Talk:Fried chicken/Archive 1

wow guys
does KFC chicken really deserve to be the photo when its probably the worst fried chicken you can get.


 * I couldn't agree more would someone please put this photo in too! [[Image:Friedchickenbreast.jpg|thumb|center]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmgod (talk • contribs) 07:06, 7 August 2008

Recipe origin
Would anyone happen to know the origins of the seemingly redundant "chicken fried chicken"? Joncnunn 21:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it has to do with regards to the other sublime Southern dish, Chicken Fried Steak, which is a variation on weinershnitzel developed by Germen immigrants to Texas. "Chicken Fried Chicken" would be chicken cooked similar to Chicken Fried Steak (ie. breaded and then pan-fried as opposed to deep-fried".

Convoluted
"This version of the fried chicken probably supersedes the appearance of both its Scottish and American counterparts chronologically"

Eh? Am I to take this to mean that it predates it?

Language
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I'd like to clear up the Chicken Fried Chicken language, but can't if the page is protected. 68.173.25.123 18:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. It should be noted that one of the benefits of creating a user name is the ability to edit pages that are semi-protected (like this one was). Cheers. --MZMcBride 18:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Scots and Scottish
Sorry don't really know how to edit this, but should the line where it says "The Scots, and latter the Scottish" say the Scots-Irish and latter the Scottish, or are the Scots and and Scottish different people now?

Blanking recipe vandals
Quit removing the recipie.. If you have a better one I will try it..Untill then leave it. If some one wants to modify it fine but dont blank it or take all recipies off Wiki, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.100.65 (talk) 02:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a cookbook. There are plenty of other sites on the web to post recipes.  Thanks, OhNo itsJamie  Talk 04:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hash it out with editors —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.100.65 (talk) 03:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Category:African Americans?
Should this article really be under the category of "African-Americans" as well as the others, or is that vandalism? I understand that it's an African-American dish, but having it in the category of "Soul Food" and what not probably ought to cover that. Isn't having it under that category sort of racist? Is Watermelon under that category as well? I'm just sayin'...--Antodav2007 (talk) 08:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I think its dumb to even label it as a traditionally African-American dish. Who in America does not eat fried chicken? I mean, really... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.197.108 (talk) 16:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've added an NPOV section about the stereotype - if anyone would like to add sources, you're welcome to, but I thought at minimum it needed to be noted. Cataloging the existence of stereotypes, and the reason for their existence, is as important as cataloging any other type of information.  I've also pieced together many sections from revisions in the past year or three that were destroyed in previous edit wars, due to the topic's status as a racist stereotype.  Feel free to rework them however you like, but try to add information rather than removing it.Lesqual (talk) 03:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Um....
Ok, I actually came to this page looking for info on: How did "fried chicken (and watermelon)" become a racial slur? Or, why would someone even be offended by this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.19.243 (talk) 18:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It was another food used by racists to explain how different the 'black race' was from the rest of the human race. The logic was that they have different skin, they have different-shaped faces, they eat different foods, so it's justified to treat them like animals.  In reality, these were simply some of the only food choices available to slaves in plantation life, and they developed over the generations into a general racial cuisine (later permeating into the rest of the South).  The offensive aspect is not in the knowledge that many African-Americans like soul food, it's in the racist expectation that any black person should enjoy eating certain things and talk/act a certain way.  While it's important not to allow trolls to vandalize the page with an embracement of this belief, it's also important to acknowledge it.Lesqual (talk) 03:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Scottish Nonsense!
So this article suggests that fried chicken, as eaten in the southern United States, is the result of Scottish influence. That is a catgorically false assertion. Though it is true that fried foods and fried chicken inparticular existed before the American version, there is no evidence to support the claim that American fried chicken derived from Scottish cusine. It is generally accepted that, like southern barbecue, fried chicken as we know it today came out of the African-American culinary tradition. Once again another wikipedia article about something quintisentially American has been tainted with a UK bias. --216.39.232.190 (talk) 13:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:SOFIXIT. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

"Southern fried chicken Chicken parts that are floured or battered and then fried in hot fat. The term southern fried' first appeared in print in 1925...Southerners were not the first people in the world to fry chickens, of course. Almost every country has its own version, from Vietnam's Ga Xao to Italy's pollo fritto and Austria's Weiner Backhendl, and numerous fricassees fill the cookbooks of Europe. And fried chicken did not become particularly popular in the northern United States until well into the nineteenth century...The Scottish, who enjoyed frying their chickens rather than boiling or baking them as the English did, may have brought the method with them when they settled the South. The efficient and simple cooking process was very well adapted to the plantation life of the southern African-American slaves, who were often allowed to raise their own chickens. The idea of making a sauce to go with fried chicken must have occurred early on, at least in Maryland, where such a match came to be known as "Maryland fried chicken." By 1878 a dish by this name was listed on the menu of the Grand Union hotel in Saratoga, New York..." ---The Encyclopedia of American Food and Drink, John F. Mariani [Lebhar-Friedman:New York] 1999 (p. 305-6) [NOTE: this book has much more information than can be paraphrased here. Ask your librarian to help you find a copy]

"Seventeenth- and eighteenth-century descriptions of colonial foodways ignored the chicken for the most part. In the earliest manuscripts to enter America there are, of course, chicken recipes for roasts, stews, and pies, and none other than Governor William Byrd II was dining on the iconic southern dish of fried chicken at his Virginia plantation by 1709..." ---Oxford Encyclopedia of Food and Drink in America, Andrew F. Smith editor [Oxford University Press:Oxford] 2004, Volume 1 (p. 226)
 * Above quote taken from this source. No UK bias was intended on my part - if you have a competing source to back your assertions, by all means present it.Lesqual (talk) 13:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

"Once again another wikipedia article about something quintisentially American has been tainted with a UK bias"

What are the other examples? There is surely cultural imperialism on both sides of the Atlantic; indeed, Wikipedia is more often than not accused of having an American-centric bias? And BTW the fact that a UK aspect may be present could be something to do with the Scots-Irish/Scots/English and Welsh settlers forming a major part of the original founding fathers of the US of A? Just a thought. 80.229.27.251 (talk) 14:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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