Talk:Futurama/Archive 1

Celebrity voice actors
Stephen Hawking? How do you know it wasn't just someone with a SimpleText program and a speaker? Was he actually listed in the credits? Did he actually take the time out of his busy schedule as a physics theorist to go to a studio and degradingly record the voice out of his speakerbox for the novelty value? DryGrain 13:51, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was him (Stephen Hawking's IMDb page). Ausir 14:06, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * What exactly is so degrading about it? He has stated before that he identifies with that voice as his. Quite frankly, it humanizes him to know that he's willing to make fun of himself by playing a murderous credit-stealing jackass.


 * And if you think Hawking is busy, Al Gore appeared in the same episode while being Vice President of the US and planning his presidential run. -- Cyrius|&#9998 17:06, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * Hawking is also the only person to play himself (or rather a hologram of himself) in a Star Trek episode. Ausir 18:50, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Plus he was on The Simpsons, where he was introduced as "The World's Smartest Man!" --Arteitle 22:32, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)

And was misidentified by Homer as Larry Flynt, parapalegic publisher of Hustler.

Wasnt it *fouth* and last season? They were broadcast as 5 seasons, but made as four.


 * Why don't you do some research, and update the article accourdingly? MB 00:52 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * All 72 episodes were originally created in 4 production runs called 1ACV to 4ACV. They were aired in five season, this current season being the 5th season.  The announcement that they were going to stop production of Futurama came in the 3rd season (2001).  I guess we should update the article to refelct this.  Tonights episode was S05E09 or 4ACV12  MB 01:05 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)

" and horribly inefficient "transport tubes." "

As an avid Futurama watcher, I'm not sure this has been illustrated satisfactorily (with the exception of Fry's shenanigans) should this be removed?

Perhaps, althought it's only mentioned in the briefest passing. I too agree that it is unfair to call the tubes inefficient, we've only seen them in action in a handful of shows. They're hardly part of the series. Cogibyte 04:17, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * There was an episode where the mayor opens a new tube line because of the congestion, however generally they work fine Paul Weaver

About the speculation section... I put that in because I saw a connection, and nobody has taken it down yet. I haven't seen it documented anywhere else, so I'd like some feedback on the possibility. Anybody agree? Cogibyte 01:51, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I like your theory but I don't think it's actually very acurate.
 * the pessimistic, depressed, super-intelligent robot Marvin the Paranoid Android is similar to the pessimistic, suicide-prone (in the first episode), hard-drinking robot Bender
 * Marvin is well known for his intelligence while Bender is not. Bender is lazy, greedy and a cleptomaniac, not of that applies to Marvin who always does as ordered by humans despite complaining about it. Appart from both beeing suicidal robots I don't think they've got anything in common.
 * The cheerful, attractive, intelligent Trillian parallels the good-natured, attractive, competent Leela.
 * I wouldn't describle either of them as especially cheerful or attractive.
 * Fry, the displaced, somewhat bumbling liability and last surviving 20th centurian closely resembles Arthur Dent, the displaced, confused, liability and last surviving 20th centurian, and earthling.
 * Arthur Dent isn't the last surving human beeing because Trillian is also human (and therefore not the last surving "20th centurian"), also all the non human characters could be described as "20th centurians". I don't really see why beeing one of only two humans left alive is in any way similar to beeing the last "20th centurian". Also Fry and Dent aren't really similar at all. Dent is an average human who finds the alien culture very strange, while Fry also finds the 31st century very strange he is also of below average intelligence.
 * The strongest connection are the mutually cocky, showish, shortsighted, womanizing, ships Captians Zapp Brannigan in Futurama and Zaphod Beeblebrox in HGG. Even the names are similar (ZB).
 * There are some similarities there I admit but I think its probably coincidence.
 * Professor Farnsworth once declared himself dead as a tax dodge. Hotblack Desiato, a rock singer did the exact same thing in HHGG.
 * I don't rember Farnsworth declaring himself dead. Was he really dead or just pretending? If he was just pretending then its not really like Hotblack Desiato at all.
 * The writing style is not a wide departure either; both series use a sharply ironic and character based humor.
 * You could say that about most sitcoms so it's hardly much of a connection. I don't really think they're much like each other at all really apart from both beeing comedy science fiction. Saul Taylor 08:14, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Professor Farnsworth did not declare himself dead as a tax dodge. Hermes's son incorrectly believed that the Professor had done so, but the Professor himself denied it, complaining that he once took a nap in a ditch in the park, and "they" declared him dead for no good reason (yet another example of the "throwaway" lines). Publius 19:02, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Does any one think the "speculation" section should stay? It seems completely un-encyclopedic to me, at best debatable and at worst completely unfounded. Saul Taylor 05:32, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to belatedly address the (long-since deleted) statement that Fry was the "last surviving 20th centurian" by pointing out a few other 20th century defrostees we've seen in the 31st century. Off the top of my head: Fry's ex-girlfriend, Pauly Shore, and "That Guy" (though he's no longer "surviving", having succumbed to his boneitis). --Arteitle 04:35, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)

