Talk:Frugivore/Archive 1

Deleted material about homo sapiens as frugivore:
Homo sapiens sapiens (modern human). In his article, "Source of Perfect Nourishment: The Plant Kingdom" (1949) Geoffrey Hodson quotes the great Swedish naturalist often called the Father of Taxonomy, Karl von Linne' (Linnaeus) (1707-1778) who introduced binomial nomenclature - naming plants and animals according to their physical structure: "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with    that of  other animals shows that fruit and succulent    vegetables  constitute his natural food." See: http://www.iol.ie/~creature/BiologicalAdaptations.htm.

First of all, the long and awkward sentence beginning "In his article..." is plagiarized from an unidentified and uncredited web site which is, in fact, a partisan and polemical pro-vegetarian, anti-meat site. Secondly, the link given at the end is to another such site that, itself, has plagiarized from still another pro-vegetarian, anti-meat polemical  site. The presentation of this claim - that humans are "frugivores", by which the author means they "ought" to eat a fruit-based diet - is not  supported by any legitimate references. --68.164.235.51 (talk) 17:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Restored material about homo sapiens as frugivores
Rewritten for easier reading. The charge of plagiarism is unfounded, as are the personal attacks. Many authorities on anatomy can be quoted, and medical evidence supports the biological evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.183.37 (talk) 00:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not written well at all. It begins with 'Homo sapiens sapiens' - is that  supposed to be a heading or something? The page it links to, though I  haven't read it all, seems to have an agenda to push, and is not the  sort of thing we use for references here (we want primary academic  material here). It also seems to be using appeal to  nature. You might also  want to learn some of the ways of Wikipedia, for example the three revert  rule.


 * As for the Linnaeus quote, he also thought that all life on  earth was created by God.  Richard001 (talk) 00:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Should I somehow link up 'Homo sapiens sapiens ...' to the quote that  follows? The page it links to is written by a public educator and published with the author's permission. In addition, there are supporting cites from primary academic research - which I would  happily cite here, if that were permissible. Elementary facts are presented regarding human anatomy, biology and physiology in the context  of diet, health and origins. I personally wouldn't call this "having an agenda".

Creationism is another subject altogether, and whatever your views on that, it does not detract from Linnaeus' work in  the field of Taxonomy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.183.37 (talk) 01:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Please do as the bot says and sign your  posts. Regarding the  writing, we are using prose rather than a bullet pointed list so it  looks rather arkward. I'm not an authority on the human diet but I think  the statement that humans are frugivores would be very controversial  scientifically, and I wouldn't be surprised if the page in question was  selectively quoting sources so as to present the view of its author. For  example I don't see the article mentioning that the common chimpanzee  has similar dentition to humans and hunts colobus monkeys for a tasty  treat. I'm a vegan myself, by the way (but not a fruitarian). Richard001 (talk) 01:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot, Richard. Patience please. Here's a recent abstract by a current authority on human anatomy:

(Copyright violation removed. Ucucha 01:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC))

http://www.springerlink.com/content/rr78052089583418/

And regarding our evolutionary diet:

(Copyright violation removed. Ucucha 01:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)) http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/reprint/827/1/382.pdf

The person who originally removed my contribution has seen these cites. He came across the Frugivore page looking for evidence to support his pro-meat agenda  (for real). Best say no more on that score.

Concerning feeding habits of the chimpanzee:

(Copyright violation removed. Ucucha 01:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)) http://venus.nildram.co.uk/veganmc/polemics.htm

Pearl999 (talk) 01:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC) Pearl