Talk:Fruits Basket/Archive 1

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A longstanding rumor
I'd love it if someone could find any proof at all that Natsuki Takaya was a member of CLAMP Cluster before going solo. I've heard this one since the late 90s.

That rumor is quite possible but there are rumors that she was not in the CLAMP trio.~mangalover911

In the CNN news she said she helped other manga artists but she never said who she helped so it's quite possible.Mooncrest 11:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Didn't the CLAMP trio realease comics? See which one looks like her!

Manga translations
I noticed that this mentions "no English" manga yet... Does fan "scanslations" count? --Jdstroy 04:44, 2003 Nov 23 (UTC)


 * OK, I fixed that up. --Khym Chanur 07:31, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)


 * Ah, thank you! I didn't know whether I should put it up or not. --Jdstroy 04:30, 2003 Nov 25 (UTC)


 * It might be relevant to mention that in Europe, french translations of the first 9-10 tomes of the manga are already available? The french do have a knack for translating Japanese manga quickly, these days, as in France and in Belgium, the comic has always been quite popular.

There is an English translation now that is up to volume 12 and will soon release volume 13. Manga is not only for the French and Japanese

it is up to volume 16 now, find it at borders or any bookstore if they have any but i suggest that youu go to borders.they sell kyo and yuki bookmarks there too!


 * 17 now! one relleased every 4 months in ENGLISH!  Poserlkg 00:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

English VAs
I think that they should be added on here as well since the series has been dubbed and finished.

Pattern?
In Hatsuharu's profile, it says "According to the current pattern of people breaking the curse, Hatsuharu is most likely the next person to break the curse." What pattern? Is there some way that this can be explained? (I'm sorry if this is a n00b-ish question, I'm just wondering what this is based on.) -An annonymous user. January 1 2006

Yeah, that probably should be explained on the page. Here's what I think they mean: Kureno, the Rooster, was first to be freed. Next was Hiro, the Goat. Momiji, the Rabbit, was third. Now, the Rabbit happens to be the polar opposite of the Rooster on the zodiac. Therefore, the next one to be freed must be the polar opposite of the Goat, which is the Ox. And that's Haru. That's just my theory, though ^_^; Of course, the problem is that after Haru, we won't know who'll be next... --Jitterro 19:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. That clears up some confusion. -Same Anonymous user, March 1


 * should a spoiler warning be put before this post, since, those of us in the US who are following the release here and *haven't* read any English translations of the other Japanese volumes haven't gotten that far, so the last two talk posts may be spoilerish, or is venturing into the Talk page kind of "at your own risk"? P.S. Hasn't the 20th volume now been released in Japan (and thus should be updated in the info box) I think Amazon Japan says that, but I just wanted to make a note.? FleetAdmiralJ 05:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Nevermind about the 20th volume being released...I was searching for information on it and saw something that was a 20th volume as a link off of a page listing volume 19. The cover looked similar (must have been the same publisher) but I looked again today and saw it was a different series.  The only thing I've found so far about volume 20 is from mangaoh.co.jp which lists it as May 192006 - FleetAdmiralJ 16:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree wiv the spoiler warning, so I added it...I don't think the talk page should be an 'at your own risk' kinda thing, cuz a lotta pplz go to a talk page to learn a bit more about the sibject ~Sushi 06:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

opzz, I meant subject~Sushi 06:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The Curse
Can someone elaborate on how exactly they've managed to break the curses? And can Kyo ever be freed, seeing as how he's technically not in the zodiac?

We don't know how they're breaking the curse. It hasn't technically broken yet, as most of them are still possessed. People are just being gradually released from the curse. And, since Kyo is part of the curse (and a rather large part at that) it is likely that he will be released along with the others... eventually. (probably last, but that's just a guess on my part). - An anonymous user, 18 March.

The "god" who controls all of the zodiac can set them free if he or she wishes to.I got this piece of info in "fruits Basket Uncoverd" just to let you know.- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Sorry, but that information is bogus.-DrGeoduck 05:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not the one who published the book but that's what it says. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Kyo is freed, according to Kyo Sohma. There is also an explanation in the article too.~Sushi 06:12, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Make links to zodiac symbols instead of animals?
I see that currently, in the character descriptions on this page, the link for the zodiac anime goes to the page for that animal (ie, in Yuki's summary, "Rat" goes to the article Rat). I am proposing that the links to go the article on the zodiac anime instead (ie Rat (zodiac)) instead since that seems to be a more appropriate link). The exception would be Kyo since there is no "cat (zodiac)" article (unless someone wants to make it...).  Also, it's only Pig (zodiac) instead of boar, but I think that is just a minor issue.
 * Done. Since cat doesn't have one I linked it to the origin story of the Chinese zodiac which provides an explanation to the cat's absense from the zodiac. --Miss Ethereal 16:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Number of chapters?
How many chapters have been released of the japanese manga? I'm asking not only because it's not mention on the page and should, but is not shown anywhere on the internet. ~Anonymous Contributor
 * According to this website who is writing reviews as the chapters come out in Hana to Yume, the last chapter was Chapter 125 (which would be the 5th chapter in the 21st volume if the 6-chapter-per-volume thing holds). According to this post, Chapter 126 will be published May 2nd. FleetAdmiralJ 19:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Article size > 32KB!
Uh-oh, it looks like the Fruits Basket article has begun to exceed the suggested article size. Anyone have any suggestions on splitting it into seperate articles, or does the structure of the article not permit that? The first thought that comes to mind is splitting it into seperate articles for the anime and manga, because there are some sections in the article that only pertain to the anime but not the manga, or vice versa. However, other things such as the character descriptions section cover them both, though I suppose the information that does overlap could simply be included in both articles. --Fnar 15:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Publishers
Tokyopop etc, is mentioned, but what about Chunag Yi (http://www.chuangyi.com.sg/english/)? I know they publish Fruits Basket in English, which is distributed in Australia by Madman. Perhaps Chuang Yi Should be added to the list of publishers. Also, would it be worth mentioning that Fruits Basket Chinese dub aired on the satelite channel XingKong (www.xingkong.com.cn)? Roxybudgy 06:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Machi and Nao
Just for the record, Machi and Naohito are still in their first year. It's been stated in the manga that the only class trip at Kaibara high school is during the second year (the year that Tohru and co. are currently in). This is why Machi and Nao didn't go to Kyoto with the usual cast- not because they were working.

