Talk:Frum

Question
1. I always thought it literally means straight, and its opposite was crum (literally crooked). Are you sure this is correct?

2. OK, I was on craiglist in NYC tonight and I saw 2 personals ads from middle aged married men looing for a "frum" encounter with someone other than their wife. Now, if these people are very devout, Orthodox Jewish people, why are they looking for an out-of-wedlock encounter? Wouldn't that be against their religion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.150.4 (talk • contribs)


 * I'd assume (without actually having seen the ads) that a "frum" encounter means one that obeys religious precepts.  No adultery... probably not even any touching.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.42.71.182 (talk) 15:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) Frum does not mean straight in yiddish. The word would be Gleich.
 * 2) I haven't seen the ads, but sounds like they are looking for someone with a similar background as theirs, and if they are doing that then they are not being very devout. It's actually one of they greatest sins one can do. Shlomke (talk) 04:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I propose a new term
Frum, haredi, chassidic, lubavitch, etc = "FUNDAMENTAL JEWS" --184.161.152.198 (talk) 14:36, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Was this proposal from 2014 a serious suggestion for an edit to the article? If it is, it sounds like OR or a neologism anyway, and if not, it should probably not be here anyway because of WP:TALK and how this is not a forum. I'm wondering about just removing it as it adds nothing useful. DBaK (talk) 09:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * To add to this – if no-one opposes I will remove this section on or around 28 November as I think it breaches WP:TALK and I am not sure it doesn't have a slightly offensive ring to it. If you disagree, please say so. Thanks, DBaK (talk) 08:28, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

tzniut/Tziniut spellings and caps consistency
Following recent edits the article now has both tzniut and Tziniut, differently spelt and capitalized, both linked to Tzniut. I'm loth to start messing around with it myself as it is not my area, but would the article not be improved by our choosing a spelling/capitalization combination, applying it consistently, and unlinking the later one? It would be great if someone clued up could please tackle this. Failing that, I might have a go at it myself, (which is what BRD is for!) but you'll probably get a better result if it is initially done by someone else. I know that transliteration is not always an exact science ... but in-article consistency is usually a good thing! Best to all, DBaK (talk) 09:39, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I think tzniut is the more standard romanization, and tziniut is a corruption of tzeniut which is a more careful transliteration of the shva na. I don't think there's any reason to capitalize it. Ibadibam (talk) 18:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * DBaK I'll say that I have never heard it pronounced with a short "i" before. That's a new one to me. I do not know why one would require it to be capitalized either, as noted by Ibadibam. The addition of the apostrophized "tzni'ut" does make some sense, though, for the assistance it would provide in pronunciation for people who aren't as familiar with Hebrew. GreenEli (talk) 19:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks resolved now after intervention from other editors – thanks! DBaK (talk) 08:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)