Talk:Futari wa Pretty Cure

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By じゅんちゃん
 * Uh.... what? Snarfies 18:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Talking about why the article should be blanked because of the Japanese version, and the stuff that happened there (dealing with infringement apparently). This argument was signed by "Junchan". ~kero // kero@prettycure.org, 13:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

About Blanking by 218.40.170.194
User:218.40.170.194 wrote some sentences here in Japanese after blanking this article. The purport of his assertion is as follows:
 * Notice for everyone watchg the article about "Futari wa Pretty Cure" in English Wikipedia.
 * This article has been blanked.(Because: Facts of piracies and reproductions in the article in Japanese Wikipedia came to light.)
 * Please nominate it for deletion if you can.
 * By Jun-chan

There is piracy in the article about precure, indeed, but it broke out in Japanese Wikipedia. This English Wikipedia has entirely nothing to do with the case. In Japanese Wikipedia, he is NOTORIOUS AS A PROBLEM USER whose argument is always full of inconsistencies. Then, don't worry about what he say. We Japanese Precureans wish all of you to enrich this article. Shota 13:13, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

English dub
There IS an english dub of the series, they've shown a preview of it in germany as part of a special at an anime-show called "Pokito TV". The english dub is pretty faithful to the original from what I've seen. So, there is an english dub, albeit not one shown in the USA.

The time before the Futari wa Pretty Cure article was changed (like now, there used to be a list of seiyuu's near the bottom), it said Amy Birnbaum and Priscilla Everett. No they aren't the PreCure girls actual English voices. It just said that. Then sometime last month, the article changed, and now the seiyuu's are now beside the characters names.

You guys better put those names back on because there is an English dub version voiced by Canadian voice actors. Blueknightex (talk) 10:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

English dub reduex
After relatively extensive investigation, I have found no evidence that the clips of the english dub shown on Pokito were anything more than a promotional video made (or more likely, given to some dub studio to make) for promotional purposes. In fact, the voice actors and actresses involved have been identified, and at least from those clips, the total cast number was too few to be a full dub, in my opinion (the same VA did Honoka and Mipple, and the same VA did both Dark King and Pissard and Zakenna). Also, the very fact that the German tv station had access to the dub before anyone else, and was allowed to show it on air tells me that the rights to it probably came with the rights to the show itself, i.e. the dub is owned by Toei, and not by any american company. In any case, I've updated the entry to reflect the current unknown state of the dub.

Fox Kids?
Why does the article say Precure airs on FoxKids and also mention that there's no dub or American company? I'm going to double check ANN, but unless someone can show me specifically where FoxKids has the rights to air Precure in the US, I'm going to delete that section. -Unsigned
 * Probably just someone jumping the gun based on a rumor. --the eternally unregistered Andrusi

Italy
Who broadcast PC in Italy (RAI Uno, RAi 2 or RAI 3)? -Unsigned

Dusk Zone needs clean up
I've flagged the Dusk Zone section for clean up, as some comments seem somewhat non-encyclopedic. But I myself am finding it hard to describe Pisard's appearance. GracieLizzie 20:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Just a note... his name is Evil King
According to the this page the name of the King is litterally "Jyaku (Evil) King". GracieLizzie 20:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Watching the episodes, it still sounds like Darku king to me. It could be the subtitles throwing me off, but it sounds like Darku to me. (CureWhite 12:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC))
 * His name is certainly "ジャアクキング(Jyāku King)" on a official website. Most viewers in Japan recognize it portmanteau of Japanese Jyāku(Evil) and  English King. --Kasuga 17:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Name notes
Maybe it's just me, and I'm not going to correct it because it'll probably just be undone again later, but I find it silly that the names are put in the accepted American/English standard rather than the Japanese. The Surname should come first. Flipping them around just seemed unncessary and silly to me.

