Talk:Fugazi

Huh? Why is the main page for some band named after the concept, rather than being for the concept itself?
Shouldn't all this stuff be under Fugazi_(band), and the proper page for the actual military slang Fugazi? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.144.249.26 (talk) 14:59, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Instrument soundtrack
this entry needs a serious rehaul, i dont even see anything about their first full length "13 songs" cmon people listen to fugazi before you write an "encyclopedia" entrysatan

The instrument soundtrack does not appear to mentioned anywhere?

um..."13 songs" wasn't their first full-length album..."repeater" was. "13 songs" was their first two e.p. records combined. -corndogtown

Fan site
WorldofFugazi.org — A fugazi fan site ///--- the link seems to be dead (its the last one i think)

ae you serious? what about 13 songs? whoever wrote this never even listened to fugazi. douche


 * 13 songs is listed in the combined editions. Fugazi never entered the studio to record "13 songs", 13 songs is a combination of other EP.Diego.tercero (talk) 14:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Beginnings
"Picciotto originally only sang, Picciotto likened his role for the first two years, as that of a toaster but quickly incorporated his guitar playing into the quartet."

How, exactly, did Guy behave like a toaster? Can anyone provide a quote from him or from a book explaining this quote in more detail?

"Initially, the early stuff was predominantly put together by Ian and Joe as the stuff they had been working on prior to Brendan and I joining the band, and for the first 2 years I didn't play guitar but functioned almost like a toaster - doing back-ups, singing lead and dancing around. But once I started playing guitar the way we write changed dramatically - it became completely democratic with every song bearing everyone's imprint." 


 * So toasters Sing and dance now or what? XdiabolicalX 12:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps he meant in the Reggae sense where the MC's add additional lyrics over existing songs. This is just a guess as Fugazi clearly have Reggae influences - the electrical toaster idea just doesn't make any sense. Paul Tew 12:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I did think that but couldn't really see how it fitted with the article, you are right though it does make more sense that that of an electrical toster. XdiabolicalX 19:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

list of emo bands
why is this in the list of emo bands?
 * Because they are what Emo not My Chemical Romance or whoever. XdiabolicalX 12:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

see? the above cant even speak correctly let alone know what in the world theyre talking about. minor threat=hardcore; embrace=emo; fugazi=post-hardcore. seeing a progression and pattern here? its really not complicated. feb 10, androol
 * should this be taken off the list? if it is it should be taken off the emo band project that i see on topJkalltheway 21:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Emo isnt even a true genre of music. It's just a label people have been slapping on music since the early eighties, and the bands that get branded "Emo" arent all necessarily alike at all. Hence the reality that emo isnt really a genre of music, and I tend to agree with Guy when he says its the most retarded term ever.
 * Indeed, Fugazi are certainly not emo. I'll take it off. - ZEROpumpkins 07:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to disagree but fugazi are propper emo. Rites of spring invented emo and it is clear the similarities in rites of spring's music and fugazi's. Definately a lot more similar than those of bands which are currently categroized as emo these days. 22 september disposableandy
 * I think the majority of people would disagree with you there. Sure, Rites of Spring "invented" it, but that does not mean Fugazi must be it by default. Besides, there's not a great deal of emotional content in Fugazi's lyrics. - ZEROpumpkins 13:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to have to side for Fugazi being emo. They are widely credited with fueling the D.C. movement, and despite what the term may have evolved to mean in regards to contemporary music, I say that they are indeed emo.Rwiggum (talk) 15:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you find a source that explicitly says so? Just because they're influential to emo bands that followed in their wake doesn't make them emo, and the D.C. movement wasn't totally "emo" itself. TheLetterM (talk) 16:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The term emo was being used before rites of spring and fugazi. Minor threat was being called emo before any of these bands inceptions. The term EMO is retarded, as is breaking down and classifying music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.244.162 (talk) 22:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hardcore and Post Hardcore
How can a band be both hardcore and post-hardcore. I am going to change it for now, but if you disagree you can change it back, I suppose. --Kurasuke 22:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Fugazi aren't Industrial at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.48.235 (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

