Talk:Fugitive slaves in the United States/Archive 1

Do not duplicate Underground Railroad
Do not duplicate this article - for instance, people who gained freedom via the UR are better listed in that article. I think this one needs more about distinctions of 1850 law, effects on fugitives, and high-profile cases such as the freeing of Jane Johnson in Philadelphia and the Christiana Resistance, as well as court cases.Parkwells (talk) 21:21, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Issue of global view
I don't think a global view adds too much to this subject, as conditions varied widely in time and place. At least one article should deal with issues in the US, where fugitive slaves were most numerous and notable in the antebellum years - that's definable. Let's get that done first. Rename the article if needed - Fugitive slaves in the United States.Parkwells (talk) 21:21, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The first fugitive slave I think of is Spartacus, clearly not US, or even within a thousand years of the US. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 04:05, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Rename and move Fugitive slave to Fugitive slaves in the United States

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The result of the move request was: Moved. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:20, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Fugitive slave → Fugitive slaves in the United States – The article is mostly about fugitive slaves in the United States. It does not mention other countries. Perhaps, we could create articles elaborating in slavery in each country that it played a major part in. Davidoko99 (talk) 21:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose. If you think that you can write good, referenced articles about fugitive slaves in other countries and want to spin them off, great!  Until they exist, this proposal is just pre-emptive disambiguation. SnowFire (talk) 03:04, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support a stub can be built out of the intro paragraph, and a US section with a main to point to this article, with a summary style paragraph can be done, from the remainder of the intro. The edit history should remain with this article. An attribution in the edit history summaries can be provided to point to this (and the talk page using copied ) -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 04:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment a new "fugitive slave" article should eventually look similar to Slave rebellion -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 04:03, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support The article is entirely about fugitive slaves in the United States. I personally don't see this a case of being overly precise but rather a clear title for the content of the article.--Labattblueboy (talk) 05:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, per nom. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:34, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose per SnowFire. No point in moving this page at the current time. And in response to the IP above, no one looking for info on slave rebellion would search for fugitive slave and not slave rebellion, so it shouldn't redirect to that article. Hot Stop talk-contribs 14:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I said nothing of the sort. I was giving "slave rebellion" as an example of what the article should look like when the US material is moved off, to provide room for a new article. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 04:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. That's my fault for misreading what you stated.  Hot Stop talk-contribs 04:36, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose, it appears nominator is seeking solutions to a problem that doesn't yet exist. No disambiguation needed at this time. Without prejudice to another similar discussion at a later point in time. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I suppose the Roman-era Spartacus was a US slave, or Laurens de Graff, etc. The problem exists now. We even have another location specific escaped slave article at Maroon (people). -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 04:44, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not sure why this page should be moved instead of being expanded. Is anyone reverting additions concerning slaves outside the United States? Dekimasu よ! 23:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a fairly extensive article on the US situation, so it would be better to move it and summarize to prevent having an unbalanced article, since the US situation itself should be deserving of its own article. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 23:17, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. The proposed title more accurately reflects the current contents of the article.  The article has existed for nearly 10 years and has yet to be expanded beyond the US.  Time to call it what it is.  (It would nice to see a geo-neutral stub at fugitive slave if this move occurs).  —  AjaxSmack   01:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. The previous supporting editors have said it well already.  In response to the opposers on the grounds of 'it's not needed yet' - the question has already arisen of whether this article should only be about slavery in the United States or have a more global view.  If we can answer that question now, why wait until it becomes a bigger problem?  Solving the problem now will enable an editor who is ready to write content on the global topic to do so without having to go through a long talk page discussion first.--Wikimedes (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. The article is completely and thoroughly USA-centric. The USA is not the only nation in the history of mankind to have used slaves. J I P  &#124; Talk 05:40, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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Fugitive slave should not redirect here
We need a globalized article on the topic, not a redirect to the US-related article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:58, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

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