ResuResu
Does anybody have ANY clue what ResuResu actually is? It might help if you can figure out what the rice dish is that was made for Choppi. I admit ignorance here. CureWhite

Rainbow Stones
Where does this "Rainbow Stones" translation come from? It sounds to me like they're saying the English word "prism." -Andrusi, registered at last
 * I'm pretty certain that it's supposed to be "Prism Stones" not "Rainbow Stones", according to the Japanese Wikipedia Pretty Cure article the name of these items are written with the following katakana プリズムストーン (purizumusutoon) and if you put the bit プリズム into the Japanese wikipedia you get the Prism article. Also if you Google プリズム Prism.co.jp is the first website it finds. GracieLizzie 21:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move (former)
Futari wa Pretty Cure → Pretty Cure – More commonly known English title

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Result: no move
No underpinning of rational, show some proof, no discussion, nothing to warrant page move. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 21:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Toei established Pretty Cure as this series' English-language title WhisperToMe 20:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Time for split?
This article is really looking very long. Perhaps it is time to split it up? Maybe we could give the main characters (Nagisa, Honoka, Hikari, Mai, and Saki) their own articles and start collective articles for the minor characters (school friends and family) villians and allies for each Pretty Cure universe (the Nagisa-Honoka-Hikari universe and the Splash Star universe) and and perhaps attack and item articles too? I do think this article is far too big at the moment. --GracieLizzie 09:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but there are WAY too many split tags. The sections that are about 7 lines long do not warrant a split, much less most of the rest of the article. ~ Oni Lukos ct 01:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * How about starting with splitting the characters to their own page like List of Futari wa Pretty Cure characters to begin with? A lot of character articles violate WP:FICT and the general consensus at WikiProject Anime and manga is to create these list of characters articles. --Squilibob 09:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that major characters, such as Nagisa, Honoka and Hikari could warrent there own pages with minor characters on one page (eg perhaps one page for both Pretty Cures, and Shiny Luminous and another for everyone else?) and when I put those splits in they were merely suggestions of potential spilts out but not nessarily each warrenting a unique page - if we had one page on Pretty Cure and Shiny Luminous we could discuss their attacks and items on that page too for example; So perhaps the following pages would be a good idea: Pretty Cure and allies - covering Cure White, Cure Black, Shiny Luminous, Mepple, Mipple, Porun, Rurun, and Pretty Cure's powers and items and The Splash Star Cures, Choppy, Flappy, and their attacks and items and Minor Pretty Cure Characters covering family members and school friends. Perhaps we could have a Pretty Cure adversaries page too though this could concivibly be contained in the Minor Characters page too.

--GracieLizzie 14:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe this article is still suitable for one page. Introducing more pages complicates things, too.  Perhaps the only split point I would recommend would be the orignal series from Max Heart, keeping original character information on the orignial page, and having new character information on the Max Heart page.  ~ kero // kero@prettycure.org, 13 October 2006
 * I think GracieLizzie latest suggestion is good. It resembles what other people have done, such as with Characters in Bleach. Split the page into a characters page and have separate articles for the main characters that would be large articles anyway. That is exactly what WP:FICT is getting at. If information about the main characters is too big for the main article they get their own page. I also agree with kero that a lot of information could also stay in the main article, also per WP:FICT. Actually, how about just following WP:FICT word for word? --Squilibob 04:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with GrazieLizzie. But shouldn't we try something like Ojamajo Doremi series when they show you the list of characters and the arcs in the different seasons? Let's give it a try. >_> Tikal-chan 11:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It does lower the amount of splits for the article, but like Ojamajo Doremi, each of the split articles would stub-sized information.Starcity ai 07:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

My take: Since Splash Star is an alternate universe from the Nagisa/Honoka one(first series and Max Heart), it should be spun off to a separate article. 'Nuff said... Ranma9617 08:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Splash Star should definitely be split off.  --Andrusi 23:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * For Ranma-kun, I will support his idea. Japanese Wikipedia also has the same thing, with Pretty Cure Splash Star split to a separate article. But anything related to Splash Star (key items, attacks) should be in that article. Tikal-chan 10:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've split off all the Splash Star stuff into its own article: Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star. GracieLizzie 23:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

How about this: putting the characters profiles on a separate page? I saw that in Tokyo Mew Mew. First their general information, along with a picture and profile. Who agrees? User:Precure girl289 13:33, 28 November 2006

I absolutely agree with the notion of giving all the main characters their own articles. Sana Jisushi 21:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

4th season?
I'm a user on PrettyCure.org, and somebody on the site said they are making a fourth season of PreCure. It's a rumuor, but is it true? That person said it's more like Tokyo Mew Mew, a group of girls. A group of three, and one of two. The first group is the main characters, while the other two show up later. Just a darn rumour... But is it really true? Precure girl289 12:05, 19 November 2006
 * There's not a huge amount of information available yet, but Yes! Pretty Cure 5 will apparently feature five girls, and apparently two of them are somehow different from the other three. (Here and here are the relevant LiveJournal posts.)  Three being the main characters and the other two showing up later is just speculation at the moment.  --Andrusi 21:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I found out the rumor is true. See the above post. So, the five girls are actually a team of five, not two separate groups. But just wait and see when it airs in Japan... Precure girl289 13:25, 28 November 2006.

