Talk:Funeral for a Friend/Archive 1

Genre
i would argue the point that funeral for a friend are easily categorized as emo. they may have emo influences, but to label them thus is an injustice to their music. --Bouyeeze 15:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

second that. as a test the more ppl who deny a band is emo, the more emo it is must be. you hear ppl say 'funeral for a friend are not emo' but never 'the red hot chili peppers are not emo'


 * I denied that FFAF is emo simply because people are calling them emo. If people started calling RHCP emo, I would also deny it. By your reasoning, this would make them emo...--Bouyeeze 22:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * AllMusic categorizes them as emo. That's not just "people" or some other nonsense - AllMusic is a legitimate, verifiable, encyclopedic source. -- ChrisB 21:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I second that. To be honest many emo bands (MCR, HH, TBS etc) annoy the hell out of me but FOFA are outstanding. A Hardcore band with highly emotional lyrics. Genuine emotion, not the whining from MCR. This makes them emo. There's nothing wrong with the label emo. There's nothing wrong with a swastika or a sunwheel either, except that the Nazis used it to symbolise calamitous world war, mass slaughter and genocide. If people are too stupid to realise that it's an ancient, ancient Indian/Asian/European symbol with a deeper meaning than exterminating minorities and general thuggery then that's their problem. If people are too stupid to realise that there's nothing wrong with the genre emo then that's their problem too. Emo may be a genre practised by faggoths but that doesn't mean you're faggoth because you play emo.--Q'neas 00:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It would be a bit of a stretch to call them emo, though you could probably justify it. But why does it say that they're screamo? They don't have much in common with the major screamo bands like Orchid (band), Saetia, or City of Caterpillar. I mean, allmusic may say that they're screamo, but if allmusic said that FFAF was hip hop, would that count? Punkrockrunner (talk) 00:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)punkrockrunner

So does C4 under 'Top 10:Emo anthems, airing as I type this 222.154.38.42 03:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, if they're Emo, shouldn't they be classed as Hardcore rather than Post-hardcore? Emo is a sub genre of Hardcore ... --Tene 22:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Post-Hardcore is a sub genre of Hardcore in case it wasn't obvious enough. post- Hardcore fits better than Emo. XdiabolicalX 11:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, never? Really? -.- My point being, emocore is not a sub-genre of post-hardcore, therefore post-hardcore shouldn't be mentioned if emocore is. That's like saying a compound z can be produced from compound y reacting, even though compounds y and z can only be produced by chemicals x reacting. PS, I'm not mentally retarded - please don't assume I am. --Tene 03:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How about we screw the analogies and pointlessly trying to place music into neat hierarchical boxes and just say the are rock --Hawk90 16:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Post-Hardcore? that's ridiculous! why would it "fit better"? EMO!

I know that Post-Hardcore is used also as general for bands playing Emo,Metalcore etc.Xr 1 20:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

--> Ah, why has no-one realised. Why argue this Post-Hardcore, Emo debate when the genre Screamo sits right in between thoses two genres, has the same ancestor and fits this band perfectly.


 * You guys obviously don't know your genres at all. Emo is hardcore punk and screamo is "sonic thrash". Neither one has any relation to FFAF. But unfortunately, we need to go by the sources and not our opinions. -- FatalError 03:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

They use a lot of metalcore-style on their songs, especially with "This Year's Most Open Heartbreak", lyrically, though, people would call them emo, I mean comeon, Is the lyrical content all that matter in a genre? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.2.106.215 (talk) 03:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

ok i find it retarded that they are classified as emo yet none of their albums have the emo genre on them lol? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.37.95.144 (talk) 15:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Progressive?
I honestly can't see how anyone could call FFAF progressive, that just seem ludicrous. It no objections in the next little while I'm gonna go ahead and do that.--Bouyeeze 21:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Genre
Whoever added the metalcore note, please explain yourself. Going purely on wikipedia's definition of metalcore, Funeral for a Friend is not a metalcore band; at least not today. Their EP 7 ways to scream your name I will concede has at least metalcore influences, but still is more hardcore/alt rock. If metalcore is not explained soon I'm gonna take it out. --Bouyeeze 04:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

By now their new ep Young and Defenceless and their new album seem to be taking more metalcore influences to their work; so I would consider calling Young and Defenceless and possibly their new album metalcore/post hardcore as it is harder edged. 86.128.185.209 (talk) 15:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)Ashlii

Vandalized
Some noob has vandalized the page with homosexual remarks. Please revert it to an older version.
 * I've removed what I can, thanks for bringing it up. If it happens again, feel free to revert it yourself. --Xyra e l T 20:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I am going to fix up some grammatical issues on this page. I hope no one minds. I removed this "Taking the name of a song by the band Planes Mistaken for Stars, January Thirst became known as Funeral for a Friend. Some believe that the name of the band comes from the second line of "The Dash," a poem by Linda Ellis, and also people believe that they took their name when a close friend of the band passed away" from the page because it is pure speculation.