Yankee
The following was moved from as a comment on the article page to here:

This is generally a good question... a more clear definition of what a yankee is. It is defined in Uotani's description, but perhaps this is clear. Once this explanation is read, perhaps all that is needed is to link to a gangster article or something like that. Yankee does not seem to suffice and provides a different definition from what is provided on the main article and Kogal which was listed under Yankee (disambiguation) doesn't seem to quite fit the definition either. If there aren't any objections, than I'll link it to one of the above. Alternatively, provide your own suggestions. Thanks. --Miss Ethereal 16:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Yankee" in Japanese has two meanings: one meaning "citizen of the US", the other which means "juvenile delinquent". There's a page on the Japanese Wiki for that second term, which states the term as being synonymous with "punk" or "juvenile delinquent". Hmm, hmm... *goes to add something about that on the Yankee disambiguation page* --Fnar 07:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Uotani was in a deliquent before she met tohru or her mother,she first idolized tohru's mom but after she met her in personshe changed her mind and didn't idolize her anymore.when she finally got the family felling that she never had before she would go and talk to tohru's mom who herself has been in the same path because her family was always based on the image of their family,but in oUotani's case her mom cheated on her dad and ran away with her boyfriend.Mangalover911 03:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The Student Council
I think that for the character sections (a nice job on the character banner though!), the other members of Yuki's student council should be given a subtitle along with "Tohru and Friends" and "The Sohmas". Although not part of the central plot, they nevertheless are an important side-group. Aside from all the humorous breaks that they provide, but they also develop Yuki's character. --Piffleprincess 04:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea to me. Go ahead!--Tally Solleni 17:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

List of characters
The way that the characters have been displayed has changed quite a bit over the last little while. Originally, there was a brief description of the characters, then that was taken out to be replaced with the character template (which contained all the characters), and now the characters are listed in a list style. I'd rather than we go back to having the template in there, than what is currently being used. There doesn't seem to be any logical order to the list on how the characters are being displayed. The template, when it replaced all the brief character descriptions, seemed to be out of place a little, but I still think that it's better than what we have now. If anyone has any qualms with this, let me know otherwise I'll be taking out the list and putting the template back in. (Actually, I liked the character descriptions better... but I'm sure there was a valid reason to change it... though not explained. If I had my druthers, I would go back to the brief character descriptions, but I'll settle for the template for now.) --Miss Ethereal 20:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and did this, as I received no objections. --Miss Ethereal 14:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hum, the previous character list looked less-than-decent, yes, but dropping a template into the middle of the article like that looks bad, too. :S There are better alternatives. We could use InuYasha as an example; they have a seperate article called InuYasha characters and link to it under the Characters subheading. Not a bad idea, in my opinion, I propose we do the same thing for this article. :9 I'm gonna go ahead with this in a few days unless I recieve any objections. --Fnar(talk) 19:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be adverse to that. As I stated earlier, I liked it better when there were those brief character descriptions so creating a separate page may be the best alternative.  For now though, the awkward template may work better (I don't understand why the table was ordered that way, whereas the template has some kind of order).  --Miss Ethereal 20:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. :9 For the most part, the new article is recycled information from the Fruits Basket revision history. In otherwords, there have been new volumes released, and certain character descriptions need to be updated.--Fnar(talk) 13:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent! I'm sure it'll be copy-edited and revised multiple times over!  :P  --Miss Ethereal 14:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Clarification on Naohito's crush
It is claimed in the article that Naohito's crush is the president of the Yuki Fan Club. Could anyone please confirm this? Also, is it referring to Motoko (the current president) or Minami (the future president)?--Tally Solleni 21:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that it was shown in the manga (a chapter not yet published in the U.S. I'll have to check back to see specifically which chapter it was).  It was Motoko, who, in that chapter, was on the verge of graduating.--DrGeoduck 23:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Main characters peice
Do we really have to have that section there? I mean, you can just click on their names in the character template at the bottom of the page, or search for fruits basket characters.  K  yo cat   (Talk) 04:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Naming
Since TokyoPop shows names in Western order, I will switch them around to Western order. I also will un-capitalize the last-names. --WhisperToMe 23:24, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Is akito sohma really female (wasn't a doujinshi scan, was it)?


 * Yes s/he is. It was an actual manga scan from chapter 100ish or something. --Kimun 04:44, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * It was chapter 97, I think.


 * S/he doesn't really look female... (referring to the body)

Yes, akito is female they tell you at volume 17 but doesn't look like it.Mooncrest 23:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Characters
Should each main Fruits Basket character have his/her own page? This is the case for InuYasha, and Fruits Basket is very popular as well. The character descriptions could be shortened, and details can be moved to the appropriate pages. -- Sango 123  23:30, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * The usual criterion is whether the split off pages would be stubs or not. If they aren't then go ahead, but you'd probably want a picture for each, IMO, to seal the deal. --Maru (talk) Contribs 00:07, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I love FB, don't get me wrong, but it's not as popular as Inuyasha, and Inuyasha has over 150 episodes. FB stopped at like 30. So they probably sgouldn't have separate pages until the manga at least hits about Vol. 20.

I just want to know if there is anyone out there that can tell me who is in love with Tohru and who she loves back? It is mentioned that in the end of ch. 125, Yuki is holding hands with Machi Kuragi, so... that means Kyo is the one who gets Tohru? - I'm going mad without knowing that information :s, please help me! - Io-chan. (201.124.89.145 Talk)


 * I think the characters already have their own pages, actually...with pix on them. If you go to Fruits Basket Characters there's a brief description of them, if you go to Tohru Honda, under 'story' it tells who Tohru ends up wiv. I would put it here, but not everyone wants to spoil the end (there's a spoiler warning on Tohru's page). there's also a bunch of other details in there too... =D I couldna wait for the bks to come out so I know what happens...~Sushi 06:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Tohru Honda is with Kyo Sohma and Yuki is with Machi,since she understands his feelings.I also know that machi and yuki have the similer problems with their families that concludes that their families care more about their image then their own child.if you have anymore questions about this topic than visit my propfile and i will see what i can do for you.Mangalover911 03:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

"Last Chapter"?
The Kyo Sohma page says that "the few remaining chapters will focus on the other romantic relationships..." Does this mean that the series is about to end? Is there any evidence to the next few chapters being the last? I don't want it to end yet!!! T_T Alcnolien 01:04, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Unsubstantiated rumors state that the series will end at volume 22, or 131 chapters total. And while I have not read any confirmation of that rumor, the series certainly seems to be wrapping up.24.18.92.14 01:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, chapter 131 is out in Japan, and it isn't the last. Chapter 132 will be published on September 5th.  So how many chapters are left?  Only Takaya-sensei knows. DrGeoduck 19:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, it says tha chapter 136 is the final chapter. Yes, I don't want the series to end, yet, but it can't go on forever.............

It is on chapter 100 or so in the U.S.


