Talk:Frightened Rabbit

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It's a band on a major record label, just like any other band on this site. It's first album has been reviewed by a notable source, All Music Guide.

It will also be meeting the criterion for international tour this month. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Machtspruch (talk • contribs) 03:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Universal
I'm not sure how to cast the relationship with Universal. I gather they just re-pressed & distributed the record. I don't think the band was signed per se, so on is not accurate. It would be nice to find a source describing the deal. Wwwhatsup 00:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah. I now see from the Pop Shop interview that the deal with Universal was never fully consumated.Wwwhatsup 01:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The band do not own Hits The Fans... so it's not "their own label". and the album was never put out or distributed by Universal, nor was the band ever signed to Universal. I've deleted both of pieces of information because they are patently untrue. just because it says something on AllMusic doesn't mean it's true.

162.84.233.39 (talk) 06:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)chris162.84.233.39 (talk) 06:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the way that things go on Wikipedia is that, if you are going to revert a fact, you'd best come up with your own citation, hopefully from an authoritative source, to counter it. As it is, I checked that Amazon listed the record as an Universal release  before writing that copy. I'll accept that that does not evidence Universal distribution in the UK. But I'm going to revert your edit to that extent.


 * It is, in fact, a point of notability that merits the band's inclusion in Wikipedia, that they have had major label distribution.

Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Universal information is just completely incorrect. Amazon/All Music Guide / whatever for whatever reason is just wrong. I can't find a notation for something that *doesn't* exist. i'm not in the band, so... no COI. but... if the information is wrong, it shouldn't be up there. i'm sure you're a fan of the band, as am i... but i do know the band, and i know that the Universal deal was never done (it wasn't really universal, it was Fiction). i'm going to edit the line again and see what happens. 162.84.233.39 (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)chris162.84.233.39 (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * We know that they didn't sign to Universal. But, as I understand it, that was a lengthy negotiation subsequent to the one-off distribution deal. It's like they were dating and decided not to get married. Fiction is a UK subsidiary of Universal. Amazon would not list it as Universal unless that was where they were getting it from. The fact that their site still has copies for sale validates the record's existence. How else would they have any? I have to revert your edit as it's uncited OR] that contradicts two good cites for Universal distribution. [[User:Wwwhatsup|Wwwhatsup (talk) 00:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * here's yet more evidence. The record was distributed by 'genepool/Universal Music'. Wwwhatsup (talk) 00:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

i'm sorry, but... this is just WRONG. genepool is an indie distributor in the UK... a one-stop, in american parlance. it is not owned by Universal, nor is it a partner... that's like saying the new record is distributed by EMI (since EMI owns Caroline, and FatCat is distributed by EMI.)  Clearly, one of two things happened:  Universal picked up a few copies of the record via Genepool and got them online, or somewhere there's just a typo. Since less than 400 copies of the Hits The Fans record were sold via traditional distribution, i find it hard to believe the record was "distributed by universal" Check out the Genepool website:  http://www.genepooldistribution.com/genepooldistribution.html :  it's a tiny tiny distro. there's one fiction band in there that i've never heard of. i don't know... i don't really care, but... i think you're doing the band and its fans a disservice by continuing to put forth incorrect data, even if it is "cited". it pains me to see it up there. it makes it seem like the band were dropped or something. anyway, even if it were correct, it's not very useful or important information. anyway... i'm not going to change it back, because clearly it's somehow really important to you that this information stays on the site. 162.84.233.39 (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)chris162.84.233.39 (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Review suggestion
As an editor at Crawdaddy!, and to comply with COI guidelines, I am not posting the link to this review. However, I would like to recommend it on its merits, and hope that an editor will find the time to examine the review and—if he or she sees fit—post it as a link, or, if/when a page is created for The Midnight Organ Fight, post it as a review. I appreciate your time. Crawdaddy (favorable) 2008 Asst. Editor, Crawdaddy! FenderRhodesScholar | Talk 22:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

