Talk:Funk carioca

VANDALISM
As usual, there is still someone who like erasing links Everybody can see this. Who the f--k enjoy to erase a link about an interview or a web site ?????

TCHIKY ` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.2.157.109 (talk) 14:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Quick Revision
I'm cleaning this up. This article has specifically copied from http://www.theworld.org/globalhits/2005/06/30.shtml. Secondly, the song "Ta Tudo Dominado" has also been credited to Bonde do Tigrao. Which one is correct?

the correct is SD Boys, i think. Furacão 2000 is not an artist. its a soundsytem/label/club. 14:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC) -retrigger

I had made some corrections on the artists list. "so as cachorra" and "o baile todo" is the same song, by bonde do tigrao. i have added SD boys for their hits "ta dominado" and "ah eu to maluco". Also have deleted some artist that had little to do with the real funk and were using this to promote themselves... I'm not sure if MIA and Diplo should be there, but i haven't change it. 200.150.47.66 Retrigger

I changed the translation of the word "baile", that no means "ball"!!!, ball in portuguese is "bola", I dont know exactly word in english, but baile is a dance party, like in so many USA schools in the end of a week for example, but this is nothing. I think that the brazilian miami bass funk is a shit, because it diminishes the tradicional funk, and they don´t know what is... when you say that you like funk in brazil they will think that you like carioca brazilian´s funk, they don´t know that is only a derivative form of funk. 14:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC) -retrigger


 * I reverted your change. "Ball" IS the most literal translation of "baile"; it might also mean "bola", but they are just homonyms. See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ball or Debutante ball. --Cotoco 04:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I have filled up many infos about the baile funk history, it seems you guys are cool. please help place better the source BATIDÃO UMA HISTÓRIA DO FUNK book from Rio de Janeiro, 2005 by SILVIO ESSINGER, its truly only real trustable info avaliable about exausting facts collected trough 5 years and the writer is a proeminent brazillian researcher and music journalist Pittigliani 22:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

the same genre
how does brazilian funk relate to baile funk; is it the same or something slightly different? the brazilian funk notes that the "funk is viewed as a overly loud, aggressive, sociopathic form of music by many of brazilian elite" where as this one states "Thousands of people of all social classes and backgrounds will gather to attend these events". i'm confused. --MilkMiruku 05:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Both are the same thing. I havent heard anyone calling it brazilian funk, tho. Probally, just outside brazil. i suggest to delete brazilian funk and replace it with this one, far more complete. I think "funk is viewed as a overly loud, aggressive, sociopathic form of music by many of brazilian elite", specially in its proibidão form. But there is the mainstream funk, supported by DJ Malboro (biggest dj and one of the inventors), that are on comercials and all radio waves. Anyway, rich people mostly dont go to bailes. You can see people from other social classes in a baile, but they are minority. bailes are made for the favela population. period. 200.150.47.66 retrigger

That this genre of music is sociopathic it is clear from the context: the songs are imbibed with violence, gratuitous glorification of crime, poor-tates mentions of sex, etc. 201.59.1.140 04:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The truth is that most people in Brazil don't refer to Brazilian Funk in such way, it's just Funk to them. Also, this genre of music is, today, totally mainstream in Brazil, although it is considered ghetto, you can see it in most popular tv channels and shows on an almost daily basis, and to say that rich people don't usually listen to it or go to the "balls" is the same thing as stating that rich people don't listen to Hip-Hop in US. Onikas (talk) 13:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Why does it say "Funk Carioca ("Funk from Rio" in Brazilian Portuguese)"?....would it not be correct to write the opposite? Example: "Funk from Rio ("Funk Carioca" in Brazilian Portuguese)" as Funk Carioca is the term in BR Portuguese... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.5.66 (talk) 18:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Funk Carioca is the music, Baile Funk is the dance party
When I discovered this entry many months back, it simply stated that Baile Funk was Miami Bass from Brazil. After meeting with many Brazilian Bass artists, they explained to me that "Baile Funk" was the name of the parties, and "Funk Carioca" was the name of the music.