 * The manga ended August 2006 in Japan It is on book 16 in the US.  Neopetslovette 17:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The final chapter is 136, volume 23. However, I'm not sure if it's been released in tankubon format yet.. Lenners 18:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Bias?
"Mine still is one of the sweetest, most kind characters in the entire series and has never seen frowning as of yet." This sounds a bit biased to me. First off, saying that someone is 'sweet' or 'kind' is an opinion, not a fact; as such, it definitely does not belong in an encyclopedia. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that we see her frowning (or at least looking very sad) a few times in volume 8, so even the frowning thing is not correct.--Tally Solleni 14:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If it sounds subjective, than remove it and just remark on her character. Like how Tohru is naieve, but for this particular character instead. --Miss Ethereal 14:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * "has never seen frowning as of yet" that part is true, and the other part is even written in the notes by Takaya. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poserlkg (talk • contribs) 00:33, August 26, 2007 (UTC)


 * That's not true. Look in volume 8, page 156 (chapter 47).  In the first panel, Mine is definitely frowning.  It's a flashback, but it's certainly there.  Furthermore, if Natsuki Takaya described Mine as sweet or kind, we need to say "Takaya describes Mine as sweet and kind in chapter x", not "Mine is sweet and kind".  We'll also need to cite the source for this comment from Takaya- what were the volume, chapter, and page numbers for the note you mentioned?  See Citing sources for guidelines and further information.--Tally Solleni 20:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Manga Chapters/Volumes
In the article it says that the anime ends at approximately the end of volume 6 but it doesn't say what chapter that is. I have no idea, someone please find out? Maybe there could be a section on which chapter is in which volume? JT 09:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

the final episode is of chapter 33 in volume 6, but the chap 36 (yuki visits ayame's shop) is also an episode. and in each volume there are six chapters (so it goes vol.1-chpt1-6 vol.2-chpt.7-12, ect.) Since the anime's final episode is a little diffrent from the manga i guess you could say mid-final eppy = chpt.33. --68.81.88.109 05:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Volume 6 chapters 31-33. It's when Kyo transforms to his "true form" but in the manga volume 6 she didn't ask to go to visit Akito Sohma.In the manga they have different timing of when Yuki visits Ayames shop and etc. becuase they finished the anime first before the manga.Mooncrest 13:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

What is the rating?
Is FB a clean anime? Can it be recommended for young children? --JDitto 22:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm...Actually, it's based more towards 13 and up. It can contain bad words and mild sexual jokes, but it's not VERY dirty or violent. I think it can be recommended towards kids 10 and up. I think. Oh and it has some mild violence, but no blood. The great things about it is that it's a great romance/comedy, with lots of beautiful drama and hilarious comedic parts. Hope this helped. ¡Adios! Kyo cat 00:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Mild sexual jokes? You mean stuff in the manga is passed on to the cartoon as well? --JDitto 06:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Uhh....I think? Kyo cat 22:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, not everything. Fruits Basket is still being published in Japan....oh you mean the sexual jokes!! Well, yes they do, but very rarely. Like I said, they are not dirty or nasty, just moderate and not meant to offend anyone. Although watch out with episode 13. I've read that chapter in the manga, and I'm pretty sure the violence, language and sexual nature (not what you think!)is still there. Kyo cat 23:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, it's been a while since I've been here. Seeing what I said back then, I think I mixed up "Fruits Basket" with another graphic novel I was currently interested in. Thank you so much for your assistance Kyo, because I wasn't quite sure whether this story was okay enough to share with my sibling, seeing the last time I gave her the okay I accidentally led her to be obsessed with demons and murder. --JDitto 04:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You're very much welcome. Naruto isn't that bad....for a teenager ;-). I hope you get to read Fruits Basket (or watch it)! -- Tohru  Honda 13Sign here! 20:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Mangalover911: The rating is for 13 and up.It does have blood but it is very little unlike other manga. it have mild everything.Mangalover911 19:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Mangalover--that's really the answer I was looking for. It's nice to know it's a great book. Yeah, I think I got Fruits Basket mixed up with Ranma ½, hehehe. Thanks again. --JDitto 02:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Anime and manga relations
One section of the article states that the anime follows the manga up to Volume Eight. Another part says that the anime follows the manga up to Volume Six. Never having read the manga, I wouldn't know which is right, so can anyone confirm which one of these statements is correct? Raven23 14:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The last episode where Kyo transforms into a monster is indeed up to volume six, but there are characters that are introduced farther than volume six. Kisa and Hiro Sohma are introduced in volume 7, while Ritsu Sohma was introduced in volume eight. Since Ritsu is the last to be revealed, it is safe to say that the anime is up to volume eight of the manga. The anime just switched around character introductions so that Kyo's transformation would be the last episode. -- Tohru  Honda Sign here! 21:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Is kureno revealed at all in the anime?

need sources for Natsuki Takaya and Daichi Akitaro comments regarding anime.
At the beginning of 2006, however, Natsuki Takaya and Daichi Akitaro announced in two separate interviews that there will not be any more work on the anime for a number of reasons.

There need to be sources for this. There has been nothing posted to any of the major internet anime sites regarding such comments. The most recent interview with Natsuki Takaya i could find was the one she did for Time Magazine And there was no mention of the anime there. DyloniusFunk 17:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll try to look into that, thanks for the tip. ♥ Tohru Honda13  ♥ 22:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Try checking out Japanese articles. I know for sure it was never released in any English magazines but have no idea what magazines in Japan they've done interviews for. The new Banquet book has a full interview with Takaya about the series, so we might be able to use that as a source if it mentions the anime.SephNoir 11:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Editing disabled?
I noticed that. It doesn't bother me or anything; I was just wondering why. Raven23 13:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Same here. Orthodoxy 19:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like coz of edit warning. --DarkfireTaimatsu 09:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I wonder, it worked out ok for me.76.223.99.179 15:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Second anime
I read somewhere that they might make a continuation (is that a word?) of the anime series now that the manga is all finished. Is that true?

No, I don't think so because I read somewhere that the editors and Natsuki Takya though about that but it was too much work. I will have to check with my mangas if it said that somewhere but that's all I heard.Continuation is a word :D Mooncrest 19:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

No curently there is not going to be a second season last I heard was that there will be a second season if they can get the directer (Akitaro Daichi. I think that is his name) to do it then yes there will be, but don't get your hopes up just yet he said that he put his heart and soul into the first season and won't do a second. So unless they convince him that he should finish the serise he put his "heart and soul" into then no there won't be a second season.Smileyface 12 91 00:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

What she said,there is a petition to bring the anime back though.I'll try to find it.Mooncrest 23:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Kazuma Sohma is NOT THE Rooster
To the anonymous person who keeps on editing the Anime Voice Cast list: Kazuma Sohma is not the Rooster. He is not in the Chinese zodiac at all. The character you are thinking of is Kureno, who is not in the anime, and who therefore does not belong in the anime voice cast list. -DrGeoduck 01:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is true. Take a look at http://viewer.daily-manga.net/Fruits%20Basket/ There are scanlations of the manga there.Nightflower 23:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yuki's power
Some people say that Hatori Sohma is the only one with the abitity to erase one's memory, but doesn't Yuki Sohma do that too?It shows him erasing a memory of a man who saw Kagura Sohma change into a Pig in volume one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.23.173.229 (talk • contribs).
 * I'm pretty sure he was just covering the man's eyes to prevent him from seeing the transformation. -DrGeoduck 19:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