I added short bits explaining what consoles the game was available on, and about the spin-off Bongo Comics series too. Considering the comic books the only form Futurama is still continuing in, I thought it was worth the mention. Perhaps it is worth breaking the bits about the game/comics off into a 'Merchandising' or 'Spin-offs' section, for neatness and clarity, as they now fall under 'Production', but are nothing to do with the animated series' production. Any opinions on that idea? (WikiSimon, 19 March 2004)


 * I broke the parts about non-broadcast media into their own section, without having read this first. =) It could probably use a retitle. "Non-broadcast media" is sounding decent right now.


 * Having 'Spin-offs' and 'Merchandising' sections (you'd need both) isn't justified with the current text volume in the section. -- Cyrius 23:34, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)

Speculation section deleted
since nobody has argued for keeping the "speculation" section since I asked whether it should be deleted or not, I have now removed it from the page.Saul Taylor 15:58, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

If anyone thinks it should be put back then heres the full text:


 * It seems possible that some of the characters and settings found in Futurama episodes are loosely based on Douglas Adams' books and radio series The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. For example, the pessimistic, depressed, super-intelligent robot Marvin the Paranoid Android  is similar to the pessimistic, suicide-prone (in the first episode), hard-drinking robot Bender.  The cheerful, attractive, intelligent Trillian parallels the good-natured, attractive, competent Leela.  Fry, the displaced, somewhat bumbling liability and last surviving 20th centurian closely resembles Arthur Dent, the displaced, confused, liability and last surviving 20th centurian, and earthling. The strongest connection are the mutually cocky, showish, shortsighted, womanizing, ship captains of Zapp Brannigan in Futurama and Zaphod Beeblebrox in Hitchhiker's Guide.  Even the names are similar (ZB).


 * Professor Farnsworth once declared himself dead as a tax dodge. In Hitchhiker's Guide, a rock singer named Hotblack Desiato did exactly the same thing.


 * The writing style is not a wide departure either; both series use a sharply ironic and character based humor. Futurama however, being only produced for television, is more mass consumable; its jokes are less involved or as serious.


 * The article on Zapp Brannigan reproduced the speculation linking him with Zaphod Beeblebrox. Following the discussion on this page, I nixed it there.  (After all, Brannigan obtained his captaincy by working up a&mdash;presumably incompetent&mdash;chain of command, whilst Beeblebrox got the Heart of Gold by stealing it.)  Anville 14:21, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Of course, Beeblebrox got on the Heart of Gold by being the figurehead president of the galaxy. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 18:16, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Episode summaries
Is there any demand for more episode summaries like Futurama (animated series) season 1? -- Cyrius 20:17, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Hmm, most of those summaries look like they've been lifted straight out of TV Guide or something. "Fry discovers the nuts and bolts of living with a robot."  I don't even know if this stuff is copyvio or not... Original summaries would be good though- we have them for plenty of other shows. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 21:13, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)


 * The summaries on the season 1 page are copyvio, and are first on the hitlist. The existing season 2 summaries look to be in the clear, but might get rewritten anyway just in case. -- Cyrius 01:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I've rewritten the Season 1 summaries, but they're definitely works in progress. They're overly detailed, and need a lot trimming. I included a few quotes for each episode that I think provide good characterization, add to the setting, or provide social commentary, but YMMV. -- Cyrius 08:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Inventions
"showcases numerous technological advantages that have been developed by the year 3000." - followed not by technological advantages but bizare inventions developed by the Professor that never see the light of day. Can't think of a good edit to clarify this. --DamienG 21:12, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

anti-MP3 slant
More attention need to be given to the horribly undisguised anti-MP3 message from "I Dated a Robot". How can Groening claim to be different from Family Guy when he's just as loud a mouthpiece for some half-assed, questionable "cause"?