merge suggestion
I would like to suggest that relevant portions of A Frightened Rabbit EP be merged with this article. A Frightened Rabbit EP just seems to have too little information to be a suitable article for Wikipedia, however, merging it with this article would make this article better. Akihironihongo (talk) 01:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - I agree. Wwwhatsup (talk) 09:10, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok I am going to put the template up on both pages. To clarify, my reasons for proposing this merger are because the information in A Frightened Rabbit EP is too minute for one page but parts of it (probably all but the track listing?) can be used in this article. Akihironihongo (talk) 08:20, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - I'd prefer it if someone expanded the article though, such as with the information that Scott Hutchison put on the official website about each track. The evacipated (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure we can do that after it gets merged (it seems extremely likely that it will get merged). Oh, if you want to list some of the information and references on this section, that would be great. Akihironihongo (talk) 00:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's the link to the post, if you haven't been already... http://frightenedrabbit.com/updates/a-frightened-rabbit-ep  The evacipated (talk) 17:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it's time to merge the articles. The discussion has been going on since december. It looks extremely unlikely that a significant number of people will come out in the next few days against the merger, so any more time with the templates up is really just a waste. Also, I have proposed a reassessment of this article through Wikiproject Biography, and I want this article to look the best for when that happens. Akihironihongo (talk) 10:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Stub Class or Start Class
I don't know the criteria for a biography of living persons being classified in either stub or start class, but I was wondering how we could bring this article up to start or even a higher class. Any suggestions? Akihironihongo (talk) 11:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at a certified good article to do with a band, there are (and I'm sorry if any of this seems like it should have gone without saying, or is very obvious) things such as moving that bit in the head paragraph about the band's lineup, expanding it, and then putting it into its own section, adding more statistics into the head paragraph, such as album sales and such, and in general just expanding each history section, getting to the point that "Beginnings, Sing the Greys and The Midnight Organ Fight" could be divided to three separate sections. (For example, the formation of the band's lineup would go in Beginnings.) I believe that there enough information out there for such a thing, as most of the interviews with Scott Hutchison that I have read do give a lot that could be put into such sections. The evacipated (talk) 17:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That looks like a big job. I think I'll get started on that! Akihironihongo (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2012 (UTC) Oh and I don't know how to get the real link, but ref 2 needs to be fixed. In fact, the entire reference section requires maintenance.
 * One more thing, when I put the date and retrieval date, I used the format year-month-day. If that is not the correct format, please notify me and fix it :) Akihironihongo (talk) 00:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've got another idea for something that could be added as a separate section. The band seems to be involved with the charity "Invisible Children," making videos and such for them, like Scott's cover of Death Cab For Cutie. Something like that could be put a philanthropy section. Also, as a matter of curiousity, is there anyway upon which to get that WikiProject Scotland template up with the Biography one? I do believe that Frightened Rabbit fits into their area. It might also get the page some more attention.The evacipated (talk) 01:57, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how to get the template up, and my current involvement in taking the Wikipediholicism test means I won't be able to make that section yet, but it would be great if you could. Also, I'm not sure if the references paragraph i added to each of the album sections should go there or in a Critical Reception section. Any thoughts? Akihironihongo (talk) 02:11, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I could try putting it up, but I don't know if the protect's permission is needed. I will check that out. (After writing this, I saw that you already took the step I was going to take. We'll see what happens.) I think that Critical Reception section usually include a more broad definition of what the media thinks of the band. From what I've seen, really notable reception is within the album subsections. (Notable meaning top ten lists of the year, decade, what have you.) Another idea for a section: Influences, if there are any articles to be found. About philanthropy: From what I've seen, such a section does not need to be long. Here's some links to various pages linking the band to Invisible Children... http://blog.invisiblechildren.com/videos/frightened-rabbit-covers-death-cab-for-cutie/ http://blog.invisiblechildren.com/tag/frightened-rabbit/ http://blog.invisiblechildren.com/videos/silver-series-frightened-rabbit-scottish-winds/ http://www.stayclassy.org/fundraise/ic-team?ftid=1039 There's also an auction that I remember where one of the band's guitars was signed and sold. That should be mentioned. Got over $1000 dollars... Also, out of curiosity, how does the page classification system work (stub, start, etc.), and how does it get updated? The evacipated (talk) 07:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I will work on that philanthropy section as soon as i can. members of the wikiproject can review the article and select its rating I believe, but I don't know how or if they really do much updating on the ratings. I requested to wikiproject scotland to put this in there. If they comply we will see their rating. Akihironihongo (talk) 07:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I need a link to a page that says how much they earned for the guitar; I can't find the page myself. Akihironihongo (talk) 12:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Here it is: http://www.ebay.com/itm/170688922456?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_2002wt_1096 The evacipated (talk) 19:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * K i will get that in Akihironihongo (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As another thing that could be added, there could be mention of the links that the band has with The Twilight Sad and We Were Promised Jetpacks. Also, there could be mention of how Scott actually drew all of the album covers.The evacipated (talk) 01:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, you might want to watch this video. You could put some of it into the beginnings section. http://dft.ba/-1qz_ The evacipated (talk) 02:14, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't watch videos on my computer because something is wrong with the sound. You or someone with working sound will need to put the information in yourself. Akihironihongo (talk) 08:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Basically, Scott says that in the beginning, he would tell the audience the band's email and they would send anyone who asked for one a free demo, but very few demos were actually sent out. After awhile, Scott mentioned that he would send biscuits (I'm assuming he meant cookies) with the demo, and then after that, they got quite a few more emails. Ones that were sent to North America would end up just being crumbs when they got to their destination, but he theorized that something like that would stick in your mind, and would add to their fanbase. If you figure that appropriate for it, I'll be happy to put it in. The evacipated (talk) 21:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So it's like an example of how they started out with a low fanbase? Yeah i think that would be appropriate for the beginnings section. Go ahead and add it. Akihironihongo (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll put it up tomorrow. The evacipated (talk) 03:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you know of any the band's influences? That could be another section. The evacipated (talk) 13:05, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks we got the article to a C! The evacipated (talk) 02:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I see! We should all pat ourselves on the back for achieving this rating! To B and beyond! Akihironihongo (talk) 03:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So we've got ourselves a B class! The evacipated (talk) 04:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Columbia Records and Atlantic
While Frightened Rabbit has signed with Columbia, I do not know whether or not they are still with Atlantic records. Would like information on this. Akihironihongo (talk) 11:27, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think they have signed on with Columbia... Look at the cover of "A Frightened Rabbit EP." It says Atlantic. I would have thought that something as big as that would have been mentioned on the Twitter feed. Also, they are not among the listed bands signed onto Columbia that's on the label's website. The evacipated (talk) 01:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's something I'm not sure about either. I am going to delete the mention about Columbia records on their labels section and make clear that it is unclear in the section which i mentioned it in. Akihironihongo (talk) 02:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The Winter of Mixed Drinks
I don't like that bit about how the reception had a bit more negativity to it. Just feels wrong, somehow. There was really only those two or three critics that said it was worse than The Midnight Organ Fight. The rest gave it either similar praise, or higher. (The A.V. Club, for example.) The evacipated (talk) 02:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't really like it either, but I can't find articles giving it more praise than The Midnight Organ Fight. If you could find some, that would be great. I will look up the A. V. club, etc. Akihironihongo (talk) 02:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * interesting... the midnight organ fight gets a worse rating than the winter of mixed drinks, but the article for mixed drinks suggests they think otherwise. odd. Akihironihongo (talk) 02:57, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * AllMusic seemed to like it better, saying it was focused and had more of a polish to it. There isn't a Midnight Organ Fight review to compare it to, though. http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-winter-of-mixed-drinks-r1718030/review The evacipated (talk) 06:49, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ok i will put it in there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akihironihongo (talk • contribs) 07:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying, but is Ultimate Guitar the most notable source for reviews? I think a better lead-in would be Metacritic, with Ultimate Guitar taking its place within that paragraph. That, or removing it entirely, and replacing it with the reviews from BBC Music and the Guardian... The evacipated (talk) 07:33, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * is there one from BBC music and The Guardian? if you could put the links there I can replace ultimate guitar. I do agree, its not a very reliable source. Akihironihongo (talk) 07:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/feb/25/frightened-rabbit-winter-mixed-drinks BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/2d3q and, as a bonus, NME:http://www.nme.com/reviews/frightened-rabbit/11102 The evacipated (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome, I'll put those in. Akihironihongo (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Sing The Greys reviews
Are those reviews from before or after Fat Cat got involved? Perhaps, the difference between the two periods could be noted, if there is one. The evacipated (talk) 07:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe it was before, i will mention it. Akihironihongo (talk) 07:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * actually, I'm not sure how I should include it. Akihironihongo (talk) 07:40, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As it turns out, the band (meaning Scott and Grant) hated the first edition of Sing The Greys. That could be mentioned in either the CR section or the main one. Interview: http://dft.ba/-1qza The evacipated (talk) 02:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That link seems to not work. it just says go to url, but when you click that, it does nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akihironihongo (talk • contribs) 08:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I wonder why. I think it may have something to do with the fact that Wikipedia didn't seem to like the original link. I'll post a more whole summary of the story later. The evacipated (talk) 21:43, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly Akihironihongo (talk) 23:04, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Lead Image
I just realized that perhaps the lead image isn't the best to represent the band anymore, given the fact that that picture was taken whilst it was only Scott and Grant Hutchison. They've got three more bandmembers now. Is there anyway to find a better image? I've tried Wikimedia Commons, but all that there is that is better is a picture of Scott, Grant and Andy. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20081115_-_Frightened_Rabbit_-_Nottingham_Rock_City.JPG There's also one where it is Scott and Billy, but that isn't much better than the lead. The evacipated (talk) 19:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't know how to get a better free image. Akihironihongo (talk) 23:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