No, he saw.I read the first book and he said "Enchant his memories away..." so I'm pretty sure he has that power. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.23.173.229 (talk • contribs).
 * I'm quite confident that the "Enchant his memories away" bit was a joke about Yuki's extraordinary personal magnetism (notice how much the paperboy in question is blushing at being in such close quarters with Yuki). Besides, Takaya-sensei established that Hatori's memory-erasing ability was learned (Hatori learned it from his father)--and I find it impossible to believe that Yuki would ever learn the ability after the traumatic incident from his childhood where Hatori's ability took all of Yuki's friends away.-DrGeoduck 15:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Yuki Has no memory erasing powers all he was doing was covering up they'er "ever faithful paper boys" eyes just like DrGeoduck said. And Hatori’s powers are only that of hypnosis it says so in one of the books (can't think of it right now). When you see Hatori erases Kana's Memory he doesn't event say "Enchant his (or her) memories away...". Smileyface 12 91 21:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Is there any more information on this because I think that he does and was just saying that for fun while getting rid of his memory.- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.104.157 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 1 September 2007
 * If Yuki had the hypnosis ability of Hatori, Takaya-sensei would have mentioned it in one of her margin talks or the fan books. She did not do so.  And as I pointed out earlier, I find it impossible to believe that even if Yuki had the hypnosis ability that he would use it, due to the trauma he suffered earlier in his life.-DrGeoduck 14:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't Shigure be a main character?
I realize he doesn't play as important a part of the plot development as Yuki or Kyo, but it seems to me that Shigure should be mentioned as a main character. In the animated series I believe he is the first member of the household we meet, and is responsible for inviting Tohru into the house. He is one of the three members of the house, at least until Tohru arrives to make it four. He appears in every episode of the animated series, from what I can tell anyway, and generally serves as the peacemaker when the inevitable spats break out. In most, perhaps all, synopses of the series the group of four is talked about as a single unit with the rest of the characters appearing and disappearing over time. It seems off that he is not mentioned! Maury 13:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

'''Kyo, Yuki, and Tohru are considered the main characters. Shigure, later on in the manga, becomes a smaller part shown in the story. Though he plays a major role, he isn't focused upon as well as the other three.''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.185.70.19 (talk) 13:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually the author considers Shigure to be one of the main characters. In the vol.18, in the column about Kisa (p.135 in the Spanish version), the author specifically says that the main characters are Tohru, Kyo, Yuki and Shigure. I think that the author's oppinion should take precendence. Jota Be 11:52, 10-25-07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.144.85.160 (talk) 09:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Fruits Basket Fan Book -Cat-
A fan book has been released! It only explains what has happened up to book 17. It is not only about the "cat" or Kyou. Direct quote is, "We called it the "cat" book so it would be like Kyo-kun: not quite apart of the Chinese zodiac, but loved by all fans!" The cover has Tohru hugging cat Kyou and Rat Yuki standing on her shoulder and holding onto her neck. It contains stickers, some colored pictures, step by step directions on how Natsuki Takaya makes colored illustrations, selected Fruits Basket merchandise, the tale of the zodiac, then chapter 1 has Diagrams: Furuba character relationship diagrams, Story: The events of Furuba, Background: the mysteries and laws of Furuba, and Interview (part 1): Written interview with Natsuki Takaya (part 1). Chapter 2 has character bios in the order of Tohru Honda, Kyoko and Katsuya Honda, Yuki Sohma, Kyo Sohma, Shigure Sohma, Kagura Sohma, Momiji Sohma, Hatori Sohma, Hatsuharu Sohma, Ayame Sohma, Kisa Sohma, Hiro Sohma, Ritsu Sohma, Isuzu Sohma, Kureno Sohma, Akito Sohma, Arisa Uotani, Saki Hanajima, and others (class mates, class representitive, "Cinderella" script writer, the delinquents, Arisa Uotani's sempai, Mayuko Shiraki's mother, and the Sohma Family Head's Personal Maid.) If you noticed, the same order the books have been released excluding Kyoko and Katsuya. Chapter 3 contains School life: operations of the student council, Kakeru Manabe, Machi Kuragi, Prince Yuki Club operations, and School functions. Knowledge: Furuba Trivia, Gallery: Monochrome Chapter Intro and page gallery. Chapter 4 has: Contest Results: Furuba themed reader contest results. Personality test: Furuba themed personalitiy test, Quizzes: Furuba themed quizzes and puzzles (answers on a seperate page), Fortune Telling: Furuba themed Jusanashi fortune telling, and Game of life: Furuba themed game of life. Finally Chapter 5. This has the second part of the written interview with Natsuki Takaya and comics a.k.a the "Sohma family journal". It is finished with a list of works by Natsuki Takaya. The comics are hillarious in my opinion. There is one with Shigure and Tohru, one with Ayame, Mine, and Yuki, one with Kyo and Hanajima in regards to Kazuma, one with Arisa and Kureno (the funniest in my opinion *starts giggling*), one with the mabudachi trio, one with Ritchan and Mitchan (^^ so cute!), one with the student council (you gotta admit, that is ALWAYS interesting. hahaha.), and the final one is with Kyo's thoughts (close second in funniest again, in my opinion, but tied with the student council.) Oh, there is also a journal for Fruits Basket. And I don't know if anyone will be able to find this but i saw some lip gloss in a Tohru Container. Back to the fan book. It is awesome, I love it, every one who has borrowed it either with my permission or trying to get it without my permission (I will chase you to the ends of the earth if you try that again!!!!!!!) and it is atleast worth a LOOK at if you are interested in it. If you are head over heels in love with the series like me, then you will end up buying it for two reasons. 1) It's Fruits Basket and, 2) In the bookstore down here, it came wrapped in packaging, so you couldn't read it in the store. I don't know if it will be like that every where since I haven't been to all the states since I got it but, it is probably likely. But, that doesn't matter since you will love it anyway. ^^-Mangetsuyuki on 9/27/07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.33.30 (talk) 01:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI, the talk page is for discussing the article itself, not the series in general. This kind of thing belongs in an Amazon.com review rather than here.--Tally Solleni 17:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

?
Who was Machi's brother's girlfriend? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooncrest (talk • contribs) 18:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think he has one.Smileyface 12 91 19:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah he does.He calls her "meat angel" but I can't remeber her name.


 * Her name is Komaki. There's already a bit on her on the Fruits Basket characters page.--Tally Solleni 17:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Art change?
I was wondering about the sudden change in style of the manga, from shorter noses and faces to really long ones. I can't see Kyo as being recognizable as Kyo anymore. Did the artist ever mention anything about this? Did the artist change??