Um, what cause? Believing in intellectual property rights? Oh, no, how dare he? Everything should be free for you, right?

Maybe he's... JOKING?

Or maybe just because something is a satire doesn't make it the same as Family Guy. I believe Groening claims that Futurama is different from Family Guy because of the structure of the show. Family Guy is a series of non-linear one-liners while Futurama is a somewhat more plausible storyline. Both are unique works in adult animation, and both are humor-based, but pointing out that both have satiric messages and are thus the same show is a bit inane.

Broken Images?
Neither image is working for me. The image page says they were uploaded on January 27, 2004, during the "January Gap", and the web server is reporting a 404 on the actual image url. I doubt the uploader Maveric149 still has them. -- Cyrius 23:17, Mar 19, 2004 (UTC)

Links for unneeded articles
I rolled back; those links weren't all useless by any stretch. If people don't want them, don't click on them. Meelar 04:32, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Many of those links will not be used for anything. For instance, the Space Pope: the character only shows up for a few seconds in the series, with hardly any information as to what he is at all. There's no need for such excessive linking, and there isn't a need for several articles on every little detail of the series. And even for the ones that exist, there isn't a need for links to every single word. -- LGagnon


 * I agree wih this and the Space Pope is the perfect example. All we know about the Space Pope is that he is reptilian. There's nothing there to make an article out of. Likewise, Soylent Cola and the Finglonger are never going to have enough information for a real article. Links need to be kept relevant, and links to intern, bureaucrat, and business aren't. -- Cyrius | Talk 22:15, Apr 2, 2004 (UTC)


 * I am in agreement. I've never cared for a link to every single show, especially when those pages aren't written.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and a detailed article for each episode of one of many television series doesn't seem to belong.  Listing the episodes and a brief summary, fine.  But there are resources on the web that deal with the series more thoroughly, and this page links to them.  Furthermore, whereas items such as the Space Pope 'may' need 'some' explanation, I agree with the parent; that it doesn't justify an entire article.  Wikifying every proper noun is not responsible editing. --Cogibyte 03:01, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

An article on the Space Pope was recently made, despite this debate. Maybe we should have that one deleted, as well as any other unneeded articles created recently that could simply have their contents put in this article? -- LGagnon 23:36, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Maybe merge them into some sort of secondary one-shot background characters article. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 23:40, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

We still have a bunch of stub articles being made for both major and minor characters from this series. Could we please just make one Characters of Futurama article and merge all those into it? There's no need for all these gratuitous stubs. There are also other unneeded articles being made that can be found in the Futurama category that should be either merged into this article or given a single article for themselves. Having so many of these for every tiny aspect of the series is just ridiculous. -- [[User talk:LGagnon|LGagnon]] 04:45, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * This idea is doubleplusgood... Fandom seems to be running rampant for a number of series' and we're practically tripping ofer stubs. Suggest merging into one page, and leaving redirects at each character name article to the single page (my idea would be Futurama (TV series - characters). -- Netoholic 05:00, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * The articles for the major characters are fairly large and well-established. Creating a combined page for all the minor characters would probably help things though. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 17:53, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The amount of arbitrary Futurama articles has only continued to grow out of control. I suggest someone starts merging all the minor character articles into one article, and then merge all of the other minor detail articles into articles for such things. The current state of it all is just rediculous, and needs to be fixed immediately. -- LGagnon 18:37, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

Quotes to Wikiquote?
Maybe we should move the recently added quotes to the Wikiquote page for Futurama (there's a link in the article's External links section to it). -- LGagnon


 * If you want to do the work, I won't complain. It'll need some restructuring to handle the short conversation quotes though. -- Cyrius|&#9998 04:06, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)

When was this set?
According to this article, Futurama is set in the year 3000. According to 30th century, most of Futurama is set in the 31st century.


 * The portions of Futurama that aren't set in the "present" begin on December 31, 2999, with the defrosting of Philip J. Fry after almost exactly 1000 years of cryogenic suspension. The four production seasons of Futurama correspond roughly to years within the Futurama universe. The second season episode "Xmas Story" is explicitly set on December 24, 3000, leaving most of the show's run to take place after new year's day, 3001.


 * So Futurama is initially set in the year 3000, but most of the show's episodes are set in the 31st century. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 02:05, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * The article as it stands is misleading. My suggestion: Set in "New New York City" during the present (January 1, 2000) and over four years beginning on December 31, 2999, ... Brianjd 05:53, 2004 Dec 1 (UTC)

That's stupid. The term "31st century" conjurs up no details of _exactly_ when it was set, and so should be taken as a rough estimate of at least about 1000 years from now. Anything more would be pedantic.