In Portuguese, the adjective comes after the noun. So "red car" would be "car of red". Therefore, Baile Funk translates to "[Baile]dance party of [Funk] Bass music", and Funk Carioca translates to "[Funk] Bass [Carioca] from Rio".

I discovered the mistranslation came from labels outside of Brazil compiling the music and calling it Baile Funk in error thinking Baile was the adjective and Funk was the subject since English places adjectives first. With the term Baile Funk, baile is the subject - it's a dance party, and Funk describes what type of party.

I came here months ago and added to the entry that "Baile Funk" now represents the party itself to Brazilians, and the music itself to people outside brazil...but during the cleanup, my words got mangled to say that Baile Funk is English slang. If I alter my words back, it will destroy the entry, and I'd have to rewrite the entire thing. Being a mod went out of their way to do the cleanup, I don't want to destroy their work.

Can you please redefine this entry to take in account the description above?

While I agree that Baile Funk generally refers to the parties, I know Brazilians and Funk artists that now refer to it as Baile Funk. In fact, my friends that live in the favelas told me that "Funk Carioca" is something used by the mainstream media and press. I speak Portuguese and am aware of its meaning in the language. While it may be worth noting the dual meaning of this, this article devotes way too much time on the distinction and in fact its English name (whether misinterpreted or not) has become Baile Funk. cut copy 03:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the music now has the name of the party. The same happened with jamaican ragga, most known as Dance Hall. In rio, they use the name Funk. just funk. or even "the sound of the bailes". Funk carioca is the term used in other states. I vote here for baile funk as the new name of the genre. 201.58.51.112Retrigger

category funk
I don't think the recent edit that added the Funk category was correct at all. As explained in the article, Funk Carioca has very little to do with American Funk.

Agreed. That's why I removed it. --cut copy 03:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Hi, could you please include how to pronounce these brazilian-exported words.

Suggested merge with Brazilian funk
Hi all,

I made a few changes to the article, especially regarding the naming of the genre, and the difference between Baile Funk (the party) and Funk (the music). I also added a tag suggesting this should be merged into Brazilian funk.

Even though this article is more complete than Brazilian funk, and increasingly the genre is being called "Baile funk" in English, I feel this article should not be under this name. There could be an article with this name about the bailes themselves, but it shouldn't be about the music genre.

The use of the term "baile funk" in English is, as far as I can tell, a misnomer (but see last paragraph of this comment for a possible alternate explanation). Of course Wikipedia should not advocate what the proper name for the music should be (as we are only supposed to describe what IS), and indeed, as I said already, it has increasingly been called by that name, at least in North America. But it seems to me that this is a recently-imported term, and therefore its usage hasn't stabilized enough that we could conclude that this is the most common name (in English) for this music genre. I'm not 100% sure that "Brazilian funk" is the best title for the article either, but so far it seems the best candidate. There should be a redirect from "Baile funk" to "Brazilian funk" (or whatever article name is chosen; unless someone creates an article specifically about the bailes) and, obviously, mention that Brazilian funk is also known, in English, as "Baile funk". But "Baile funk" is not an appropriate name for this article, in my opinion.

On the other hand, though, someone could advocate that the expression "Baile Funk", in English, means "Funk from the Bailes [funk]", but I don't think that is the rationale of the people who currently call it that, and I think it's somewhat counterproductive to use that label, due to the confusion with the Portuguese expression.

--Cotoco 20:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Merged and moved
I made some major changes regarding the definition of "Funk Carioca" and merged it with the former "Brazilian Funk" page. NeedABrain 20:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I've placed the main contents of Brazilian Funk article in this page and I'm redirecting it again. I copy-pasted and slightly edited the paragraphs through this article, without contempting about their validity. Feel free to edit the new contents, please just don't de-merge the articles again. NeedABrain 20:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Appropriation
A lot of non-Brazilian artists have appriated the style of funk do Rio: Diplo, M.I.A., Peahes, etc. There should be something in here about this. —Morganfitzp 13:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Links Part
Hello, I don't know what are the policies here, but I cleaned up the links section and organized it better. There we're many links that had nothing or little to do with baile funk, or were expired. (Tchiky; your mix had expired, can you put it back?) I think it's much clearer now. Please let me know if you disagree... Dj Rideon from Helsinki Finland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.163.31.190 (talk) 16:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes looks much Better. Thanks mate. Sorry Rideon, i dont have any new link yet for my mix. If u got one, please put it.