i dont think they are hardcore or post hardcore or really punk at all. if they are alternative rock, the real alternative rock which is slower and quieter than normal rock, see snow patrol Sunny Day Real Estate or Jimmy Eat World for some examples, then they are not hardcore or post hardcore. Real post hardcore on the other hand draws significant hardcore influence like Enter Shakari also Thrice used to be and UnderOath are too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.65.47 (talk) 13:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, what's your definition of "real" Post-hardcore anyway? The page on wikipedia states that "Post-hardcore is typically characterized by its precise rhythms and loud guitar-based instrumentation accompanied by vocal performances that are often executed as whispers or screams." If that same criteria can define bands like Thrice or Underoath, it certainly defines Fugazi. Do you have a source that states that Thrice and Underoath and Enter Shikari are post-hardcore, but Fugazi isn't? Feel free to post it, but I highly doubt you'll find it.

The band certainly has "significant hardcore influence"- Ian MacKaye was the lead singer in Minor Threat! Plus, the rest of the band did their time in various hardcore punk groups as well (Rites of Spring comes to mind). Their progression into Fugazi also matches the modus operandi of early post-hardcore groups- ex-members of hardcore punk bands who made music that had the intensity and dynamic of hardcore punk but without the speed or simplicity.

Also, comparisons to SDRE or Jimmy Eat World are completely unfounded (and frankly, I have no clue why you threw Snow Patrol in there). Both of those bands do have a sound similar to other alternative rock bands, but Fugazi doesn't, at all. They're about as comparable as apples are to oranges, with the implication that the apple should be considered an orange because hey, they're both fruit. TheLetterM (talk) 17:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

"Alternative Rock" is not a genre, it simply states that the music was not mainstream. Fugazi is certainly post-hardcore, as earlier edits realized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.186.178.219 (talk) 21:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Certainly don't hear much QUEEN here, as stated in the article as a sound inspiration, tho I suppose Led Zep could be construed. More reasonable to perhaps list Gang of Four, Pylon, The Wipers, even The Pixies, or other bands of that ilk as source material for Fugazi's angular sound?

Allmusic entry
What's with the allmusic entry of Fugazi being named "afghan w"? Take this review for example. A Fugazi album, right? Now click on their name. It leads to here, which is the artist info for Fugazi (check the biography and such), however, the name at the top if "afghan w". Did somebody hack Allmusic or something? -albrozdude 23:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA
As of 13 October 2006, I am making a speedy failing for this article to reach Good Article status, per WP:WIAGA, because of the following fatal reasons: If all of those matters above have been fixed, this article can be renominate it again. Cheers. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 11:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
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"Backronym"
How is Fugazi a backronym? It's an acronym just like SNAFU. There's nothing "back" about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BNutzer (talk • contribs)


 * Check an etymology dictionary: it's a backronym because the word predates the abbreviation, which was made up to fit. I believe this is in Partridge, but I'm on the road today, and I'll try to post a reference tomorrow.  I reverted to "backronym".  bikeable (talk) 06:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Changed back to acronym, as Fugazi is not a word, or at least not a word that Vietnam-era GIs were aware of. Quinine 10:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

What is the source reference for the origin of the name of the band? Fugazi is an actual word, and has also been the name of a famous nightclub in San Francisco for decades. Many soldiers on their way to and from Vietnam passed through San Francisco and many would have known about the club. Tmangray (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Reunion
Can any validate the reunion on september 3rd? My guess is that's probably a pranke, but I'd really like to know for sure.

update: it's a hoax http://dcist.com/2007/07/26/fugazi_reunion.php

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move debate was: Move

I've been bold and moved this article to Fugazi. Most of the other entities are fairly non-notable (along with a lot of etymology on the dab page), so this is by far the most notable. CloudNine (talk) 19:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Fugazi (band) → Fugazi — The current disambiguation of "(band)" is unnecessary, especially as "Fugazi" only serves as a redirect to this article. —jareha (comments) 19:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Support, as nominator. jareha (comments) 19:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, looks appropriate to me, with a hatnote saying for other uses see the dab page. It's definitely the most notable encyclopedic entry of things called "Fugazi".--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 18:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

Waiting Room?
Terrific! No reference whatsoever of there most famous song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.214.192 (talk) 17:04, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I concur. "Waiting Room" is a punk-rock institution. It's extremely conspicuous by its absence in this article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruskin35 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Fugazi IS
You don't say AT&T ARE, you don't say Congress ARE, and you don't say Fugazi ARE. It's a singular noun that agrees only with singular verbs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.5.88 (talk) 22:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Poor Sourcing/Poor Research
This article needs to rely on a variety of (primary) sources. Look at the notes section: currently 12 out of the 15 notes are from one source, Our Band Could Be Your Life: Scenes from the American Indie Underground.