Holy Zombie _______!
In multiple episodes of Futurama [off the top of my head, the one where Lila goes blind and Bender becomes a gangster; and another episode where they find the underwater city of Atlanta], Professor Farnsworth says in astonismhent "Holy Zombie--" and then the last word has been edited out by [adult swim]. I've been dying to know what word got censored from that line. If anyone's got the DVD maybe they could figure it out. Maybe it could go in the trivia section or under the Professor's character page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ARBlackwood (talk • contribs)


 * The full quote is "Sweet Zombie Jesus!". Also, please sign your Talk posts ( ~ ). EVula 06:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * He says "Sweet Zombie Jesus" in "The Deep South," and "Holy Zombie Jesus" in "Bender Gets Made." Elwood00 T 14:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Production
Do we really have to have the last line of 'Devil's Hands' quoted? The last time I visited this page, I hadn't seen it, and if the quote had been in then I'd have been pretty annoyed to have the ending 'spoiled' in a small way. I've since seen it, but I'm not sure the quote is strictly necessary or relevant to this bit. Some people who haven't seen all the episodes will surely be visiting.
 * I think the line fits well with the context and doesn't give away very much about the last episode. After all, how easy is it to infer the rest of "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings" from that one sentence?  (It's rather like when my friend Ian told me the last line of the Simpsons Halloween episode "Homer3" was "Mmm, erotic cakes."  I didn't have a clue in Robot Hell what the episode would be about.) Anville 14:17, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mike Levey Parody
Was there a parody of Mike Levey on Futurama? --66.215.219.188 08:41, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * You've asked minor variations on this question in three different places. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 13:49, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Minor Characters page
L33tminion said "Split off minor characters to seperate article in response to objection" in a recent edit, what was this objection, moving the recurring characters to another page seems unnecessary to me and I would like to change it back. I do think it could use a bit of cropping though (mainly LaBarbara Conrad and Father Changstein-El-Gamal) - Diceman 12:35, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * This article is a featured article candidate (see above). I objected to the inclusion of a long list of characters in this article because it doesn't need one here. There are only six or seven main characters in the series; all the rest are supporting characters. In fact, I objected to this article becoming a feature article because it needs significant work; almost all of it is made up of lists. --b. Touch 21:24, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Featured Candidacy
When I saw this article, I thought it seemed like an overlooked featured candidate, but after the constructive criticism it has received, it is clearly not at that level yet. Still, this is an excellent article, and I would like to congratulate the people who worked on it immensely. I'm going to refer this to peer review, and do some more work on editing the article. I think that this article will definitely be able to meet the featured standard. --L33tminion | (talk) 16:56, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

Things that need to be done: --L33tminion | (talk) 16:09, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Add references (including in-article references)
 * Make more prose-like (but I love the lists of trivia... perhaps some of those should branch off into seperate articles?)
 * Make introduction more robust
 * Add more screen captures (that's already been improved quite a bit)
 * The info on syndication in the intro might be incorrect, that needs to be clarified ("Appearing on Cartoon Network does not mean it's in syndication (it just means its being re-run), and doesn't it come on the other Turner networks as well?", "If a show is being broadcast on a major network at a fixed time, regaurdless of country (for example, on Teletoon in Canada), that is not syndication; it's just being re-run.")


 * As far as references go, would it be sufficient to list the Futurama series as the reference. Or should we be adding footnotes to facts on an episode by episode basis? I would think the series is sufficient instead of episode numbers the same way a book title is sufficient instead of page numbers.--Will2k 14:23, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * For material derived from the show itself&mdash;character info, plot references, and so forth&mdash;I think listing the series is enough. In some cases, it may be necessary to do more:  for example, when one episode contradicts another.  (Remember, this is an encyclopedia article, not a fansite.)  However, for this article to become an FA, we need to establish why the subject is relevant.  This requires outside information about the show's production history, its critical reception, awards won and beratings suffered, references seen elsewhere, and all that.
 * Anville 16:30, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Futurama: TV series > Fair exhibit
Concerning whether Futurama should direct to the TV series article, not the fair exhibit, see Talk:Futurama.

Amy Wong
Does anybody know if Amy speaks Cantonese? Beacuse in the episode "Amazon Women in the Hood", when Amy is bending Bender's arm, she mumbled something in "Chinese". However, the Caption said it was Cantonese. So I'm quite confused here.