Tchiky —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.212.61.149 (talk) 00:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

ABUSING EDITING
Pittigliani is abusing. Always editing and erasing sources. PLEASE STOP IT. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.91.23.85 (talk) 14:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

Please stop adding inappropriate links to Wikipedia. It is considered spamming and will be removed. Thanks. Shadowbot 17:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

hi you all, please keep on commenting, I'm really involved into adding more REFERENCED infos about baile funk. 87.91.23.85, I received your msn message, you should sign your editing, you're mentioned at the article, please check sources, make the text clean, objective, try to add more about small labels, or the experience in France - you'll notice at the history section I've kept on some interesting changes you've made(like naming Jerome Pigeon with his artistic name Gringo da Parada). I took off 2 old links were the files were removed, too, and rearranged and cleaned in general the topics, I'd love to have solid referenced comments on that. Shadowboat thanks, I'm not exactly a writer, need parameters, and I'll try to involve more people on this. I am a label manager, but my label is not at the article.Pittigliani 01:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Adriana Pittigliani "label manager",

Yes u can be involved. Thats not the problem.

Be involved but dont erase sources like my mix (or dont erase just a character of the link just to male it not working). .

Dont put Sandrinho in the top of the list coz u wanna promote ur artist. You are saying you wanna put in alphabetical order ?

Explain where is your alphabetical order ??????????????????? (be serious, u must be kidding.);

Its really funny to see Marlboro in the top of the list with Sandrinho and Sany at the end...(what kind of alphabetical order is it ??? ).

A B C D E F G... ETC ETC ...( check the new track of JUSTICE and sing it it could help you lol ).

Dont erase the names of others djs, or dont put them in the top of the list just because you wanna PROMOTE your artist.

Label manager of WHAT? You release records? Do you produce anything? Just publishing may be ?

Ah yes thats true u do management for DJ SANY a.k.a the maesto... We ve all see it.

Other stuff, you could be right about the music, saying that Baile funk is a party not a style of music.

But here in Europe and US we call it Baile Funk and it wont changee even if u got a "label" (myspace or blog may be???) called  CARIOCAFUNKCLUBE.

TCHIKY

ps: you dont have to edit this message. Not necessary.

dear Pittigliani, label manager of Funkcariocaclube who produce EXPERIMENTAL music:

Yeah yeah, where did you find out this Zulu King about Sandrinho?

Nobody uses that even him. Dont use this kind of stuff, he doesnt need it and means nothing to him.

yes thats funny ur organisation, about djs and mcs in Wikipedia. I saw it of course.

But why Sany doesnt have this "DJ" before his name????

Really strange isnt it??? of course u dont have any answers...

Dont you know in Brasil many guyz inverse the dj name like DENNIS DJ or CAVERNA DJ or what ever...

Sorry, i wont mail you and like i told you last time, i dont need and i dont want to be in contact with you...

TCHIKY

ps: like i said before you dont need to edit my post. THANKS

No underwear = free of charge
There are some "Bailes Funk" that let women (and underage girls too) in for free in case they are not wearing their underwears. I know this may sound absurd, but that's exactly why I believe it's worth adding to the "Criticism" section. However, I didn't find a reliable source for it. If anyone finds it, please do add to the article. Victor Lopes (talk) 23:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

My Edit.
Added some background and derivatives. Fixed some words and wikilinks per Manual of Style. --201.78.66.174 (talk) 13:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Nova Iguaçu Journal of the NYT, resource?
Californian With an M.B.A. Follows His Heart to Brazilian Funk by SIMON ROMERO published New York Times December 25, 2011 99.190.86.5 (talk) 06:34, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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Fixes and updates
Im can say im an expert on Funk, is almost the only thing i think on my life, im kind of addicted, i just dont know why too, my heart fills with hope when i think on the people who dream to be a singer, people who are able to save their famillies with it... theres not a single day i dont think about Funk on 4 years, i have more then 150'000minutes of Funk on spotify all types... i sing and compose too, soon ill produce it, só dont delete my fixes Teo82710 (talk) 07:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is based on WP:SECONDARY sources, published by reliable magazines, newspapers, books, etc. Your own expertise does not count unless you published your analysis somewhere in a respected publication. Your "fixes" will be deleted every time they appear, because they are a violation of WP:No original research. Binksternet (talk) 19:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