Merge Yes! PreCure 5 to Futari wa Pretty Cure?
While we probably will need a Yes! PreCure 5 article sometime in the future, I don't think it needs it's own article yet. We just don't know enough about it yet to justify a separate article I think.--GracieLizzie 00:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

About cleanup issue in this article
Hey guys, I know I wasn't the one who put the cleanup tag, but I do remember a hidden comment in the article. It says: ''Top of the page and each section needs cleanup. And how about translate the data from Japanese Wikipedia?'' Now I know what is going on now, the general information on the two Max Heart movies are missing and some of the items used in Pretty Cure are missing (yep, I have added them already)! Who agrees? Tikal-chan 06:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I do. The article does need clean-up, and info for the movies. Precure girl289 13:27, 28 November 2006
 * Thanks anyway, I will try to add the movie info if I can. Oh, and by the way, which specific cleanup tag should I use instead? Should I replace the cleanup tag with the "attention from expert" tag? (which means this article needs attention from an expert on Futari wa Pretty Cure) Tikal-chan 04:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Airing in U.S next fall/winter?
As it says in the infobox of the article, it says 4Kids Coming Winter 2007. But in the Media section, no premiere date announced. Then who put that there? As I checked on another Website (it's called 4Kids Lincences Pretty Cure), someone said on that other site the show will air next coming September or October, but on here, next year. I know that the Media section said 'no premiere date has been announced', but is it really going to air either next Fall or next Winter? Precure girl286 17:40 p.m. 10 December 2006
 * Great, 4Kids. Can't wait to see how they screw this one over. Coolgamer 21:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * John Oppliger seems to think they aren't bothering to air it but this is just conjecture on his part. Mind you he is rather well informed on the subject of anime maybe he's right? --GracieLizzie 00:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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no consensus. Kyle Barbour 00:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Futari wa Pretty Cure → Pretty Cure — It airs as Pretty Cure in serveral European coutries. And, In Singapore, where English is one of the Four official languages, MediaCorp aired it as Pretty Cure. JSH-alivetalk to mesee my worksmail to me 06:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) Support &mdash; The PRETTY CURE Official Site for Business Opportunities uses "Pretty Cure" (without "Futari wa"). That pretty much guarantees that the anime will be marketed in the English-speaking world as "Pretty Cure".--Endroit 15:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