For people that know the answer, would you please reply?
 * Cantonese is a dialect of Chinese.--Will2k 13:37, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

CANCELLATION
Someone should add a section discussing the show's cancellation... Themindset 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * The "Production" section has quite a bit on the cancellation. Did you want more? -- Cyrius|&#9998; 22:37, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it would be interesting if someone mentioned why the series was cancelled. Did it have low ratings? -- Andrew Parodi 09:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, its cancellation had more to do with expense than popularity. Futurama had excellent, high-quality animation that often included artfully-done CG and sprawling backgrounds. You could order a whole season of something with low-grade, assembly-line animation like, say, Family Guy, for the cost of one or two episodes of Futurama. -RannXXV 19:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Then again, there is the fact that this is Fox who cancelled the show. I know it is a bit old, but it does seem a common gripe by many people that Fox cancels shows prematurely as can be seen in Family Guy's return and the recent talk about a potential Futurama re-birth. -Thebdj 20:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Clothing
Is there any information on the rings that are on the shoulders of most people's suit jackets?

they are there to make the clothing look futuristic, I assume.......


 * Nobody wears rings. Rings are stupid.


 * To the person who found the above comment offensive its actually a quote from the show regarding 'raver' rings Discordance 16:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed their comment because I found that offensive. (February 3, 2006)

Linguistics section
I found a problem in the linguistics section about ask-aks, the reason ask in the future is aks is because the incorrect slang/ebonics changes ask to aks, and in the future this is accepted as the norm. " In certain cases, transposition of adjacent consonants, particularly when the first is [s]. For instance "ask" realized "aks""--wikipedia-ebonics...And i hear aks first hand. Does anyone else agree? ---citanul I have a few problems with the linguistics section: Any thoughts? --Pagrashtak 19:45, 12 July 2005 (UTC) I agree with the first and third point -- I just thought the same thing while reading the article. "Happy Birthday" has been replaced by a song with new lyrics and a somewhat different tune. Of course, the article is itself clogged with excess trivia and logical leaps -- it really needs a cleanup. --24.21.96.58 13:44, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * "The sound duh, used to express exasperation, has been joined by the sounds guh, buh, spluh and other similar sounds." and "obviously has been replaced with globviously" - I don't believe these are actual linguistic changes, just Amy's way of speaking, or popular slang at best. This would be like a article about today stating that "the word 'jewelry' has been replaced by 'bling'".
 * "The lyrics to 'Happy Birthday' and 'Santa Claus is Coming to Town' have been replaced with modern counterparts." - I don't remember the "Happy Birthday" change off the top of my head, but "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" had the tune changed (most likely for copyright reasons), so it's technically not the same song, and the lyrics were changed for humor (not to mention that using the real lyrics would be infringement also), not to indicate that the popular song had undergone revisions. Perhaps the bigger issue here anyways is these lyric changes are not really linguistic changes in the first place, and would not fall under this category anyways.
 * "Smizmar means 'life partner'" - This is a borrowed word from an alien language, and I don't believe that the average human would refer to his wife as his "smizmar". It would only be used to refer to persons of Kiff's species, or similar species.


 * All very good points. This article needs a clean up as people seem to keep wanting to add too much random trivia to it.  Should we split off a seperate trivia page for all the surplus that people keep adding? --Apyule 00:57, 14 July 2005 (UTC)