This dosent work
Wikipedia simply just dosent work, no one adds the newest events (after 2010), when i add i cant add references, when i add without references people delete all the text even though real life is my reference my own eyes are my best reference, wikipedia will never be able to express Funk's culture in any words, im not allowed to write about my culture to everyone understand it  but everyone is allowed to add fake information and steriotyping my culture on wikipedia, this is bullshit im not trying to fix this anymore, i have mutch more real things to do, and an advise (dont take this "Funk Carioca" page seriously, i live in this culture, and i can say that most of this text are wrong, even insulting to me, the truth is that people here just want everyone to be happy, the most happy you can get) Teo82710 (talk) 20:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not based on your experiences, it is based on WP:SECONDARY sources published in reliable places such as established websites, magazines, books, etc.
 * You just removed some poorly written and poorly referenced material from the article, which is good work. Thank you for that. But if you want to add new material, you must cite your sources. Binksternet (talk) 22:42, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I cant add sources, all the experiences i added are something that everyone sees in here, theres even a motto who says "só quem é daqui sabe" means "only whos from here knows" thats why there wont be good references in the internet, and is impossible to rely this text on the internet, Funk is something that dosent get to be in the internet, in Brasil the only things that goes on the internet is what we cant see in real life, the aglomerate of bad things, Funk is a good thing, thats why the internet dosent talk about, last time the internet was talking about that was: may2021: when MCKevin DIED, by falling from the 5 floor. March2021 when every single succeded singer has been ACCUSED by the POLICE of beeing linked to the DRUG TRAFIC (resulted into nothing), feb2021 where the POLOCE INVADED SalvadorDaRima's home without "rights". Ass you can see they are all bad things, and this is only 1 proof that theres no right information about Funk in the internet, theres no right information about nothing in Brasil on the internet, the media only causes terror (cause thats what gives money), and no one here is earning money to right this text, we are just following the steps of ganacious people, reling our information on the work of people that only wants more money from the concern of the Brasilean People, terrifing them. Teo82710 (talk) 14:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * That's terrible, the fact that funk carioca has nobody writing good things about it.
 * Wikipedia's role is to summarize all the writings. It is not the job of Wikipedia to Right Great Wrongs like the situation you describe. Binksternet (talk) 15:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Funk carioca template
Does anyone else here think Funk carioca deserves a template? It has some subgenres, and there is even a category named "Funk carioca genres." 47.36.25.163 (talk) 20:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music 209
— Assignment last updated by Soccergirln215 (talk) 04:47, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Brazilian phonk x brazilian funk
This post refers to the "Subgenre" section, not the entire article.

There seems to be a misunderstanding about what constitutes Brazilian funk and Brazilian phonk.

As the Wikipedia article notes, funk carioca is commonly known as Brazilian funk, especially outside Brazil.

Although it is inaccurate to categorize Brazilian funk as "Brazilian phonk," a recent trend has emerged where music producers remix phonk songs with Brazilian funk beats and lyrics, gaining popularity on TikTok. These producers often refer to it as "Brazilian phonk." I think this constitutes a sub-genre called brazilian phonk. However, it is inappropriate for the Wikipedia article to use the title "Brazilian funk" to describe a sub-genre of phonk, as it is currently.

Brazilian funk and Brazilian phonk are distinct. When phonk songs incorporate Brazilian funk elements, it becomes a subgenre known as Brazilian phonk. However, stating that "Brazilian funk is a sub-genre of phonk" is incorrect. Brazilian funk is specifically carioca funk with origins dating back several decades.