67.83.61.148 (talk) 02:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

She said that she made them(kyo and yuki) taller but that's pretty much it.Mooncrest (talk) 19:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't really look that way to me, the faces definetly look like they've changed. When did she say that? And was it in the manga book? 67.83.61.148 (talk) 04:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The artist didn't change. Takaya simply modified the character's faces bit by bit as the story went on, to indicate that they were growing.  (FullMetal Alchemist did something similar.)  Thus, at first, the faces are sort of round, but they get longer and thinner as the series progresses.
 * At the beginning of chapter 1, Yuki, Kyou, and Tohru are about 15-16, but they're more like 18 at the end of the series, so it does seem like some changes would be justified.
 * The art style itself did change early on in the story (compare volume 1 to volume 4, for example), maybe because Takaya wasn't very experienced, but it mostly solidified at about volume 15. So basically, my theory is "growing characters + inexperienced artist".
 * As for the taller thing, in volume 9, Takaya comments with something along the lines of "Yuki and Kyou are steadily growing taller; I'm glad that some readers have noticed this." Shigure also jokes about it in volume 12.--Tally Solleni 17:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

She wasn't really an inexperienced artist, though. She wrote Gen'ei Muso, Tsubasa o Motsu Mono and Boku ga Utau to Kimi wa Warau kara all before Fruits Basket. I think that means she knew how to draw manga. I know you'll delete this comment in an instant, but I just had to say it.

soundtracks
It seems to me that the article can stand to have a section on the sound track compact discs.--Nbahn 11:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The soundtracks should be included in the article. AnmaFinotera (talk) 07:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Clean up
In an effort to improve the article and bring it more in-line with the anime/manga and main manual of styles, clean up has begun on the article. Some headings have been fixed, text rearranged, and some stuff removed. If there are any disagreements with removals or changes, please bring them up here.

Additional clean up/improvements I see as being required and plan to implement unless consensus says otherwise:


 * Add standard DVD release table
 * Create List of Fruits Basket episodes and List of Fruits Basket chapters
 * Rename Fruits Basket characters to List of Fruits Basket characters - done!
 * Merge individual character articles into list as per WP:FICT and the results of many character article deletions in AfD
 * Major reference improvements; this is a fairly recently series and the manga is still being released so should be relatively easy to source the article
 * Copyedit per MOS
 * Get rid of the Fruits Basket template - unnecessary and somewhat circular TfD declined until clean up is finished - rework if enough FB pages remain after clean up is done to support

If anyone has any thoughts, feedback, or other suggestions, feel free to share. AnmaFinotera (talk) 07:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Go for it -- it's been on my list of things to do, but haven't gotten to. I think, though, you may have gone overboard with whacking the thematic bits; yes, it had no citations, but it'd be better to tag as unsourced and possible OR, and give the editors who added it a good-faith chance to back it up with references -- and it's one type of real-world analysis and information that fiction articles need. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I debated whacking it for quite a bit before doing so because it is something sadly missing in most anime and manga articles. I'm going to put it back here in the talk page to see if sources can be found so it can be put back.  :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW, shouldn't we get around to creating a list of published manga and anime episodes? —Quasirandom (talk) 02:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, both are on my to-do list unless you want to go ahead. :) I've put off some work on this because I don't want to get anymore spoiled on the ending than I already have :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll add the manga to my list. Since I've already read the scans to the end, I'm already spoiled (and since I'm rereading the official volumes while I recover from this cold, the story's on my mind). Whoever gets to them first, I suppose. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool :) If you don't beat me to it, I'll try to get to the episodes later this week. After doing List of Lassie episodes, my brain is episoded out :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There -- stub of the chapters list, with much to fill in. —Quasirandom (talk) 08:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There -- all the pub info and lead straightened out. All that's left is summaries and a couple small tidbits of info, and this will be done. Possibly even ready for FLC. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The episode list is now all prepped for future FLC. Just needs episode summaries and some basic copyediting. :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Yay list! When we finish our summaries, let's trade copyedits by way of being outside eyes. That'll be at least a week, though, at the rate I'm going. I think after that, our next priority should be in the main article, expanding the Reception with sourced commentary on the series as a whole from reviewers, and sourcing and reintroducing those theme sections you removed. Possibly using many of those same sources. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Works for me (and the same for me on time line). Also agree on the main article, though I'll be trying to avoid the plot and character stuff myself to avoid the spoilers :)  We should be able to do good reception and production detail sections, though.  The DVDs have some production related extras, and being one of the top anime series, Fruits Basket has lots of sourcable reception info. Now the theme section may be a bigger hurdle, as sourcing is needed. It is "ol" enough to be in some of the anime/manga encycs, but not sure if they do any thematic discussion (had to return the books as they were overdue...now gotta pay the fine before I can get them again LOL). AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * One more task to add to the clean-up list: the template. It currently links only to the individual character articles, without a link to the actual List of characters -- and, of course, doesn't have the new lists. Not to mention, will need revising again once character articles get merged. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

There -- finished my self-edit of the list of chapters, which still has some volume descriptions that are longer than I'd like. AnmaFinotera, are you willing to copyedit it or are you still avoiding spoilers? If the latter, are you at least willing to comment on the formatting and other material? If not, no worries -- I can put in for peer review. Or someone else here can join in. —Quasirandom (talk) 05:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm still trying to avoid anymore spoilers. :) Giving it a very quick scan, is it necessary to note the Singapore releases? From my understanding, we only should list the first English release, then mention any other releases as part of the lead. We never list the UK or Australian releases in Chapter lists (that I've seen), so I don't think the Singapore ones should be added. Also, for the first paragraph of the lead, should the dual language editions be mentioned that were released in Japan? They had English and language, I believe to help people learn English. AnmaFinotera (talk) 09:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The dual langauge releases definitely should be mentioned -- hadn't known about those; do you have any info on them? As for the Singapore releases, yes, I think they should be mentioned as they're a separate edition/translation; also, I note, some of the volumes are first English release. I'm of the mind that all English editions (not counting reprints/reissues) ought to be treated equally on the English Wikipedia. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...if the Singapore ones are going to stay, though, I think the formatting will need to be changed a little, as it looks a little off right now. Either way, may want to ask at the project, since it will probably come up in any peer review and the FLC. Also, just noticed, the date formatting needs to be consistent, so the English dates should be changed to mmmm dd, yyyy, and the Japanese dates should not be wikified if they are just month year per the MOS. :)