Thousands of articles have been written about the band and they've done well over a thousand (maybe 2,000-3,000) interviews throughout the last 22 years. Use a primary source instead of regurgitating one or a few books! A good place to start: washingtoncitypaper.com which has the full text of all articles from 1995 to the present. That paper has been writing about the band since the start (circa 1987-1988).
 * Primary sources should actually be avoid whenever possible. What you want for a well-written, well-referenced article are secondary sources. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Record/Tape/CD Prices
When I was a kid and tapes and records were still bought at stores, there was always this thing on the back of Fugazi albums that said "if this album costs more than 7 dollars, send 7 dollars to Dischord records, and we'll send you the record." I always thought that was the coolest thing in the world. And they would actually do it, too. (I know, because I did it once.) There should be some mention of that, because that was and is absolutely unheard of amongst musicians and music publishers. Mention of it should be added somewhere. I can't say where. Veteran Fugazi wikipedia editors have at it--that's my suggestion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.11.118 (talk) 03:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Refused $10 million from Atlantic
Is there another source for this and is the one that's listed acceptable? According to this article in Spin, this is an urban legend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.149.128 (talk) 06:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Fugazi Live Series
About 800 live shows were taped throughout Fugazi's run, and they are now available on the Dischord website. NY Times did an article about it that was on the front page of nytimes.com; the Fugazi wikipedia page should probably include at least a mention. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/arts/music/fugazi-live-series-a-post-punk-bands-archive-of-shows.html

209.6.96.19 (talk) 23:25, 27 November 2011 (UTC)MBVECO

Past tense
Given the unlikelihood of Fugazi (realistically) ever getting back together and making more music, might it be appropriate to speak of the bands existence in the past tense?, e.g. :Fugazi WAS an American post-hardcore band" (instead of IS.) Perhaps yes.Cromulant (talk) 04:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Popular culture
Some entries in Wikipedia include a section on appearance in other cultural forms. "Fugazi" appears on the t-shirt of Neckbone, one of the boys in the movie MUD. Not sure where or how to add this. 2601:9:3A00:D4:251B:A2EC:5F0E:AD79 (talk) 03:51, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * One way would be to start a new section in the article called 'Popular culture', or something along those lines. Jonpatterns (talk) 10:02, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * In pop culture sections are mostly useless -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  02:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

We don't need a timeline for fugazi
The band had one drummer replacement, we don't need a timeline for that — Preceding unsigned comment added by ICommandeth (talk • contribs) 04:40, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

"Years active" and "on hiatus"
Looking through the revision history, you can find a few edits removing "on hiatus" from the "Years active" section. has the summary "Seriously? Since 2003?", and I get the impression that the other edits were made with the same thing in mind: it's ridiculous to say that a band that hasn't played together for 15 years is just on hiatus.

I don't think it's too ridiculous. If a band says they're not broken up, I'd say they're not broken up. And since "on hiatus" keeps getting added back in, I think others are in aggreement. Still, it's something that's come up a few times, so it seems like it deserved a discussion topic.

Even if we agree that they are on hiatus, though, there might be a problem. Template:Infobox musical artist says Only calendar year ranges or a single calendar year should be listed; for example, do not distinguish between the period Paul McCartney was in the Beatles and his solo career. I'm not sure if this is to make it machine readable or something? But it does allow the word "present" as an exception, for currently active bands/artists. Is this a problem? Languorrises (talk) 01:12, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Coriky and Messthetics
Added Coriky information and updated The Messthetics entry to include second album. Top pocket man (talk) 17:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)