Talk:Fruit preserves/Jelly

Jelly vs. jam
The comparison between jelly and jam is ridiculous since its difference is obvious. To focus in what a particular country believe or not is jelly does not comply with the requirements of a descriptive article about a specific topic. I changed the article, by addding an extra paragraph at the end of it, in order to make Wikipedia users-editors to review it and improve it. However, no revision was made and the article remained the same, biased and confuse. I suggest to discuss on this matter and to be as objetive as we can be to describe it. The paragraph "In the United States ... of the American South" should be either removed or improved.

A difference is not 'obvious' if there is different system of terminology (yes, terminology... not 'belief'). Perhaps there should be two seperate articles to avoid confusion. User:195.195.20.199 09:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * For me (native dutch) the difference is not obvious. Please leave this article in the way it is now. ietskleiner (Dutch user and writer)

Most English speakers who use jam to mean stuff you spread on your toast don't differentiate between jam and (jam type) jelly. It's all jam. Jelly is reserved the icky wobbly stuff, like a jellyfish. So from a Commonwealth English point of view, there's zero need for a article called "Jelly" that is about something that should be in the Jam article, and thusly the Jelly article should be about jelly.

International usage should take precedence over US usage
The article needs to be rewritten from the more widespread and international understanding of what jelly is, and then make note of the way the term is used in the United States. As it stands, the article is somewhat rambling and confused; statements such as "Jelly has been eaten since Ancient Egyptian times" aren't as clear as they could be as a result, i.e. in what way is "jelly" being used in that sentence (I assume it's referring to gel jelly rather than jam)? - 85.210.44.98 13:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * "International" understanding? In most countries, it's kind of a moot point; Canada, as with most differences that are more than orthographic, uses the word the same way as the US, which leaves the rest of the English-speaking world...which is deceptively small.  One large nation where it's used as a secondary language for official purposes, a few smaller ones around the globe, and a country pretending to be a treaty where it's the highest among a dozen others, only by virtue being strongarmed in by one of the aforementioned small nations as it continues to whine about the influence of a large nation on an encyclopedia it began.  All told, fewer people who were raised on it than in the first two countries alone.  I'm not sure what you mean by "international."  Twin Bird 04:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * News flash - India has 1 billion people ? Nil Einne 14:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've no idea what TB is saying for most of that but jelly is the international term. More people know British-English then American even if it is not the first language of most of them and more importantly the word 'jelly' is far more like the term used elsewhere in the world then 'gellotan' (i.e. French: gelée, German: gelee, Japanese: Zerii, Spanish: Jalea, etc....) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.211.202.4 (talk) 12:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

Most popular dessert in the UK?
Unless you can find a reference for this I am going to modify it to a very popular dessert. I doubt it was THE most popular. Cls14 12:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Language imperialism
There appears to be somewhat of a desire to ride rough shot over the English language here, because the term Jelly in North America refers only to a Jam without fruit bits does not mean that the use of Jelly in the rest of the English speaking world should be ignored. What is required is simple unbiased reference to its different meanings nothing more.

Merge request
See Talk:Gelatin_dessert --Slashme 14:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

"Late-night treat"?
The article states that in the UK jelly is an "uncommon late-night or party treat". It is well known that it is considered "party food", however I have never heard jelly referred to as a "late-night treat". Can this be cited or is it opinion (which needs to be removed)? My opinion, or awareness, is that jelly is more of a summer food, and thus more likely to be eaten during the day, anyway. Jemma 14:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)