 * For the dual language...let's see. It looks like it was one volume and released in November 2003 by Hakusensha as part of their English line. Contained the first three chapters with the English translation appearing with the Japanese. ISBN 978-4592732150. Here is the WorldCat Plus listing for it: http://webcatplus-equal.nii.ac.jp/libportal/DocDetail?txt_docid=NCID%3ABA77212275 AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Coo -- thankee for the research I just used wholesale. I'll put in for a peer review, specifically asking for help with the formatting. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No prob...I may have to import that one day. Would be kinda cool to maybe be able to learn Japanese that way :D AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed. I hope I can find a dual-language Yotsuba&! when I get far enough to be useful. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Circling around to this list again: AnmaFinotera, were there any other character articles you were thinking of merging? Or can that item be struck off? —Quasirandom (talk) 20:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * My personal view is all of them, unless they have been cleaned up to meet WP:FICT and focus more on real-world coverage and not just plot. I haven't looked at most in-depth to avoid those infamous spoilers, but all the ones I saw fail WP:FICT. AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. Some of them, yeah -- Ritsu for one, who even Takaya admits has not much of a role in the story. But, possibly, could we hold off on compiling a list until I finish the character list cleanup? As part of that, I'll be adding as much reviewer material as possible, which ought to shake out the notable ones. At the very least, I expect the central three, and likely Akito and Shigure as well, to pass WP:FICT with flying colors. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:27, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I note, btw, that for many of the characters, I've been sourcing as much as possible information based on author notes, including development info such as the origin of the zodiac characters' names. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I've noticed :) You're doing a great job, BTW! The main then to remember with WP:FICT, though, is that the notability has to come from non-primary sources, so notability has to be established apart from Takaya's notes. I suspect Tohru, at the least, will pass because of extensive discussion on her character type, and probably the other four you mentioned as well.  I'm fine with holding off until you finish the clean up though. :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly, about the external references being needed for WP:FICT. I'd work on them now, but if I don't do this linearly, I'll start tripping over myself and lose things. Be nice, though, if we had more than two sources for reviews, even though there's multiple ones from each. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Themes
This is the theme section that was in the article. I've removed it due to it being completely unsourced. Let's see if we can't find some sources for it so it can go back. This is an awesome section that really should be found in more anime/manga articles, so I hate having to lose it to do it giving the appearance of being pure WP:OR because of the lack of cites. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Rejection and Acceptance
Many characters experience some kind of alienation, either from society or their own families. Tohru Honda, the main character, has always been somewhat of an outcast, evidenced by her exclusion from her classmates games and their teasing as a child. Another very prominent case of isolation is Kyo Sohma's. Kyo, as the person possessed by the spirit of the cat, has been shunned by the Sohma family since he was born. Many other characters, including Momiji and Rin, have been rejected by their parents.

Many characters, however, find acceptance during the run of the story. Tohru finds the Sohmas, who all cherish her like family. Kyo finds Tohru, who loves him despite his faults. The same is true for the majority of the other characters, such as Hiro, who finds acceptance from his mother, an overenthusiastic parent, as well as Kisa, the girl he loves.

Gender Stereotypes/Identity
This series plays on the issue of gender roles and identity with a number of different characters. For example, several male characters cross-dress or display a higher than 'normal' level of femininity.

The most vivid (and secretive) case of a gender identity issue occurs with the head of the Sohma family, Akito. Traditionally, the head of the family in Japanese culture is male, so when the Sohma family discovers that the child who is to be the god-spirit for the cursed members of the Sohma family is to be a female, Akito's mother insists that they raise her as a male. (She insists this for a number of reasons, but the reason that Akito's mother gives that we are concerned with is that it would "cause problems" for their family to have a female heir.) For this reason, Akito has been raised to behave and let others know her as a male despite her biological gender being contrary to that. This secret is known to only a few select members of the family.

Examples of cross-dressing occur with the characters Momiji, Ayame, and Ritsu Sohma. Yuki, an already feminine-looking character, is dressed up in a girl's outfit during a school function (much to his dismay), Momiji prefers wearing girl's clothes and even goes so far as to only wear a girl's uniform to his high school, Ayame, a 'fashion' designer, embraces his feminine looks and choice of attire, and Ritsu, a very insecure character, finds himself most comfortable when wearing women's clothes.

Suppression
Because of the curse, many people who would be happy together cannot admit their feelings, or else must leave them behind. Hatori and Kana, Hatori and Mayuko, Momiji and Momo, Kisa and Hiro, Rin and Haru, and Kureno and Arisa Uotani are some examples.

Madman Import
Does anyone have a source for Madman using the English version from Singapore rather than Tokyopop's? Considering they have an importation agreement with TP, I find it odd they wouldn't use the TP versions instead, but I can't find a source either way. AnmaFinotera (talk) 07:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The editions indicate that; note that the Madman ISBNs have Singapore area prefix, rather than US like their Tokyopop imports. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Akito, biologically male in the anime?
Per the article, "The anime also presents Akito as biologically male..." What is that based on? -DrGeoduck (talk) 22:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Appearance and voice maybe? Don't really know a reference for it. The manga portrays Akito as a guy at the point in the story where the anime ended, so I think it was probably intended to portray her as a guy. --Eruhildo (talk) 23:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * In the last episode, Akito is shown partially clothed and with a male's body. In the manga, up to the point the anime stops, Akito was referred to as male, so it is believed the producers didn't realize the later plot twist would be coming with Akito being female. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We probably should put a citation to the episode on that tidbit, both here and in the character articles. Since I haven't gotten to that episode yet (curse you, Netflicks, and your slow mail times!) are you up for it? —Quasirandom (talk) 03:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done here. Akito's character article is in such bad shape, I couldn't find the place to add it there. :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll work on that. The character articles are my task for the next week (if not longer). —Quasirandom (talk) 15:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing more than week unless you are on vacation...wooo...if Akito's is any indication from just the quick look I did :( AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Not only not on vacation, but still under deadline. I'll start with the easy parts: the merges, once the ArbCom injunction lifts RSN. The character articles are, shall we say, highly variable at the moment. Akito isn't quite the worst, but close to it. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Reception:References
In case they'll be useful to anyone working on the Reception section, here's a couple review links I've been hording saving, for sifting through:


 * Manga: volume 16
 * Anime: DVD 1, DVD 3, DVD 4

Feel free to add to this list, for collaborative purposes. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL, I totally forgot to check this page before starting, and still ended up using most of those. :) I've done a huge expansion to the reception section. Feel free to give feedback and do any clean up/reordering of the content if you think it needs it. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Coo. Will look at over the weekend. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

A search in Google Scholar pops up some interesting hits, including this one. Behind a paywall, unfortunately, but possibly worth tracking down. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...it seems Miss Choo was a grad student when she wrote that. I checked A&M and Austin UT's libraries and databases but it doesn't look like either has it on file, so it must not have been her final dissertation. :( AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a conference paper -- available as part of the procedings thereof or, apparently, separately. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Something else to keep an eye on, maybe note. Fruits Basket has been nominated for a 2008 Seiun Award in the manga catagory. http://www.sfawardswatch.com/?p=711 has the English announcement, while http://www.sf-fan.gr.jp/awards/ is where the winner will eventually be reported. Interesting to see FB nominated for a Sci Fi award :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Innnteresting. The Seuin Award tends to be, if anything, more biased towards hard SF than the Hugo. Or at least that's the general perception, though both Cardcaptor Sakura and From Far Away have won in the last decade. And Furuba is popular. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It occurs to me that I should mention some additional links to reviews I've been using in the character articles, for use in the general Reception section -- if someone has a chance to distill them before I do. The two mainstream notices ought to be particularly useful.