 * The first thing this article needs is massive pruning. For example, the bulleted list under the "Setting" section is a) a list, which Wikipedia is not, and (IMO) b) not important enough to be included anyways. I don't think it should be split off into a separate page either, for reason b). The next step would be to add more "real-life" information about the show, such as the content in the "Production" and "Non-broadcast production" sections. These would also be the sections to include more references. Is anyone interested in trying to bring this article up to Featured Article standards? --Pagrashtak 03:12, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Could it be appropriate to mention in this section that the name of the planet Uranus has been changed to Urectum? Orri Tómasson 09:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Article Cleanup
Alright, I took my own advice and started pruning. I've started moving things under the appropriate heading (Richard Nixon -> Politics) and deleted some things that were mentioned more than once (Richard Nixon again). I split off doop and parallel universes into their own sections. Actually, I was somewhat tempted to delete the parallel universes part - I'm not sure it's important enough for this article - but I've been bold enough for today. I also moved the pictures around to try to make the page look a little better. Other thoughts for this article that I thought I'd try to get a consensus of on first: As always, I welcome your feedback. I'm going on vacation for the weekend, I'll get started with more cleaning when I get back if there aren't objections. --Pagrashtak 20:04, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete the list of political third parties. done
 * Delete (or merge elsewhere) the "Parallel universes" section - I feel that this section is distracting right now, the information is not as integral to the show as other sections. done
 * Find a way to move the "Characters" section higher - Introducing the reader to this information earlier on will make reading the rest of the article easier, as the other sections reference characters. done
 * Find a way to move the "Production" section higher - As I mentioned above, I think this article needs to focus more on "real-life" information, such as the Production section. rejected
 * Does anyone else find it weird that the words "Rough Draft Studios" are nowhere found in this article?
 * good work, and excellent things to keep working on. --Apyule 02:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd like to help. Frankly, I think most of the trivia needs to be cut out. It's not encyclopedic, and it's well-covered by other websites. It seems that older versions of this article had even more lists, but they were "cleaned up" by putting them into prose.
 * I think the standard here should be to read each paragraph like you'd never seen the show before. Does it make sense? I feel that most of the inline, unexplained trivia on this and other Futurama-related pages (like Bender Bending Rodriguez) would be massively confusing to anyone who wasn't familar with the series. Thoughts? --Djur 05:42, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I haven't receive any objections, so I removed the third party list and the parallel universe section. I also did a little editing to the politics section while I was in there. I'm undecided about the order of the sections. I'd appreciate it if someone could point me to a couple of well-written articles about TV shows that are fairly lengthy to see how it's been handled elsewhere. --Pagrashtak 02:55, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Some other articles to look at are are Family Guy and The Simpsons (good because of the similarities to Futurama), and the following featured articles on TV shows: Blackadder, Coronation Street, Dawson's Creek and Doctor Who.  Felix_the_Cat and Our Gang are also worth looking at.  Hope that this helps. --Apyule 05:09, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I moved the Characters and Planet Express sections to the top and made them subsections of the new Characters and plot section, as the Family Guy and The Simpsons articles have the characters and plot up top. I edited the Planet Express section some (shortened names, etc.) since it's right below the character section. Seeing as how each character has his/her own page, I think the next thing to do is rework that section as prose instead of a list, possibly leaving some of the trivia for the character pages, merging the Char and Plan Ex sections in the process. I've changed my mind about moving the Production section, Setting needs to come before it. --Pagrashtak 14:54, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I nixed the "Trivia" section, which consisted of two bullet points:
 * ==Trivia==


 * Fry, Leela, Bender, the Professor and Richard Nixon are the only characters to appear in both the first and the last episodes of the series.
 * Fry, Leela and Bender are the only characters to appear in every episode of the series. In second place are the Professor and Doctor Zoidberg who both appear in 70 of the 72 episodes.


 * It's not very illuminating and not at all necessary&mdash;the only part of it which might spruce up the article is the trivium about Richard Nixon, which could easily be merged elsewhere. Anville 17:44, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Futurama Direct-to-Video Greenlit
Did anyone read this article yet: IGN DVD Exclusive - Futurama Direct-to-Video Greenlit? Perhaps, after the direct-to-video movie, this means the show could return like Family Guy!!! -Hyad 02:34, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Episode Articles
Since M*A*S*H has over 1,000 articles about each and every episode, I thought this could do with some. Comments? -- A Link to the Past 23:01, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * I have no opinions about whether it is a good idea or not. But if it is done, they should be made by chopping up the episode guides rather than starting from scratch. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 23:09, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, no doubt about that, but we need...


 * The Writer
 * The Director
 * Episode #
 * Air Date
 * References (as in, like, pop culture, movies, etc.)
 * Trivia

Etc. -- A Link to the Past 23:44, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * It looks like you can find most of that information here. siafu 23:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Is that a 'no, I disagree with putting this information on Wikipedia since it's there already' or a 'here, use this to put it on Wikipedia'? -- A Link to the Past 00:00, July 20, 2005 (UTC)`
 * It's a "you were looking for specific information so here's a source that has that information!" Personally I think that individual episode articles sounds like a lot of work that I'm not interested in doing, but if that's your thing, have at it. siafu 00:08, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Please, no references and no trivia. That very quickly turns into a giant cesspool of speculative garbage. As far as writer, director, and air date, have you not seen Futurama (TV series - season 1) and its siblings at all? -- Cyrius|&#9998; 00:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I decided to test it out with the Pilot episode. Could I get help with that one, to see how well it is executed?