Confusion arises when phonks with Brazilian funk elements go viral and are popularized as "Brazilian phonk." Users listening to raw Brazilian funk then associate these elements with the "Brazilian phonk" subgenre, mistaking it for phonk rather than funk.

I recommend maintaining the title (in the sub-genre section) as "Brazilian phonk" to prevent further confusion in the discussion.

L Marcelosdc (talk) 15:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * User:Lelkoras
 * Plese read before reversing changes in the Brazilian phonk sub-topic. Brazilian funk encompasses all genres of funk, one of which is brazilian phonk.
 * Marcelosdc (talk) 13:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * A genre like Brazilian phonk cannot exist at all. Brazilian funk is the most correct name because “especially smart” producers and authors associated it with phonk only for marketing; in fact, the phonk genre and Brazilian funk are not connected at all.  The presence of partially common instruments in drum parts does not connect these two genres in any way.  For example: the music of the rock band Queen cannot under any circumstances be called classical music due to the presence of the same piano in some tracks, I hope now it will become a little clearer to you why I’m right. Lelkoras (talk) 01:26, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd like to clarify that I am Brazilian, which is important because the way you're writing the article doesn't make sense to someon who's from Brazil and is familiar with brazilian funk.
 * Let's also clarify that:
 * - funk carioca and brazilian funk are synonyms and interchangeable
 * - "Brazilian funk" cannot possibly be a subgenre inspired by the music genre called "phonk". As mentioned, "Brazilian funk" is "funk carioca," with origins unrelated to "phonk." (Mind you, this is how it is currently defined, after your editing)
 * - there's a growing number of people talking about brazilian phonk, even if it doesn't sound quite right to you.
 * There's a growing trend of people regarding Brazilian phonk, mainly due to viral videos on social media platforms like TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. These videos blend Brazilian funk and phonk elements, creating what many consider, "Brazilian phonk," as named by content creators and music producers.
 * However, it's important not to mistake funk for phonk. The differences between the styles presented in these videos are relevant enough they're not considered Brazilian funk by Brazilians (or phonk by phonk fans). Yet, we can't deny the existence of a genre inspired by Brazilian funk and phonk, blending elements from both.
 * Given the confusion, it's relevant to define and differentiate these two music styles. There is this thing called "brazilian funk", and this other thing that blends brazilian funk with phonk. Whatever you wanna call it, it is not considered funk by brazilians, and therefore it's certainly not brazilian funk. But since it has elements from it, why not consider it an emerging subgenre?
 * The article, as you've written it, describes the very subject of this page as a music genre originating from phonk, which is nonsensical. You're faced with acknowledging "Brazilian phonk" or insisting on "Brazilian funk" as the only accepted term, which would require defining it as a subgenre inspired by phonk. However, this doesn't make sense as the origins of Brazilian funk have nothing to do with phonk.
 * Therefore, even if you are right by saying that "a genre like brazilian funk cannot exist", your text is simply poorly written. It is illogical.
 * But once again, it's important to differentiate these two music styles, and if there's already a popular name to distinguish them, then why not consdering it? Marcelosdc (talk) 07:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Moreover, beyond suggesting a new genre, the topic "Brazilian phonk" describes a popular term among certain internet communities that deserves a description. Marcelosdc (talk) 07:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that Brazilian Funk has nothing in common with such a genre as phonk, and is even moving away from Carioca Funk. Why do I think that such a definition as “Brazilian fonk” has no right to exist?  Firstly, technically, the music called “Brazilian phonk” by the masses of listeners due to the influence of social networks is in no way connected with the original phonk genre, with the possible exception of some drum parts.  Let's go back to the roots, phonk is a subgenre of Hip Hop that originated in the USA, it developed its own unique sound (as unique as the sound of Funk Carioca), then from the usual genre of rap style, phonk gradually acquired subgenres and began to be defined by the majority of modern listeners as electronic music.  This led to the opinion that “Brazilian funk” is similar to modern phonk and then it can be called under the phonk genre, this, in my opinion, is fundamentally wrong and is a gross mistake.  Secondly, these are two completely different movements of music.  Listening to drift phonk from the period 2017-2021 and “Brazilian funk,” for example, you can notice striking differences in their sound.  