Talk:Fritz Leiber

Pronounciation?
Can someone who knows include a note on how Leiber is pronounced? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.208.181 (talk) 06:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * - It's pronounced Lye-ber with a long i - Matthew —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew Ilseman (talk • contribs) 19:23, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * long i? /aI/? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.80.99.27 (talk) 14:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Could someone move it to the top with proper phonological accreditations, and out of the "Trivia" section? -- Yamara 00:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I had thought it was "lee-ber" until I picked up a copy of "Ill-Met In Lankmar" where the correct pronunciation is mentioned in the foreword. (This is somewhat embarrassing - German is my mother tongue though I've spoken primarily English for years now, and the book claims that the long-I pronunciation is the "original German" fashion of saying it.) Atypicaloracle (talk) 11:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Why isn't this information in the header as it is for so many name entries on Wikipedia? Further confirmation that it's LYE-ber and not LEE-ber may be found in a video interview with the man himself at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUHrdLUqfcg&t=95. Kalimac (talk) 10:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Revision
The page has expanded so much that it has become unwieldy. Anyone besides me up for reorganizing it? -- Career, early influences, dry spells -- Leiber had the November 1959 issue of Fantastic devoted to only his new stories, and a Special Author issue of F&SF appeared in 1969, with the usual new work, appreciation, bibliography, etc. Should these be added? Signinstranger 22:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have nothing to add or subtract at this time, just a comment on the parenthetical in the 6th paragraph of "Life": while I absolutely adore the phrase "fallow interregnum", the latter of the two words hardly seems appropriate, beyond being a tenuous synonym for "period". TheNuszAbides (talk) 17:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Unwieldy? Perhaps a bit, but I found it reasonably complete, well written and unbiased (visited it for the first time today). I don't think the 'cleanup' tag on the page is warranted; to me it signals "do not trust this article" or "kooks have taken over this article" — and that's definitely not the case. JöG 21:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I took out some POV passages. Mainly what it needs now are some subheads--but it's hard to put them in the way it's organized now.  It needs a little reshuffling first.
 * If someone else thinks it's cleaned up enough, they can go ahead and take off the tag. Nareek 03:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * IJWTS I think this "catches" Fritz very well. Shulamuth 04:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

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Biography assessment rating comment
WikiProject Biography Assessment

A lot of words and no references. Needs work. Start class.

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 00:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Change War ??
This passage makes no sense: "Although his Change War novel, The Big Time, is about a war between two factions..." "Change War"? What is this trying to say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 (talk) 02:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * As it stands today, it means "The Big Time is set up like a play,

even though its background is a war across time and space".
 * Or are you trying to say Change War is not explained in the article?

That's the/a name of that background, used for some other works too. JöG (talk) 13:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Fafhrd stories
Two Sought Adventure is in the collections section, although it is a Fafhrd & Gray mouser collection later expanded to one of the Swords books. Bazaar of the Bizarre is also a F&GM-only collection, as is Rime Isle. And Ill Met in Lankhmar [the White Wolf 1995 compendium] was peculiarly split in paperback such that (eg) Thieves' House (pb, 2001) includes 10 stories, but not split as they were in the original collections, thus becoming a "new" F&GM collection. The Wikipedia page on Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser should perhaps be updated (especially in regard of compendia of the novels), and referenced from the section on the Leiber page to keep things wieldy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.105.47.250 (talk) 13:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I provided the heading "Fafhrd stories" for this material previously inserted somewhere above. I wonder whether it is acceptable in this and neighboring articles. "Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser" is a mouthful and we currently use several short versions --without 'the' and/or without 'Gray' and/or without 'stories'. (And once 'Grey' for 'Gray' in this biography, which should be fixed. If Leiber or publishers or critics have been inconsistent, say so.)
 * F&GM is strictly for talk space. --P64 (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Split bibilography
The list of works is too long for an article about the writer. Any objections if I split it to Bibliography of Fritz Leiber, and retain only book length works here? Mike Christie (talk) 11:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now split the list, as there were no objections. It is at Fritz Leiber bibliography. Mike Christie (talk) 10:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe it remains too long, given that the section carries a {main} link to Fritz Leiber bibliography.
 * If it is deemed suitable to list all books by Leiber, including those published after his death, and to exclude all shorter works, then the heading "Selected works" should be replaced (perhaps "Books by Leiber") and supplemented by a one-line preface that explains the scope.


 * Regarding the short works dated 1934 and 1935 (covered in the text and ref, per ISFDB): Our only list of short works is Fritz Leiber bibliography, a list of titles by year, no other bibliographic data, which begins in 1939. We list no other short works, only the short stories. Why is the bibliography so incomplete and without explanation?
 * In the text we call that 1939 story his "first professional sale[citation needed]" (probably tagged by me). If the bibliography scope is professional sales that should be stated. Offhand it seems to me a poor choice.
 * --P64 (talk) 19:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Inaccuracies in many places
I have spotted a number of inaccuracies in the bibliographic listing of works. I've already corrected two of these, but I will make some more adjustments when I spot things. I also think that Conjure Wife needs a section of its own. It is too important a work to be swept up with everything else the way it is now. Does anyone object? As it stands the synopsis of the book is wrong (it is taken from one of the cover blurbs) and there is no noting of the changes that the novel has gone through over time. Even the film information is not fully accurate for this novel. Eluard (talk) 03:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

"Sword and sorcery"
I have removed the statement that Lieber coined the phrase "sword and sorcery", as this was actually Michael Moorcock. MikeEagling (talk) 14:45, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


 * MikeEagling deleted the parenthetical note from "sword and sorcery genre (a term coined by Leiber)" but did not touch the observation, where we mention SAGA, "He is credited with inventing the term Sword and Sorcery for the particular sub-genre of epic fantasy exemplified by his Fafhrd and Grey Mouser stories."
 * I tagged the latter citation needed.
 * See also on various ways we name those works.
 * --P64 (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Earliest stories
Previously we said early in section Life that Unknown 1939 ("Two Sought Adventure", not named) was "his first published story", ref Anderson. I changed it to say that he introduced F&GM there (and to identify title, month, and editor), and I added coverage of six 1934/1935 stories just above, ref ISFDB (Notes).

In section Writing career we call Two Sought Adventure "Leiber's first professional sale", without ref. That needs a source. If/when we learn more, the prose needs revision at least in the first instance.

ISFDB identifies about 20 Untitled items of short fiction by their opening words, sometimes also with a 1937 to 1941 date.(see the end of section Shortfiction) Probably it will be valuable to examine the 2010 collection Strange Wonders and expand coverage of the Leiber's early period in this biography. --P64 (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Influences/influenced
Infobox writer no longer supports the fields influences and influenced. Its template documentation now instructs (twice): "No longer supported. Please move cited/citable instances into prose."

Here are the current parameter values (cut and paste except bullet points):
 * | influences = Robert E. Howard, H. P. Lovecraft, Shakespeare
 * | influenced = Ramsey Campbell, Gary Gygax, Stephen King,  Emil Petaja, Matthew Stover, Michael Moorcock

See Talk: Ray Bradbury for some more explanation with cross-references. --P64 (talk) 18:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Article picture
I believe the image used in this article's infobox should be removed. It is not a picture of Leiber. It is the cover of a magazine, and it probably does not meet copyright requirements for this article. ImprovingWiki (talk) 01:01, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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