 * 1) Oppose while It will be marketed as Pretty Cure, I personally see Pretty Cure as an over-arching title for the franchise. Futari wa Pretty Cure refers to the first series to me, whereas Max Heart means the second, Splash Star the third and Yes! PreCure 5 means the fourth. --GracieLizzie 15:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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Cleanup
I did a little cleaning-up to the article. I re-arranged it and removed some of the non-notable information. I have some suggestions to the editors:
 * Most of the article is lists: lists of characters, lists of attacks, list of places... I'd recommend changing into prose, into paragraphs. I didn't get around to it (what little I did took longer that expected) but the artifacts and locations should be moved inside the series that introduced them. Also, images of the artifacts would be nice.
 * Use the Template:nihongo when using kanji and romanji. I used it for the series titles. Use it for the characters' names, too.
 * Reliable sources. John Oppliger of Anime nation has a few columns where he answered questions regarding Pretty Cure. Use them, they're a good source of out-of-universe information. Ask John:Will Pretty Cure Turn Lesbian? comes to mind.
 * Also read the news articles about Pretty Cure over at ANN. That's where I found the Asahi polls.
 * Have a look at the Recognised articles of WP:ANIME for ideas of what makes a good anime article. To brag {or not to brag), take a look at The Big O article, taken to Good article status by yours truly.--Nohansen 20:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Now, we can split into Pretty Cure and Pretty Cure Max Heart. And, can you clean up Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star and Yes! PreCure 5 also?--JSH-alivetalk to mesee my worksmail to me 13:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I already split the article into seasons. If you mean split Max Heart to a new article, I don't think there's enough info to warrant it. If anything, move the artifacts and locations to their corresponding series. (like I need with "Heroes" and "New Heroes" or "Powers of Pretty Cure")
 * What is needed is a List of Futari wa Pretty Cure episodes article and a Characters of Futari wa Pretty Cure article. There's 96 episodes and two movies, surely there's enough info to create them. I also created a Pretty Cure category, so be sure to add it to any and all articles relating to the series.
 * Yes! PreCure 5 is still in the early stages, not enough "crud" to need cleaning. Since I'm not familiar with Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star, I don't feel confident to work on it. I may remove, reword or rearrange something I shouldn't have. Better let someone who's seen the series do it. Just use this article as a model.
 * A Reception section is need in anime articles: popularity, reviews and the like. For example, I remember reading Pretty Cure was pretty popular with young females (their targer demographic) and older males (not their targer demographic). That little tidbit of information would go well in there.--Nohansen 14:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed the description of Sailor Moon as being "the quintessenial magical girl" show - because it's not. It's just the most famous for the mainstream US audience. Sailor Moon is more of a tokusatsu sentai series with magical girl elements. Quintessential magical girl would be Mahoutsukai Sally, Creamy Mami, Cardcaptor Sakura, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.190.199 (talk) 09:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Episodes
Shouldn't there be a list of episodes somewhere in this article?  R e i k a  19:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Prettycure1.jpg
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Kyoko Mori
Would this be a character in this anime? I don't see it listed on the page, but the Mori disambig lists it as being a character in this anime. I would like to redirect that and Mori Kyoko and such to the proper direction. Maybe one of the sequels? Tyciol (talk) 02:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Kaoru Kiryuu
Someone also added this to the Kaoru disambig as a character in this series but I can't find them listed. As above, could someone help sort this out? Tyciol (talk) 21:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Kaoru Kiryuu is a character in Pretty Cure Splash Star (the third season of the franchise). I've corrected the disambig page to link to the correct season. PrecureJunkie (talk) 02:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Rename Request

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The result of the move request was proposal moot; target name created. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Futari wa Pretty Cure → Pretty Cure &mdash; I propose that we rename this Futari wa Pretty Cure -> Pretty Cure, to make this article easier for readers to find, and use the name that is more familiar to western viewers. Fei noh a  Talk, My master 22:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support — IAW WP:UE and WP:UCN — V = I * R  (talk) 02:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Though I think 1st series should be renamed Futari wa Pretty Cure -> Pretty Cure (anime) and leave Pretty Cure as a franchise tag. Violent-kun (talk) 05:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose as I have just produced Pretty Cure, an article that covers the entire franchise and differentiating it from the English title of the show.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 08:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
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Dub versus Original Names
Which should be listed first? It seems to vary throughout the article. CaitsMeow (talk) 19:36, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, we have no evidence that any series beyond the first have been licensed, so I say dub names when explicitly referring to the first series, and original names for everything else. Matty-chan (talk) 19:00, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Precure vs Pretty Cure
For the purposes of the first series it shouldn't be shorted to the franchise name of Precure. The YTV dub called it "Pretty Cure" not "precure" and either this or "Futari wa Pretty Cure"(translated JP) are acceptable but it should not be shortened as far as this series is concerned. Darkcat1 (talk) 20:32, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

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Lead name doesn't match article title -- possible rename?
This article is titled "Futari wa Pretty Cure", yet the lead reads "Futari wa PreCure". Which name are we going by? And why aren't we going by "Pretty Cure" when it's released under that name in the West? We could just easily rename it to "Pretty Cure (2004 TV series)" since there's already an article under "Pretty Cure." lullabying (talk) 23:07, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Either "Futari wa Pretty Cure" or "Futari wa PreCure", just need to be consistent with all of the other series. Renaming to the suggested article title will only cause more confusion (especially -> Max Heart) and make the article hard to find/distinguish, also WP:UCRN. Recent news (Crunchyroll/ANN/others) reference this series by "Futari wa PreCure". Rctgamer3 (talk) 04:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism
Just thought I'd point out this page has clearly been vandalized by someone. I'm very sorry I'm not tech savvy or I'd attempt to fix it myself. 80.189.87.198 (talk) 11:53, 16 November 2023 (UTC)