Talk:Frontier/Archives/2012

Use of the word Frontier
''In the United States, the frontier was the term applied by scholars to the impact of the zone of transition where explorers, pioneers and settlers were arriving. That is, as pioneers moved into the frontier zone they were changed significantly by the encounter, and that change made them more American than the people back east.[4]''

This makes it sound like the word "frontier" is used to refer to the impact of the transition to the zone rather than the zone itself. Also, the citation used here isn't an actual citation (there's no source listed, just a sentence)

Census?
Who do you mean by "census" -the U.S. Census Bureau, Statistics Canada, someone else?


 * I merged the contents from American frontier to here, since both were duplicates and the merge had been discussed previously on other talk pages. Links to The Frontier were deleted as being spurious.-- Decumanus | Talk 15:02, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Frontier seems like the appropriate title for an article about frontiers, i.e., boundaries between states. Michael Hardy 00:52, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

So Europe is a country...interesting...

American bias
The word 'frontier' is more commonly regarded to mean the border between two countries. This article only considers the 'frontier' in the American frontier meaning, with a token reference to other countries.

I propose moving this all to American frontier or Frontier (American frontier) (except that which is not relevant to America), and redirecting Frontier to Border

Kransky 12:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Frontier has lots of meanings. Some are trivial like "boundary," However there is a complex theoretical meaning explored by hundreds of scholars over 110 years (since Turner in 1893). Among scholars, historians and experts it primarily referes to the experience of the American frontier as shaping American character--a powerful thesis that shaped thousands of scholarly studies. Rjensen 09:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Whenever one talks of frontier in the sense meant in this article, one has to acknowledge (in the very least!) the Russian Eastern frontier, which played a similar role in Russian (and soviet) history to the one played by the Western frontier in American history. Other prominent frontiers discussed in world history (again, frontier in the sense meant in this article) are the Chinese Western and Southern frontiers, the Christian/Muslim frontier in the Iberian peninsula, and the Prussian frontier in Eastern Europe. For some reference see for a classic article: "The Frontier in Comparative View", Dietrich Gerhard, Comparative Studies in Society and History, Vol. 1, No. 3, (Mar. 1959), pp. 205-229. A good book about Russia's frontier: "Taming the Wild Field: Colonization and Empire on the Russian Steppe", by Willard Sunderland. --128.139.226.37 (talk) 14:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Davy Crockett
The user User talk:WalkerHerbertBush continues to add "Davy Crockett was known as the "king of the wild frontier."". I have removed it as unreferenced several times, as a WP:CITE violation. Does anyone else think this should be in the article? I find it irrelevant to the subject.  He  iro 00:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be included. Davy crockett was one of the most well known figures for the frontier, and his nickname per his wiki bio is "king of the wild frontier"WalkerHerbertBush (talk) 03:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * This information is as yet uncited and is still irrelevant to the article. I have file at report for edit warring here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring.  He  iro  05:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)