Talk:Fruit (plant structure)

Suggestion
It might be clearer to separate this article into two articles, one on fruit (botany) and the other on edible fruits, or the fruit food group. The botany article could have more technical details on fruits in general (edible and non-edible) while the fruit food group could focus on the aspects of edible, agricultural fruits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg.collver (talk • contribs) 15:22, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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The information about citrus whas before in a separate article, so it was recommended and than done, to merge them in one single article. It is important to know how fruit anatomy is expressed by all different kinds of fruits, citrus was placed because the infomation was available. Tha approach should be to invite experts in different fruit species to add the information from their expertease, so it will be more colorful. - CitricAsset (talk) 02:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Comparison of pericarp to bird uterus
I don't understand the relevance of this analogy. An edible fruit is the ripened ovary— pericarp/seeds—of a flowering plant. A bird's uterus is the location where the calcareous shell (and color pigment) is added. The edible components of the bird's egg (yolk + albumen) were formed even before it entered the uterus. http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/avianreproduction.html

I think it'd be more helpful to readers if the article focused directly on fruit, rather than on birds. --NinetyNineFennelSeeds (talk) 02:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree, done. Nadiatalent (talk) 20:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Removing section: Endopericarpal layer
When I search the internet for "endopericarp" or "endopericarpal layer," I get extremely technical papers and quotations from this Wikipedia page. I don't think it is necessary to mention it in this article. Leopoldhausen (talk) 08:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

The fruit's anus?
What is the name of the conical cavity in the fruit where the stem is attached? — O'Dea (talk) 04:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

epicarp mesocarp endocarp diagram?
I would absolutely love to see a visual representation of these layers across various types of fruit. I'm so in love with the idea I might make it myself next time I'm bored. Anybody have any thoughts on this? 7yl4r (talk) 23:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Pome is an accessory fruit, not a simple fruit
This is very confusing and contradictory because both the pages for Pome and Accessory fruit list a pome as an accessory fruit. I am not terribly informed on the matter so it would be great if someone more in the know could maybe clear this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giantmushingd (talk • contribs) 20:12, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The page says "Examples of simple fleshy fruits are berries, drupes, and pomes." Pomes are both, accessory fruits and simple fruits. They are not multiple or aggregate fruits. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:42, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Expand on Categories of Fruit
I am part of a class and I wan to expand on the section about the categories of fruit. I would describe how these different categories of fruits developed from the embryo. I would further describe the differences between the types of fruit. I would use the articles that explore the differences between dry and fleshy fruit, as well as, multiple and aggregate fruit. I would also provide a very brief evolutionary history of the types of fruit like drupes, pommes and fleshy fruits. Including the evolutionary history will provide more background on how this types of fruit arose and may therefore make the descriptions of them clearer. Here are some of my sources:

Bremer, B.; Eriksson, O. (1992-09-01). “Evolution of fruit characters and dispersal modes in the tropical family Rubiaceae.” Biological Journal of the Linnean Society. 47 (1): 79-95 -Evolution of drupes and fleshy fruits Dardick C, Callahan A. Evolution of the fruit endocarp: molecular mechanisms underlying adaptations in seed protection and dispersal strategies. Front Plant Sci. 2014;5. doi:10.3389/fpls.2014.00284. -Explains the difference in dry and fleshy fruits Spjut R, Thieret J. Confusion between multiple and aggregate fruits. The Botanical Review. 1989;55(1):53-72. doi:10.1007/bf02868781. -Explains the difference between multiple and aggregate fruit Yezi Xiang, Chien-Hsun Huang, Yi Hu, Jun Wen, Shisheng Li, Tingshuang Yi, Hongyi Chen, Jun Xiang, Hong Ma; Evolution of Rosaceae Fruit Types Based on Nuclear Phylogeny in the Context of Geological Times and Genome Duplication, Molecular Biology and Evolution, Volume 34, Issue 2, 1 February 2017, Pages 262–281, https://doi.org/10.1093/molbev/msw242 -Evolution of fleshy fruits from dry fruit -Evolution of drupes and pommes CDoris-Bio341 (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Inadequate lead
There's some excellent material in this article, so it's a real shame the lead makes no real effort to summarize the article.

What put me over the edge in terms of flagging this just now is that the terms pericarp, exocarp, and endocarp are randomly introduced in different sections (one in the lead, two in "Categories" section wall of text).

I can name about thirty different sciences where I have at least a competent smattering of ambient knowledge. Botany, however, is not among them. This particular task is not for me. &mdash; MaxEnt 23:12, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Since the epicarp and endocarp are different parts of the pericarp, there's nothing odd about pericarp being the only one mentioned in the lead. Walor (talk) 08:52, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


 * But the lede does not explain what a pericarp is. That's poor style. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)