Talk:Fur trade/Archives/2012

More about the English/Dutch??
I mostly know about the activities to the north and thus the over emphasis on the french... Does anyone have a little better knowledge on the origins of the English and Dutch activities below the St. Lawrence to start introducing the conflicts that were a result of the French/Wyandot and English/Iroquois alliances? Upshot 13 Dec. 2006

external link to Video Documentary
I wish to argue that this product *Video documentary on Fur Trade is truly relevant to this article and as the producer of this content I will be spending some time expanding the 'fur trade' throughout the wikipedia database as I have spent a considerable amount of time researching the subject. It's not as if I'm linking fur trade tee shirts... This is a thorough documentary on the subject matter Upshot 21 August 2006

Overview
Could someone familiar with the fur trade write a historical overview, and make it the intro? jareha 16:36, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Appropriate redirect?
"Pelt" redirects here. Why not to "fur" or "pelage"? This is one specific use of pelt(s) and does not accurately reflect the term. Istvan 05:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not anymore it doesn't. :) psch  e  mp  |  talk  06:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
It looks like this page has been vandalized; anyone want to fix it and tell the vandals to stop? PsamtikNerd (talk) 22:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Manitoba Historical Society
The above has may papers on the fur trade covering all of North America. I listed one but anyone looking for mor detail may find MHS helpful. --Stormbay (talk) 15:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Dubious content
I think this article needs some serious attention and reworking. Various pieces of content seem dubious and/or skewed. E.g.
 * Pacific Fur Company is said to have been established in 1834 when in fact it was established in 1810.
 * States Pacific Fur was the largest part of American Fur Company. Highly doubtful. Pacific Fur was dissolved in the war of 1812.
 * Northwest Company is not even mentioned. It was one of the most important companies in the trade.
 * The main American Fur Company is barely mentioned. Pacific Fur was certainly not the only part of the company (and certainly not the longest lived).
 * The article should at least mention that the four great fur trading centers of the 18th century were Niagara, Detroit, Michilimackinac, and Grand Portage (Gilman, Rhoda R., 1991. The story of Minnesota's past, pp. 72–74).

--Mcorazao (talk) 17:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds like you have some good information to add. I look forward to your work.  WBardwin (talk) 00:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You may be waiting a long time. :-) This article isn't on my to-do list. I was just offering some pointers based on research I did for another article. --Mcorazao (talk) 16:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * So you criticise content, but are not willing to to contribute. Sounds like you are a project administrator in "real" life.  You might at least post a source or two for the information above, if you have some on your shelves.  Best wishes.  WBardwin (talk) 00:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I did post several sources. The two items I didn't give sources on are so widely discussed in a variety of sources that I didn't figure anything additional was really necessary. --Mcorazao (talk) 19:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. I'd point out that it is a little dangerous to be attacking editors for trying to help. WP thrives on collaboration. --Mcorazao (talk) 19:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You feel attacked? Interesting............  You really must be some kind of administrator in "real" time!  Perhaps middle management?  Just a joke -- sigh.  Although it is annoying to me that so many editors have a list of ideas to improve an article but little interest in writing the article itself.  As for sources, well, web pages aren't real sources.  They are created from a variety of other materials (just like Wikipedia), contain a lot of original research, and should be taken as tertiary sources at best.  Old fashioned, I guess its my training in history -- paper publications, reputable well-trained authors/publishers, biblographies, etc. work for me.   Most of my edits are on project pages, with limited time on discussion pages.  As in this case, perhaps my aversion to talk pages is simply that people tend to dictate rather than communicate.  Best wishes anyway.  WBardwin (talk) 02:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Dolin interview
Eric Jay Dolin, author of Fur Fortune and Empire, a source cited in this article was interviewed on CBC Ideas recently at http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/2011/05/25/fur-fortune-and-empire/ -- KenWalker | Talk 06:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Present day fur trade.
There's hardly anything about the present day fur trade. Crzyclarks (talk) 22:27, 10 May 2012 (UTC)