Talk:Fringe (TV series)

Article to add
regarding the potential of season 5. Not sure how to incorporate it yet. --M ASEM (t) 05:07, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I saw this at EW. I think we could add this when a final season renewal decision is made to gain greater insight into the network's reasons, but I'm up for any better ideas. Let's cross our fingers for another Fringe season.  Ruby  2010/  2013  05:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The part from Riley on losing money is probably something to add now, but yea, it might be easier once we get closer to the renewal announcements. --M ASEM (t) 05:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Fringe (TV series) taskforce proposal
Hi all! I'm proposing a new taskforce for Fringe. Interested editors can find the proposal page at WikiProject Council/Proposals/Fringe (TV series). I hope it goes successfully. Thanks,  Ruby  2010/  2013  04:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Dark Angel
In what way is this show related to Dark Angel? I looked at the references but I couldn't find any mention in the articles that were linked. 220.245.184.11 (talk) 12:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem to be supported by the sources, so I have removed it.  Я ehevkor ✉  12:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

End of Eternity by Asimov
I am aware that speculation is generally frowned on, but is there any evidence of influence here. Episode 79 "The End of All Things", giving details of the Observers, and their influence on the overall arc is very similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Excelis4 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sometimes they allude to other literary works or television shows. When they moved to Fridays, the first episode on that time-slot was entitled "The Firefly," alluding to the show Firefly, which was on Fridays. Whether they were joking about their chances of getting cancelled or just making a point, I don't know. The point is, it most likely served as an allusion. Akihironihongo (talk) 23:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Doomwatch, Strange World
Doomwatch and Strange World have similiar storylines. 174.22.13.7 (talk) 01:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Show tense
It is a show versus it was a show. It has been reverted to 'is' at least once that I am aware of, by Masem, with the odd edit summary that seemed to suggest that if the show was, then it somehow ceases to exist. I disagree. The program is no longer in production, there is no film planned and all of the cast has moved on to other projects. Why not call a spade a spade and put the show in its proper tense. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 15:25, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It's a Wiki-standard - works of media that have completed their runs but can still be viewed or enjoyed in some reasonable manner like home video or streaming, are treated as still existing, and thus we use "is", per WP:TISWAS and the links within. If a show completed its run but no archival copies were made such that there's no way to view the bulk of the show, we'd likely call that "was" since we can no longer see that work. --M ASEM  (t) 15:30, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Gunno have to go withe the wiki-standard here..  Я ehevkor ✉  16:06, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for explaining it to me. Learn something new every day… :) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:53, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Description

 * The series has been described as a hybrid of The X-Files, Altered States, and The Twilight Zone.

The influence and homage to the X-Files is overt, so no argument there. In some respects, Fringe is the rightful successor to the X-Files, in more ways than one. However, I'm really not seeing the rationale for comparing it to Altered States and The Twilight Zone. I mean, sure, both Altered States and Fringe use isolation tanks, but so what, that's hardly a reason to describe it as a direct influence. And yes, there is drug usage in both, but again, so what. And The Twilight Zone? Sorry, I'm just not seeing it. The entire premise of Altered States and The Twilight Zone bears no real comparison to Fringe, so I question the wisdom of including this statement in the lead. Instead, it should focus more on the similarity with the X-Files, which is demonstrable and easy to prove. Viriditas (talk) 03:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It mentions Altered States and The Twilight Zone because they were influences. Please see the Conception subsection for the references. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It says they inspired the development, but that's several parsecs away from the show being a hybrid. I'll look at the sources, but it still doesn't sound right. For example, Lorde may be inspired by Jay-Z and Kanye West, but that doesn't make her music a hybrid of those influences. Viriditas (talk) 21:57, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Sources
 * The New York Times: "They traded ideas about beloved fantasy films and television series — “The X-Files,” “Altered States,” the early movies of David Cronenberg — but also looked carefully at procedural crime dramas dominating the networks. 'When 6 of the Top 10 shows are ‘Law & Order’ and ‘C.S.I.,’' Mr. Orci said, 'you have to be a fool not to go study what it is that they’re doing.' Cross-pollinating these genres, they came up with three characters — a neophyte F.B.I. agent (played by Anna Torv), a brilliant but mad scientist (John Noble) and his wayward son (Joshua Jackson)..."
 * So in this instance, it's not a hybrid of the above shows, but of genres. Big difference. Viriditas (talk) 22:39, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * If you think it needs fixing, then by all means, fix it. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:41, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. First, let me fix the ref for THR. Viriditas (talk) 22:44, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Ref fixed. Viriditas (talk) 22:49, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Temporary fix to the description more inline with the sources. I'm sure it can be improved further. Viriditas (talk) 22:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Described as being "influenced by film and television shows such as Lost,..." Not sure how Lost, which was made later, could have "influenced" this show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.55.126.18 (talk) 02:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Fringe aired from 2008–2013 and Lost aired from 2004–2010, so Lost did begin first. They were also both created and produced by J. J. Abrams. The #Conception section under Development apparently explains why the show was influenced by Lost. – Rhinopias (talk) 04:53, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

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Unearthed
We previously had the "Unearthed" episode labeled as episode 11 of season 2 per how it originally aired, but editor has made various changes (see Fringe (season 1) and Fringe (season 2)). I feel there should be a consensus to how we should treat this episode on Wikipedia. So, the facts are:


 * The episode was produced as the final episode of season 1 and was meant to be a standalone episode to be placed anywhere (expect for Charlie reappearing), meaning it'd have to be placed in season 1 for it to make sense, story-wise.
 * It aired as episode 11 of season 2 as a "special episode".
 * It is included on the season 2 DVD/Blu-rays as an extra episode and not given an episode number.
 * It is labeled season 2, episode 11 on iTunes, Apple TV, and Prime. I believe it also streams on HBO Max, but I don't have access.

With that, we either label it season 1, episode 21; season 2, episode 11; or as "bonus" episode in either season 1 or 2, where it is located in the episode table but separated with a different header (see Breaking Bad (season 5) as an example). Determining how we label "Unearthed" effects various things, such as episode numbers in episode articles (which Thelonggoneblues has changed), season episode counts, and the ratings table at List of Fringe episodes because now some of the episodes are off by one. Thoughts? Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)