=gainer

Pusher (talk) 21:35, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The Social 50 has been discussed a few times by editors that focus on charts, and there's never been a real consensus on it. It doesn't measure success in any conventional form, measuring neither sales nor broadcast plays. Still, if there was a case of a song that had become successful based on non-conventional distribution, this song would seem to be it. I still wouldn't put it in the main chart table, simply because it isn't directly comparable to any of them, but I couldn't argue strongly against a mention of it in the prose.&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:39, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I am more partial and would use the info found in Billboard Social 50 charts as a valid indicator. We have restricted social networking stars too much already in Wikipedia and we go on suggesting delete on so many of the pages created about them as soon as they are put, or some time later. They hardly ever survive scrutiny. We just don't want to acknowledge them and we are left behind. Meanwhile the world has moved on and listens to such stars sometimes in millions of views. Check this news item from Billboard http://www.billboard.com/charts/social-50#/news/rebecca-black-s-friday-tops-100-million-1005128362.story "st hours after passing the 99-million-view mark late Tuesday night, Rebecca Black's video for "Friday" surpassed the 100 million views at YouTube Wednesday morning, making it one of 43 videos to have done so." If this is only one of only 43 videos, I'm sure the number has narrowed down as it reached 140 million now... It is significant. werldwayd (talk) 17:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Video Game
Where would it be appropriate to put this in the article? "Friday" has its own flash game parody (but it's not a cover): http://acidcow.com/18802-rebecca_wack__friday.html

72.70.176.136 (talk) 22:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Gee, let me think. A game where a cartoon version of a thirteen year old girl is set on fire, run over by cars and otherwise abused? How about...no. Exxolon (talk) 15:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know if its a real game being marketed or its just a spoof video. This is not clear. If its just a tape made for YouTube, my answer is still no. But if it is a real game being marketed, regardless of how we feel about its content, it should be mentioned in a section called "In Popular Culture". Here in this section, we could also quotes appearing in various TV shows that use a "Friday" quote or perform a snippet of the songwerldwayd (talk) 17:21, 15 May 2011 (UTC).
 * It's a non-notable flash game. Not suitable for inclusion. Exxolon (talk) 21:34, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Compliments?
"OK! Magazine also noted that 'some are calling the 13-year-old signed singer the Next Justin Bieber'."

The article listed this under complements, but if these are youtubers deeming Rebbecca Black the "Next Justin Bieber," then it is far from a compliment... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.217.232.43 (talk) 01:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Um, that's "compliment" not "complement". 203.185.248.131 (talk) 05:51, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Spellcheck failed me...


 * In answer to your question Black clearly believes it to be a compliment. Just because you believe Bieber sounds like horse in labour doesn't make it any less of a compliment.--EchetusXe 14:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as many videos on YouTube with a large amount of likes and a small number of dislikes receive highly rated comments saying, "[number of dislikes] people are Justin Bieber fans!" I would say the comparison is an insult and not a compliment. I can comfortably say that a vast majority of comments with Justin Bieber that aren't on videos about or featuring Bieber are bashing him. The Friday video comments seem to be no exeption. 67.162.144.177 (talk) 02:52, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm wondering how a Youtubers comments meet any requirements for this article. 124.169.229.1 (talk) 01:54, 4 June 2011 (UTC) Harlequin

YouTube 100
This chart tracks the biggest visits every week. Rebecca Black's "Friday" is at #10 for the week of 17 May 2011. But I am hesitant of including it before discussions about it as this is a new chart. Rio Caraeff, Vevo CEO, recently stated to Fast Company that "The notion of tracking sales and correlating that to success is a bit antiquated. There's no single indicator you can look at now – you must look at everything." Are we mistaken to only rely on sales, downloads and radio braodcasts when most people now listen to their favorite songs through YouTube and similar outlets and in by far bigger numbers to actual sales which is really dieing as we speak especially for singles. Check the top 10 and the rest through this link http://www.youtube.com/music werldwayd (talk) 02:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like a single-outlet chart to me, so I'm not in favor of using it.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Swapped reference link text
The link text for references 90 and 91 appear to be swapped. "The worst pop song of all time? - 10 million YouTube hits for Rebecca Black's 'Friday'" links to Conan's Thursday parody, and "Conan O'Brien Takes On Rebecca Black's 'Friday' With 'Thursday'" links to the "The worst pop song of all time?" article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.44.169 (talk) 02:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Where did the video go?
First the comments are gone now the video has been removed by "Rebecca Black" as part of a copyright claim? Anyone have more information on this? Should we include this in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.159.65.193 (talk) 20:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Just watched this video for the first time on youtube 5 minutes ago so it's certainly not "unavailable" like the uncited statement in the first paragraph suggests 71.74.235.138 (talk) 14:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Generally cites don't go in the lede - however if you scroll down you'll see a referenced section where it states that the video has been removed, and why. Officially it's been removed, but it wouldn't surprise me to see 3rd parties upload it, and YT to keep deleting it for a while yet.   a_man_alone (talk) 14:45, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The success of the song comes from the success of the viral video, so i think that the fact that the video (that had 16million views) has been removed should be included in the article. Mydreamistofly (talk) 19:19, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It is in the article.  a_man_alone (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Exact statistics at time of takedown
I was recording the statistics of likes/dislikes on the video for a research project and I can provide the following statistics at the time of it's removal:

num_dislikes: 3215415, num_likes: 456,062

Which means the actual quoted statistics on the article are not fully accurate.