 * manga: About.com v1 and v17, Manga Life v1 (which is, okay, thin edge of WP:RS)
 * anime: Animation World Network, IGN, UK Anime (different review than one already used), T.H.E.M. Anime

A variety of reviews sources is, I think, important for demonstrating the series notability -- currently only three are used. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * One more: ANN intelligently reviews v19. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Character articles
The character articles only seem to be concerned with the manga portrayals of the characters. Could someone put up more info on how the characters are depicted in the anime? -TheHande (talk) 23:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We're working on that. The list, I've been adding/citing info based on the manga because that's what I have at the moment; I'll be adding anime information based on reviewers once I finish this pass. I note, though, that the individual character articles tend to have a anime bias, except for ones where they are more active after volume 8. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments of Tohru Honda?
I figure before applying for a formal peer review of Tohru Honda, as part of getting ready for a good article candidacy, I'd ask here for any comments on the article. I know there's more than can be written about the character's development -- specifically, comments from the anime director and voice actor available on the DVDs -- but what else? The guideline I've tried to write to is WP:MOS-AM. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Template cleanup
Mentioning here for those who might not have it on your watchlist -- we're discussing what to do with the navbox over at Template talk:Fruits Basket. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Komaki
About Komaki her father was driving the car that killed Kyoko.Mooncrest (talk) 00:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Um...and...what does that have to do with the article? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought it should be added to kyoyo's article or Komaki's.Mooncrest (talk) 22:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Neither of them have articles. It is mentioned in List of Fruits Basket characters, where Komaki is also mentioned as she is a minor character. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Dang it, I was saying the same thing and got caught in a edit conflict. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh,ok. I didn't see that info there before so I was just telling you. ^^" My bad.Mooncrest (talk) 19:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

"Romance" --> "Romantic comedy"?
I've read the first ten volumes of the series, and the recent attempt at adding Comedy as a genre made me think, is there any reason this couldn't be a Romantic comedy? If it's changed as such, I think we'd also be able to get rid of the Drama genre as redundant. Thoughts? — Dino guy  1000  20:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've read up to volume 20. The problem here is that Fruits Basket can't be pigeonholed into any particular genre. At one point, it's a comedy. At another point, it is a romance story. And then in another point, particularly in the latter chapters, it is a drama. Tokyopop does label the series as a romance, so that should probably state. But I'm not sure about how to handle the other two. --Farix (Talk) 21:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Reviews frequently call out that it's a drama and a romance and has comedy elements, praising Nakaya's ballancing all those elements. It's rarely described as a romantic comedy itself, especially by reviewers who've gotten to the later volumes where angst gets really cranked up. I'd personally oppose compressing romance and comedy into romantic comedy, especially since the comedy is usually not attached to the romantic arcs. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm... fair enough, then, just goes to show my own (lack of) understanding concerning genres. I should really take the time to learn about them better at some point. — Dino guy  1000  21:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Quasirandom on that. Just because there are romantic elements and comedic elements in the story doesn't mean that it is a romantic comedy. Especially since the two don't frequently correlate with each other. --Farix (Talk) 21:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I also have to agree. When I think romantic comedy, Fruits Basket is the last title I'd think of. I don't particularly even like calling it a comedy, though it has comedic elements (particularly the anime and early manga volumes). As Quasirandom notes, the comedy rarely has anything to do with the romance, and the romantic situations themselves are far from comedic. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OTOH, I can see adding Comedy as well, because of the anime. There's a reasonable case to be made that this is one of those series where we need more than 3 genres. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I note that the lead of the episode list, which I think you wrote, calls it "part comedy-part drama." —Quasirandom (talk) 04:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * True, the anime is part comedy as it emphasizes the comedic elements more, while the manga is less so (though man, looking at it now, I think that sentence needs a visit from the grammar cops :P) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You could change "Drama" to Comedy-drama. There's even an animanga category for it.--Nohansen (talk) 04:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree as well. People, sometimes, make the mistake of assuming that a series featuring some "romance" and some "comedy" is automatically a "romantic comedy" (See My-HiME).--Nohansen (talk) 04:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That would have been me, until this discussion. I'll definitely be a lot more careful about combining "romance" and "comedy" from now on. =) — Dino guy  1000  16:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Furuba Commentary
I note the existence of this. May not have much you can't figure out on your own, but it should count as a reliable source for some details. Not to mention, that guides are getting published does enhance the series notability. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Reception workshop
The following are links to reviews of the series I collected last year and used to beef up the character list (and Tohru's article) with third-party commentary, but never got to adding to the main article. Since currently we rely on three four manga reviews only, that's a fairly major need. We need to also find reviews published since then (as well as by sources I didn't identify as reliable at the time).

Manga:
 * About.com: v1 | v17
 * ANN: v16 (used 3 times) | v19
 * MangaLife: v1
 * Mania: v1 (used 1 time) | v2 | v3 (used 1 time) | v4 | v5 | v6 | v7 | v8 | v9 | v11 | v12 | v13 | v14 | v15 | v21 (need updated URLs for all those)
 * UK Anime: manga series

Print source also used: Manga: The Complete Guide (not well-integrated into the section, though).

Anime:
 * ANN: DVD1 | DVD3 | DVD4 (used 2 times)
 * AWN (Fred Patten): series
 * IGN: series
 * Mania: series (used 2 times)
 * THEM Anime: series
 * UK Anime: series | series

Print source also used: Animerica.

Feel free to start incorporating these and/or adding to the list. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Japanese zodiac
As for Chinese zodiac and Japanese zodiac, the meaning is different. Animal's kind is also different. This manga is based on Japanese zodiac. Do not try to cover up the trait of Japan from manga of Japan. This manga is not Chinese manga. (60.39.32.107 (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)).