Yes, I cannot deny that phonk itself has changed a lot since 2021 and, in my opinion, has become a completely different genre, no longer just Rap, but a new genre of electronic music.  However, I consider it a logical mistake to associate “Brazilian funk” with phonk (that which appeared back in the 1990s), and the opinion that these two genres are connected is too strongly entrenched in society, but this should not change the fact, because it cannot  Is this then considered a substitution of concepts? Of course, public opinion also contributes to the definition of anything, but we must not forget the origins of that very “whatever.”  What do I propose to solve this problem?  Perhaps the entire musical community should solve this problem, and I’m not talking about the problem “is it funk or fonk?”, I’m talking about the problem that all electronic music has become and fonk itself has begun to be called fonk.  I suppose when you go to Spotify and listen to their own playlist, you notice that it has something in common at least with drift fonk (I will not say anything about the origins of the genre, even this half has about as much in common as Brazilian funk with drift fonk)  only half!  In reality, only 50% of the tracks in the playlist can be called related to the background in some way, and this is a colossal problem.  Spotify killed the genre and assembled a Frankenstein's monster from its corpse, and now it looms over all genres of electronic music.  This playlist and Spotify in general killed both genres and all electronic music in general by changing the concepts too much.  Now the playlist consists of tracks of the genre drift-phonk, Brazilian funk, hyperpop, crashfunk (which also has nothing in common with phonk), as well as Memphis-phonk (which of all the above is most similar to the origins of phonk) in approximately the following proportion: 50  /40/6/1/4 and it's terrible.  Current electronic music has been killed, distorted and all equated to phonk, which was the first to evolve into an electronic genre and become popular.  How should we solve this? I believe that this is a problem for the entire community and everyone should solve it by actively promoting this problem, preventing the substitution of concepts, regular monitoring of articles related to all genres that are trying to connect themselves with something else without even combining themselves with it, and also  an attempt to influence electronic platforms to limit and reduce this problem to zero.  The entire music community that cares at all about what they listen to should either separate these genres and not allow them to merge, or, on the contrary, define all modern electronic music with a new concept and forget the origins of everything that is included in it forever.  Offer your solutions to this problem, which sooner or later will take on even greater momentum and will be even more unsolvable than it is now. Lelkoras (talk) 04:07, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "Brazilian Funk has nothing in common with such a genre as phonk, and is even moving away from Carioca Funk"
 * Once again, Brazilian funk is Carioca funk. Such affirmation doesn't make much sense. Brazilian funk can't possibly move away from itself or, at least, isn't. It's an unbrella term for many different subgenres. "Brazilian phonk", on the other side, is particularly popular on the internet (not in Brazil, though) and can be considered an emerging subgenre of Brazilian funk. You see, the word "phonk" might be tricky here, but not one's claiming Brazilian phonk is phonk.
 * "I consider it a logical mistake to associate Brazilian funk with phonk"
 * It doesn't matter whether you think this is appropriate or not. The fact is: there's a new type of song that is widely known as Brazilian phonk. It is not my or your responsibility to call out people for making such "absurd" associations, but rather, describe the already existing term and explain why such association exist. Wikipedia aims to describe things, and not represent our opinions and points of view.
 * I insist that you cannot possibly replace "Brazilian phonk" with "Brazilian funk" and then define it as a subgenre of phonk, specially knowing the Wikipedia article has already defined Brazilian funk in its first paragraph. It's like you're giving two different definitions for the same thing.
 * Also, notice how the earlier description of 'Brazilian phonk' explicitly noted that many phonk artists and fans do not consider it as phonk. Therefore, the previous description, prior to your edits, was accurate. It provided a clear definition of a commonly used term, and then elaborated that despite being labeled as Brazilian phonk, it diverges significantly from traditional phonk.
 * I ask that you consider reversing your edits hoping that you understand the purpose of this discussion. Else, we'll have to seek a third party. Marcelosdc (talk) 17:19, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I ask that you consider reversing your edits hoping that you understand the purpose of this discussion. Else, we'll have to seek a third party. Marcelosdc (talk) 17:19, 15 February 2024 (UTC)