 * Also, not particularly knowing much about the Season articles. Futurama is loaded with references, as well. Star Trek, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Mario, etc. -- A Link to the Past 00:23, July 20, 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm confused; what are you adding that's not in Futurama (TV series - season 1), as Cyrius mentioned, and why would you add it to this article and not to the articles about the episodes? May I suggest that this be moved to Talk:Futurama (TV series - season 1)? --Pagrashtak 00:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * It will be able to go more indepth on a brief summary and a couple lists. If each episode went indepth on the Season pages, it'd be huge. -- A Link to the Past 00:45, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

What exactly have you tested out? -- Cyrius|&#9998; 00:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Nothing yet. But I'm gonna try it soon, tomorrow probably. -- A Link to the Past 00:56, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

DOOP and Duplo logo
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Doop logo is a parody of the Lego Duplo logo. See below. Anyone agree? They look pretty similar. -Hyad 23:26, July 25, 2005 (UTC) right|150px|, right|75px|


 * They don't look terribly similar to me. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 02:42, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that they look very similar. The font is virtually identical.  I guess that it could be mentioned in the doop article. --Apyule 05:04, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Pretty much any two sans-serif fonts rendered with a thick stroke in yellow will look fairly similar to these. The DOOP does not and should not have its own article, and even if it did, this is pure speculation. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 07:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I would like to merge the DOOP article into this article. --Pagrashtak 13:34, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Even if the doop logo is a parody of duplo, I haven't seen this idea mentioned anywhere else, so to put it in the article might violate the No original research rule&mdash;unless you know of an external source for this.


 * BTW I have a feeling this has been discussed before, but I notice that 'doop' has been uppercased throughout the article. Given that it is only ever written in lower case in the show, shouldn't we use lower case too? --DudeGalea 08:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * It's my assumption the DOOP logo is lower case so can be viewed from either way up (which would make sense in directionless space). On the DOOP website itself they use upper case letters (http://www.doop.org/), plus uppercase is the starndard convention for acronyms. - Diceman 14:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * That's a fan site, why are you treating it as canon? -- Cyrius|&#9998; 16:44, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I'll submit it as evidence in any case. - Diceman 15:09, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You're all wrong! I figure that it was taken from the artwork of the single Doop by the artist Doop (a cheesy dance trank sampling Charleston-esque music( that was originally released in 1993.  The font on the cover is identical!

You'll find an example of it here: http://www.lynpaulwebsite.org/Resources/Doop-Doop.jpg

Space Wasp (first episode) vs. Space Bee ("The Sting" 5th episode)
In the dvd commentary, it was mentioned that they realized that the first episode mentions the space wasps, yet in "The Sting", it was Space Bees. I think they said it was changed because wasps don't produce honey. Calyth

New Season
There should be a new season of this show! RyanCahn


 * That's nice, Ryan. Just don't go pretending that what you want is true like you've tried elsewhere. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 03:45, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * There are talks of a direct-to-DVD Futurama Movie. Slashdot article here. Calyth 15:21, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Why did they stopped it in the first place? Anyone knows why? --antilived 06:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, first of all, Fox doesn't know how to deal with successful shows. Look what they did with Family Guy. They gave it a horrible time slot against Friends and Survivor, and then when ratings weren't what they wanted they canned it, even though over the next few years Adult Swim and DVD sales would prove it to have a near religous following. Then they bring the show back, but at a fraction of the quality of the original series because some of the writers were lost and the remaining staff knew that they had a hit show, which got to their head and stifled their creativity.

It's pretty much the same with Futurama, except Futurama isn't coming back. It would be on/off at 6pm CST, meaning it wasn't technically in prime time. One week it might be on, but the next week there would be a football game and you wouldn't be able to see it. Again, this caused ratings to slip and Fox assumed that the show wasn't very popular. Second, Futurama is expensive to produce because of all the special effects it needs.