For proof, you can still view the dislikes and comments at the link:

http://www.youtube.com/live_comments?action_get_comments=1&video_id=CD2LRROpph0&lt=99999999999&format=html

Just change the timestamp in "lt=XXXXXXXXX" to some computer time to view the comments after that date. This is where the automatic updates would be populated from and I used this knowledge to make my automated data collection more efficient.

Also on that link I'd hypothesise that the comments were disabled at exactly:

Tue, 10 May 2011 23:55:08 GMT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.245.253 (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * What we also need is the number of views at the time the video was taken down. Media are quoting 160 million but this is an approximate figure. What was the exact figure when this happened? werldwayd (talk) 18:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the method I used to get the likes/dislikes didn't get that information so I can't help with anything other than what is already here sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.245.253 (talk) 11:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed that the stub for the videos still appears as one of the videos I liked in my Youtube profile, with the following stats: Views: 167,701,824, Comments: 3,009,924 up: 455291 down: 3215416 (It also says Responses: 0, but I think thats wrong, as there were responses). I don't know how that could be cited though...Nerdopolis (talk) 00:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait... Some of the stats have changed (don't ask me how): Views: 167,701,967 Likes: 455059 Dislikes: 3215415. Nerdopolis (talk) 01:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That is truly strange :| Either way, I think we should update the statistics on the page at least for likes/dislikes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.245.253 (talk) 06:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Parodies
under the parodies section, it should include Rucka Rucka Ali's parody of Friday, entitled "Rebecca's Black (High Day)" which can be found on YouTube and on the artist's website http://www.ruckasworld.com under Songs ---) (talk) 20:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

It's also included on Rucka Rucka Ali's new album "Probably Racist" as well. SOMEONE PLEASE UPDATE THE PAGE!!! ---) (talk) 05:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

youtube video available or not?
Well, according to the official link, it's still unavailable. I would surmise that it's being uploaded by fans & 3rd parties, then YT is taking it down each time it becomes aware. The video is not even on her own website. a_man_alone (talk) 20:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The official channel on YouTube, unfortunately, is now RBlackChannel. Not sure if regional lockouts apply here. --Addict 2006 02:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, never mind. Automated scripts suspended that channel. --Addict 2006 01:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

youtube video available

The video has been re-posted to a user's channel called "purplenavel" on his channel in 720p. i think someone should post this on the article if there are fans out there, willing to watch it.Jesse King 05:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwking (talk • contribs)


 * "purplenavel" (For some reason I believe he is actually you) is creating a copyright infringement. He is not the copyholder of the music video, and this is purely advertising. Read WP:ELNEVER why it will never be added. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  05:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

This video, with 2+M views, is another one claiming to be the 'Official Video': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u9-AdPAOy0 15.219.153.75 (talk) 17:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Once again, it is a copyright infringement and we cannot add it to the article. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Rebecca Black just uploaded Friday on her own youtube channel last week.

24.104.127.1 (talk) 01:47, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from GoombaFan, 16 August 2011
Ref 24 is only a Bare URL. FIX IT! Also, Ref 73 and 74 are unreliable sources, so fix those refs too.

GoombaFan (talk) 15:34, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Partially done. I fixed the BBC ref, but I have not removed the two refs to Youtube.  The refs are only being used to say that the videos were posted, and they do show that.  Cheers.  lifebaka++ 15:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It wouldn't hurt to be a bit more polite in your requests either...  a_man_alone (talk) 16:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Nerd Alert - Void Rays
I think Void Rays by Nerd Alert (a StarCraft II parody song) should be included in the parodies section. Its creators are Michael "Husky" Lamond and Kurt Hugo Schneider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.60.16.15 (talk) 22:47, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

They definitely should add this, since it is clearly stated to be a StarCraft 2 oriented parody.
 * This is a very popular parody in terms of views (about 1.8 million) and involved more substantial production cost than a lot of the other YouTube parodies. I'm not sure whether or not it deserves to be included here. Dcoetzee 00:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Reception
Lady Gaga thinks Black is a genious in the way she has captured everyone's attention. This should be added to Reception.

