Talk:Frozen custard

Not nearly encyclopedic
I deleted most of the following text the other day for a reason. Most of it reads like spliced together advertising copy.

"In Northeast Ohio, the East Coast Original Frozen Custard franchise has been serving the favorite cold treat since 1985.

Frozen custard is particularly popular in Wisconsin, and is sold in many places in the United States by Culver's and Andy's restaurants. There are four major frozen custard franchises in Milwaukee - Gilles, Kopp's, Oscar's, and Leon's. Many Milwaukeeans claim to be able to identify distinct differences between the three, and strong allegiances to one brand over the others are common. Michael's Frozen Custard in Madison, WI is a locally owned chain.

Many small towns throughout Southeastern Wisconsin boast their own local custard stand. The Kiltie Drive-In in Oconomowoc, WI has been locally owned and operated since the mid-1950s. The Kiltie features car-hop waitresses who bring food right to your car. Every May, current owner, Drew Howie, hosts an annual classic car show called Cruise Night.

Frozen Custard stands typically offer a small variety of flavors in addition to the standard vanilla and chocolate. Elsa Kopp of Kopp's Frozen Custard is credited with creating the idea of Flavor of the Day.

Perhaps because the dish is so identified with Wisconsin, and Milwaukee in particular, there is a custard stand in Northern Virginia called "Milwaukee Frozen Custard."

Also in Northern Virginia is Carl's Frozen Custard. Carl’s popularity can be traced back to 1947, when Carl’s first started serving the public. Carl’s has become so popular that some travelers passing through Fredericksburg on Interstate 95 will stop by just for some frozen custard. Carl's had to remove their "frozen custard" sign and replace it with "creme, shakes, and sundaes" because Virginia updated ice cream content laws in the 50's to require 4% by volume egg yolks. Carl's was featured in the PBS program, An Ice Cream Show, and is known for putting a final twisted scoop on top of their cones.

It is also very popular in St. Louis, Missouri, where the two Ted Drewes custard stands are iconic. It is also sold at many other independent custard stands.

While Frozen Custard restaurants were almost non-existent in Minnesota 10 years ago, they began to increase in popularity thanks to restaurants like Culver's, Adele's Frozen Custard and Liberty Frozen Custard.

Abbott's Frozen Custard has been selling frozen custard in the Rochester, New York since 1902.

Startup companies such as Frozen Custard Outfitters have been setting up non-franchise frozen custard shops for the last twenty years with frozen custard machines, restaurant equipment, frozen custard mix and training."

With that said, I plan on removing most of the commercially-oriented, non-encyclopedic material once again. If someone wants to re-write this portion (though I don't see what business much of this material has doing in a Wikipedia article), then fair enough, but please don't simply revert. It really isn't necessary to name the prominent custard chain in each city of the United States. 70.171.5.85 04:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I would tend to agree. I think one or two of them could be added back in, but they should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.  --Chancemichaels 01:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

Section heading
I don't like "Popular Chains" as a section heading because it doesn't leave any room for the individual-stand chains (and some of those are notable, worth including in this article). Any suggestions for a more inclusive title? --Chancemichaels 01:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels

I am somewhat puzzled as to what part of "individual store" could possibly constitute a "chain"... Hellsop (talk) 00:16, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Popular chains
I think this section should be removed- it's entirely subjective and has been nothing but a target for spam. Any other thoughts? --Wafulz 05:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * After watching the edits to this article over time I must agree that it has always been a target for link spam and NN entries. This seperate section seems to help divert people from injecting their favorites inline in the article text. I think it could be a useful resource, so long as it's kept to bluelinked articles that pass the notability guidelines. I wouldn't object to changing the title as suggested by Chancemichaels above... perhaps 'Notable restaurants' is generic enough? 72.131.44.247 18:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Question
Despite reading the article, I can't see why it's called Frozen Custard. Is it served frozen, like icecream is? I ask all this because I live in England and we have no such product here (or do we give it another name?) Thanks - Adrian Pingstone 15:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's served at a below freezing temperature like ice cream, but is much more creamy and smooth and can be shaped with the tongue. There are no ice crystals or rough texture like what is sometimes associated with ice cream. It's sort of like the difference between chocolates with differing fat contents... one might be stiffer and have a rough texture due to sugar, while another is silky and has a much lower melting point. Hope that helps! 72.131.44.247 19:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, now I understand - Adrian Pingstone 22:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Quite honestly, you call it an ice or ice cream. You do not have the same draconian law that attempts to differentiate frozen milk products in order to support market differentiation within a crowded industry. Maztec (talk) 09:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Invention of Frozen Custard
This is a little unclear. The article claims that Kohr was the first to create Frozen Custard, then says he brought the first frozen custard machine to Coney Island. If he was the first to create it, then I would assume he was the one to invent the machine as well... but the article implies that he just 'brought the machine' someplace, which would imply that the machine was already invented, which would imply that Frozen Custard was already created. I think all of this might need a citation as well. 69.95.234.248 04:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It is confusing because it is a self-serving article for Old School Creamery. Frozen Custard existed long before Coney Island, it just happens that is the first machine used for it. Maztec (talk) 22:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, no. It's confusing because the machine itself started out as a generic soft-serve machine. Still somewhat revolutionary for the time, but not unique. The Kohr brothers spent two years (1917-1919) modifying it and experimenting with recipes. What eventually made their recipe unique was the addition of the egg yolk. There's no evidence that anything of the sort ever existed before that, despite Maztec's fears of a secret ice cream conspiracy. Kafziel Complaint Department: Please take a number 05:30, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That's complete nonsense. Where did you find this? Ice cream recipes with the inclusion of egg yolks appeared a couple hundred years earlier. 76.64.38.19 (talk) 17:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

How do they kill the custards before they freeze them without being cruel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.103.197.240 (talk) 01:35, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Brand Differentiation
Frozen custard is merely an attempt to brand differentiate from ice cream. The American Ice Cream industry petitioned the FDA to designate ices made with 1.4% or greater egg yolk solids differently. Most milk-based ices made by the home cook are frozen custards, even though they are generically referred to as ice cream in the United States. This article needs to show that this is merely brand differentiation and cover some of the legislative history in how the names came into existence. As it stands, this article is little more than an advertisement for Old School. Maztec (talk) 22:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The potato chip industry successfully petitioned to have Pringles designated as "potato crisps"; it doesn't indicate a potato conspiracy. FDA legislation does not dictate reality, so the history of the product and the history of the designation aren't necessarily the same. Whatever sneaky "brand differentiation" might have gone on, it happened almost a hundred years ago. It's now a product in its own right. Kafziel Complaint Department: Please take a number 05:36, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Invention is completely misattributed
The article incorrectly claims that frozen custard, from the addition of egg yolks to the recipe for ice cream, was invented by the Kohr brothers in Coney Island in 1919. This is completely false. Ice creams made with milk, cream, and eggs first appeared around 1775 and were first discovered in 1650 by a french cook of Charles I of England, who kept the method secret. One can even find recipes for ice creams made with the yolks of finch eggs published amongst the recipes in the Preceptoral des Menus Royaux of 1822. 76.64.38.19 (talk) 17:41, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. The article on Abbott's Frozen Custard says that company was founded in 1902. William Avery (talk) 13:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)