 * Your correct about questioning it. I hesitated over the fact about the poem but I clearly remember reading about FFAF in Kerrang! and in the introduction to the article they stated that the song by Planes Mistaken for Stars was how they came about with the name. Unfortunately I can't put in a citation as a can't remember the issue number. I have also heard the rumour about 'the close friend passing away'. OldSongsNewStereo 18:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Just removed "(which was inspired by song "Funeral For A Friend" By Dream Theater)" as it had no source (see last posts above). OldSongsNewStereo 19:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

POV
Does anyone else think that the new statement: Continuing their trend of playing various small venues such as Reading Hexagon alongside Fightstar (who replaced Motion City Soundtrack due to a last minute illness) Funeral for a Friend continue to wow audiences throughout the UK. is nothing but POV? --Tene 17:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I just got back from Download, and the UK audience there were so wowed by Funeral for a Friend that they all swamped Prodigy on the second stage. (So, yeah, I'd wager it's pure POV) -Barnas 10:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Genre III
Metal? "Emocore"? --86.112.251.74 09:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

You could probably justify calling them "emo," but emocore is just plain inaccurate. Emocore describes the first wave of emo bands who were more hardcore punk, like Rites of Spring and Gray Matter. Punkrockrunner (talk) 00:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)punkrockrunner

Genre 2007 Dispute
As all this talk is back from 05/06 I thought I would add a new category. With FFAF's new album gearing up to be lauched I thought the genre can now be disputed once again. Matt Davis even said in an interview to Kerrang! a couple weeks ago that the new album will go back to the roots of FFAF in 2001 and create a complete different (grown up - as the band are "growing up")sound from that of CDADIC and Hours. Post-hardcore, as most agree above, is the overall genre as all the albums have a different 'touch' to them (Tales Don't Tell Themselves will have woodwind and percussion, apparently). The lyrics may be emotional but placing them among bands in emocore such as Aiden and Panic! at the Disco is a schoolboy error. To sum up - In general everyone agrees about post-hardcore but emocore and other genres are disputed so for now, untill the band themselves state otherwise, just leave it at post-hardcore please. PS. User:68.188.12.201 stop going around EVERY band page on wikipedia changing the genres - it's not cool, instead please be constructive. Thank you for your time reading this.

Emo these days is more a way of insulting/identifying bands with emotional lyrics, do songs like FFAF's early work sound like they could pssibly belong in the same genre as Fall Out Boy or Cute is What We Aim For? Emo isn't a genre anymore, we shouldn't use Emo as a genre unless we main "Emotional Hardcore". Or just not use it as a genre since the only REAL difference between Emocore and Hardcore bands is the percieved emotional content of the songs. 62.255.33.221 20:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

band name
Is the bands name from the elton john song i keep hearing yes.

No, it's not. This is a common misconception, it comes from Planes Mistaken for Stars' song 'Funeral for a Friend' as stated in many magasines etc. However, this is not a definate.

I thought i it had something to do with superman
 * If anyone can find the correct details to cite the "Spilling Blood in 8mm" DVD, it's mentioned on there in the hidden material that they DID name the band after the Planes Mistaken for Stars song... Willdow (Talk) 12:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

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Piano
Who does it? U-Mos 21:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

If you mean who plays it, it is Ryan, the drum player, according to one of the albums' personel page. To avoid confusion Ive added keyboard to his instruments and categorized it as occasional. Manoalorts (talk) 14:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Image, speed deletion?
Why is the picture on the FfaF page being taken off? Should it be replaced with a more actual one? Kynch 09:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Genre Clearup
I have cleared up the genrebox. Thundermaster367 13:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Founding Members
Could someone clarify whether any of the band's founding members actually remain in the lineup to this day? If that isn't the case it might be worth mentioning. Deanster123 (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The Guitarist Kris and the vocalist Matt are the only remaining founding members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.185.209 (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Genre, again.
Funeral for a Friend is alternative rock through they also are pretty much post-hardcore. I think their songs Into Oblivion (Reunion), Walk Away, Kicking and Screaming and Rules and Games prove it. I said my opinion, just hopping You'd agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.141.115.117 (talk) 18:09, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There's like four genre discussions open so im just gonna post this in here.
 * Right this stuff needs to stop its been going on for ages and in multiple post-hardcore articles. and by that i mean the invasion of Emo and screamo in the info boxes. post-hardcore is the definition for FAFF overall sound without a doubt. nobody can argue this. screamo is very misplaced. if i was going to keep it i would at least specify early material (there stuff for the first extended plays and the first album). however this is pointless as this doesn't identify this band at all. because it doesn't really describe that music either. Alternative rock all though not their entire body of sound but tales don't tell themselves and various songs they release are alternative rock.
 * And Emo. To me personally they are one of the few band out in the 2010's that are legit to the genre Emo. so i reckon it should be kept. im leaving this discussion open for weather or not Emo should be kept and screamo be replaced with alternative rock. Jonjonjohny (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2010 (UTC)