Heres where she said it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWCEIjBdZIY — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aussie0001 (talk • contribs) 13:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request
The intro to the article says the video was removed from YouTube in June. Later in the article, it states that the video was reinstated to YouTube in September - which it was. The introduction is therefore misleading and inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.12.141 (talk)


 * Yes check.svg Done. I've updated the lead, it's not the most graceful (I blame the video, which I was forced to watch to determine when it was re-uploaded, for frying my verbal skills) of paragraphs, but more accurate. --Ella Plantagenet (talk) 03:14, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit: remove libel
Under "Music video" it says that there was criticism of "the use of Auto-Tune on Black's vocals". I wish this phrase to be removed, Rebekkah Black proved she could sing on an interview with Good Morning America. The auto-tune is a myth. If the phrase remains, it's libel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.120.205.220 (talk) 02:17, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:. All well and good, but this article is about Rebecca Black - I'm not sure who this Rebekkah Black person is you refer to.
 * Seriously - please provide sources to show that autotune was not used on the single, which is what the statement claims - whether she can sing without the use of autotune is not what the statement says, and her ability to sing in tune on a talk show - which is what I assume Good Morning America is - does not automatically disprove the claim that autotune was used on the record, which other sources back up.  a_man_alone (talk) 06:21, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Negative votes on YouTube
Was it pulled down to reset the "dislikes", or what? (It seems to have had that effect, anyway.)

And did it go viral because it was of low quality, or because of a campaign against it? If the latter, then would this be an example of bullying. --Uncle Ed (talk) 04:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The new upload of the video has 1:4 vote ratio. --  Zanimum (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Rebecca Black release date (Not 3-14-11)
Release date for Rebecca Black is March 11, 2011. March 14, 2011 is when it came out on iTunes.

Jds345 (talk) 00:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌, apparently March 14 is when it was released officially as a single-- Jac 16888 Talk 12:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Fix this. Whoever wrote it is a moron.
Background A client of Ark Music Factory, a Los Angeles record label, told her Black about the company's production services in late 2010; — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.27.88 (talk) 00:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ - sort of.  a_man_alone (talk) 14:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Wrong info
It says Friday (single) was released under Ark Music Factory but it wasn't. It was under her own label. http://www.amazon.com/Friday/dp/B004S5JBZ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313651337&sr=8-1 --86.60.203.164 (talk) 22:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you come up with a better source than amazon? Ark and RB had some legal battle, I believe.--Milowent • hasspoken  02:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * While she now claims ownership, it was indeed initially released under Ark. --  Zanimum (talk) 00:19, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Have to disagree with you there. The music video was released by Ark on Youtube, yes, but not the single. I will try to find some other sources tomorrow, but I really do not think it's possible for her to release it under her label, and sell it under her label unless she owns the track. --86.60.203.164 (talk) 23:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What about if, in the label field, we said See Controversy, below. That would defer people to the issue. --  Zanimum (talk) 18:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that'd be the best way to do it? --86.60.203.164 (talk) 16:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

'''Does anyone object to the above suggestion? If not, the change will be made in two days from this post. -- Zanimum (talk) 19:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)'''

New version/remix
The original version with the rap verse is nowhere to be found anymore. Should this be pointed out? The length of this version is 3:30. CyberTootie (talk) 03:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Who is the rapper?
Late in the video a rapper takes part in the video. Does anyone know who it is? Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 17:24, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a little hidden: "Patrice Wilson appears near the end of the song to deliver a short rap." He was the songwriter/producer. --  Zanimum (talk) 22:13, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

YouTube viewers?
So how much this has had viewers? It is said to have had 167 million when it was taken off, and it currently has 73 million viewers. That is 240 million total, or is there any other numbers to count in? 82.141.117.187 (talk) 12:00, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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What is this YouTube Rewind gimmick about which you talk?
Section 3 (critical reception), paragraph 1, second sentence: 'It was rumored to be hated because of the gimmick Black pulled on YouTube during the YouTube Rewind 2011, where her song was "Number One"'. That is fascinating, except that it tells the reader absolutely nothing about said gimmick.

Can someone who knows what this sentence is supposed to be about please inform the rest of this article's readers? Thanks. Ambiguosity (talk) 09:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Charts, or charts?
Section 6.1 of this article discusses a Glee cast cover. This is followed by a table showing the song's sales performance in a variety of countries, as measured by various measuring agencies. Section 7 is titled 'Charts'. Thank you. Ambiguosity (talk) 09:50, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Is the chart in section 6.1 supposed to represent the performance of the Glee cover?  If so, can the labelling be updated to reflect this?
 * 2) Is there any reason for reporting sales of a cover version of a song in an article titled 'Friday (Rebecca Black song)'?  If so, should it be moved to the relevant section?
 * 3) If two chart tables are to be included in one article, would it be possible to at least report on the same charts, so there is some comparability?

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