 * The only difference between the two zodiacs is that the Chinese Pig is Japanese boar, which is a minimal change and that's more-or-less the same thing. The Japanese zodiac is explicitly derived from the Chinese one, and is called the "Chinese zodiac" in Japanese. The curse animals are called the Chinese zodiac within the series, in the ancillary materials (such as the end-of-volume pages and the fanbooks), and in translator notes. All explicit indications we have aside from Kagura's animal form (and using that would be interpretation, and so original research is that it should be called Chinese zodiac. Because of this, I'm reverting your changes. Please discuss this here before continuing to edit the articles. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Please do not submit the false information. Word Chinese zodiac is not used in an original Japanese version. It is called, "Eto". (60.39.32.107 (talk) 19:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)).
 * This is the English Wikipedia, and we use the terms used in the official English translation. The most we could do is add the Japanese kanji (using the nihongo tag) to the first use of the term in this article. Doceirias (talk) 19:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

It is taken to the festival and the Shinto shrine, etc. in Japan and it has changed though you concluded that there is only a change from the boar from the Pig. Japanese zodiac is obviously a base in this manga. Why does it try to be erased from manga of Japan the trait of Japan? It is necessary to make it to Japanese zodiac if there is a difference between Japanese zodiac and Chinese zodiac. The reason to erase Japanese zodiac from manga of Japan is not found. (60.39.32.107 (talk) 19:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC))
 * 60.39.32.107, articles about subjects are tailored to English-speaking subjects. English-language versions of Fruits Basket refer to the zodiac as the "Chinese zodiac" - If you are saying that the zodiac is referred to differently in Japanese versions, you will have to cite the Japanese versions of the comic (provide author, Volume #, page number, chapter numbers, etc) AND post the exact text into the specific citation. Therefore we all can verify that this is the case. Even so, we will still refer to this as the "Chinese zodiac" throughout English-language Wikipedia articles - We will just note any differences in the Japanese version. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * http://www.hakusensha.co.jp/furuba/comics/comic02.html It is not called Chinese zodiac. It is called twelve zodiacal signs {jyunishi} ("Eto(干支)" was the one that jikkan(十干) was combined with jyunishi(十二支)). (60.39.32.107 (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC))


 * I've added 十二支 to the article after the first appearance of the term. Seems worth mentioning. Incidentally, the dictionary definition of Jūnishi is "the 12 signs of the Chinese zodiac" -- guess that's where this whole mess got started. Doceirias (talk) 22:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Therefore, Jyunishi is different as explained by the above-mentioned in Japan and China. The base of this manga is Japanese zodiac. Please do not let me say many times. It might be said that there is no zodiac peculiar to Japan in official of an English version. However, the original writer actually used Japanese zodiac. (60.39.32.107 (talk) 02:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)).


 * I understand your point. The dictionary definition is inaccurate, and that led to some of the confusion here. Also, the Japanese Wikipedia does have a page on Junishi, and it links to this English page: Earthly Branches. Perhaps this would be a more accurate place to pipe Chinese zodiac to? Doceirias (talk) 02:58, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It is amusing to call it Chinese zodiac though the Pig and the boar are different clearly. The stage of this work is Japan. If Chinese zodiac was adopted, the character and the face of Kagura might have been different very much. As for official of an English version, the reason of supporting the formula of an English version has been understood though it is strange. Please understand word Chinese zodiac etc. do not come out in a Japanese version. (60.39.32.107 (talk) 19:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC))
 * It would also be helpful find a source that defines the Japanese zodiac as not being the Chinese zodiac and/or says it is not proper to refer to a Japanese zodiac as a Chinese zodiac in the English language. BTW, Japanese zodiac does not exist as an article on here. I also checked Chinese zodiac and found that there is no corresponding Japanese Wikipedia article. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

http://ecolo21.kyo2.jp/e9366.html

It will be able to be understood that it is Japanese zodiac changed by the feature of not the Pig but boar. The American seems to like act of the cover-up of the culture of Japan though the cartoon of Japan is seen. (60.39.32.107 (talk) 02:37, 13 September 2009 (UTC)).


 * All English translations and all reliable sources call if the Chinese zodiac, including non-American sources and some Japanese sites with English translations. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. No one is covering up the culture of Japan, and other than the change in Kagura, there is no difference in the two. If you disagree, rant on a blog, but without a single reliable source that actually backs up your claim that the series is about the Japanese zodiac and not the Chinese, the articles will not be changed.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It makes a mistake therefore though it is declared that there is no difference except kagura at all. It changes by the culture of Japan, it intersects with Shintoism of Japan, and it has been cultivated in Japan for a long time. Judging it only from the appearance is narrow of view. I leave because there is no progress because it recognizes that an English official site is Chinese zodiac at all. Good-bye. (60.39.32.107 (talk) 03:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)).


 * We have to go by what reliable sources say. Original research essentially says that unsourced analysis is prohibited. We need specific references from reliable sources in order to say things. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Http://ecolo21.kyo2.jp/e9366.html

http://www.gld.mmtr.or.jp/~yuchan/etc/etojinja.htm http://sankei.jp.msn.com/region/kanto/ibaraki/091202/ibr0912021213004-n1.htm http://allabout.co.jp/travel/travelkyoto/closeup/CU20071211A/

this is a Shinto shrine of Shintoism. There is no Shintoism in China. Junishi(十二支) that junishi(十二支) that the Japanese regards and Chinese think about is different. Nevertheless, being explained Chinese zodiac is strange.211.129.120.25 (talk) 13:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Made a change
I made the change to where it says, "At the beginning of the story, Tohru Honda is living with the Sohma's..." That is incorrect. At the beginning of the story, Tohru is living in a tent on the Sohma's private property. Also, it was Shigure and Yuki that offered to take her in in exchange for housekeeping-Kyo didn't arrive until later pages. Feel free to change it back if you didn't like my edits. 66.60.210.32 (talk) 11:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Merger Discussion
Request received to merge articles: Music of Fruits Basket into Fruits Basket; Discussion below. Dated December 2015. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 15:07, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The suggestion to merge totally unreferenced content into an article doesn't sit too well with me. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * ❌ Music of Fruits Basket has been redirected elsewhere.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 00:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Star Sign and Blood Type
Character Star Sign Ref: Fruits Basket Uncovered

If you don't want to add this info that's fine with me.

Here you go. Mooncrest (talk) 19:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Tohru- Taurus
 * Yuki- Virgo
 * Kyo- Capricorn
 * Shigure- Virgo
 * Arisa- Aquarius
 * Saki- Aries
 * Kagura- Cancer
 * Momiji- Pisces
 * Hatroi- Cancer
 * Haru- Cancer
 * Kisa- Pisces
 * Hiro- Leo
 * Ayame- Sagittarius
 * Ritsu- Capricorn

Blood Type Same Ref.


 * Tohru- O
 * Yuki- A
 * Kyo- A
 * Shigure- AB
 * Arisa- O
 * Saki-AB
 * Kagura- B
 * Momiji- O
 * Hatori- O
 * Haru- O
 * Kisa- A
 * Hiro- AB
 * Ayame- O
 * Ritsu- AB


 * Their astrological signs are considered trivia type info, along with blood types and the like. Unless it directly relates/impacts the story, it isn't included. Also, you don't need to post messages both here and on my talk page. I will see them here as this page is in my watchlist. :)-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:05, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just trying to make it easier for you so you don't have to go back and fourth. Mooncrest (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

As I said before I won't make a big deal about it. One question, Will this info be still here?Mooncrest (talk) 20:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Here? Until it is archived yes. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Mooncrest (talk) 20:24, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This shouldn't be in the article. The characters follow the Chinese zodiac animal symbols. Their blood types and non-Chinese zodiac signs are not relevant. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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