userbox
I made a userbox for this. It's not in the proper coding format but it works. I didn't really know what colors to put, but if anyone doesn't like them, they can easily change them.
 * I think shades of blue work better, given that the band has had a nautical theme as of late. The evacipated (talk) 22:24, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The tan is for their Liver Lung FR! album which had a tan cover. I tried blue once but it just didn't look good. Akihironihongo (talk) 23:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

A section for State Hospital
Should we be adding a section for the State Hospital EP? I mean, there's one for A Frightened Rabbit EP, and State Hospital is arguably more important. The evacipated (talk) 04:21, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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Missing
Please note that as of writing this (07:57 UK time) reports in the press state that a body has been found in relation to Hutchison's dissaperance, but it has NOT yet been indentified as him - BBC News.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:58, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Confirmed that it is him as of 0800 Mountain US. Sad and sorry to hear it. Begs the question...should the following be edited "The line-up currently consists of Scott Hutchison (vocals, guitar), Grant Hutchison (drums), Billy Kennedy (guitar, bass), Andy Monaghan (guitar, keyboards), and Simon Liddell (guitar)." I only ask because someone has already listed Scott as a "former member" in the box to the right under their picture.

Past members
I feel like either the band is no longer and therefore past members should just be members, or there are current members that need differentiation. Davidcoons (talk) 03:02, 5 September 2020 (UTC)