It seems to me that if Fox knew what it was doing it would have let the Simpsons go gracefully years ago and kept Futurama and Family Guy, therefore avoiding many of the problems which we, the viewers, have with the network. Captain Jackson 03:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Billy West confirms new season in 26 episodes. http://www.billywest.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2011&PN=1 --AiR 19:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, you're right! However, you should wait for more confirmation on the event before putting this into the main article. --FlyingPenguins 20:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I am moving the newly imputed rumor of the show's revival from the starting section to the "Possible revival" section. leaving it in the second paragraph only adds false hope for people who visit this page and have their hope shattered on the next sentence. Plus it really belongs in the Possible revival section. Baboo
 * I put a quote by Billy West and the original quote has some format mistakes. It seems someone correct all the mistake made by West. Shouldn't a quote be exact with or without the mistakes? Baboo

The info needs to be updated too. It got updated with Billy West's latest "confirmation" this morning, but not yet with his latest withdrawal. Qutezuce 07:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Futurama (TV series) -> Futurama
I suggest this page be moved to Futurama, which is currently a redirect to the TV series anyway. The only other Futurama that currently has an article is Futurama (New York World's Fair), which is a much less common usage as far as I know. A disambig notice linking to the Fair exhibit is already at the top of the TV series article. --Poiuyt Man talk 21:09, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea to me. --Apyule 03:37, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. Jtkiefer  T - 02:19, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Help is requested dealing with any double redirects, I'm gonna try to work on them right now but I'm not sure if I can get them all. Jtkiefer T - 02:22, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Episode Guides
This doesn't really fit into anywhere, so I'll say this here. I think that it would be best if we just split each episode into a different article and make one page that displays a list of all the Futurama episodes, with a link to the each of the main episode guide, with a one or two-line summary and a thumbnail image on that page, similar to the Family Guy format. The current list/summary of each episode sorted by seasons seems to be very large in size. --FlyingPenguins 04:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Reference to Life in Hell
Since we're listing references between Futurama and Life in Hell, it may be worth noting that Groening's rabbit from Life in Hell show up in the peisode where Fry buys a pet.--68.40.173.159 03:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Need episode where Leela wipes Voyager 2 off her windshield
For the section Voyager 2 in fiction and popular culture. I remember that, but I have no clue what episode or season. Just edit the sentence there if you know. JamesHoadley 02:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thankyou User:Rmbyoung. JamesHoadley 17:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Separate DVD article
Anyone object to me creating a new article about the DVDs a la The Simpsons DVDs and King of the Hill DVDs? - Wezzo 20:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Will go ahead with this later today then. - Wezzo 08:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Articles For The Episodes?
Just a suggestion would creating an article for every episode would make the episode list look cleaner. It does with Family Guy and American Dad! Thanks Empty2005 04:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Bendar, Asimov, Prelude To Foundation
The first image of a robot seen by Hari Seldon is named "Bendar" and is mentioned in a video playing on a screen in the "Sacratorium" in "Mycogen" on "Trantor" in the book "Prelude To Foundation" by Isaac Asimov, founder of robotics(in the literary sense). I don't now if this bit of trivia is worthy of entry in the article or not, so I'm mentioning it here. Bendar lived on the planet of the origin of humanity and had a metal body. Drn8 04:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, only if you consider Aurora to be the original planet of the human species (which the Mycogenians certainly do). Anville 11:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Tivo Quote
The actual tagline is "Hey, Tivo! Suggest this!" as seen on the screen capture at [flickr]

Expense
I heard that one reason Futurama was cancelled was because episodes were expensive to create, because of science fiction animation such as flying through space. Is this mentioned anywhere in the article? Captain Jackson 02:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Red Dwarf similarities
The Wikipedia article currently contains a section devoted to comparisons with Red Dwarf. I'm not sure if the section is really worthy enough to stay there, so I won't add this link there, but I found the folloing article extremely interesting:

Futurama Echoes

Intriguing... --Nick RTalk 02:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Cancellation Delation
I delated the "Cancellation" section that was added and but before "Production" because the Production section said what the Cancellation section had. -Icweiner

Minimum Security Orphanarium
Just on a technical note I changed the place Leela was diposeted by her parents from an Orphanage to a minimum security orphanarium.

Zigbigadoorlue 05:29, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Animated clip in opening
Is there a list anywhere of all the animated films that are played on the giant TV screen in the opening before the Planet Express Ship crashes into it? Qutezuce 21:50, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

There is a partial list here: http://www.palmy.net.nz/futurama/opening/index.html Sadly the list have never been completed due to the shortness and/or obscurity of some of the clips, however Dave still enter new information whenever he identifies a new opening.

Passing references to dead crews under "Planet Express"
I'm pretty sure that it has been said in the DVD commentary on "The Sting" on Season 5 (or Season 4, depending on which sequencing you follow) that they wanted to do pretend to do away with a character, and linked it up with the Space Wasp. However since "wasps doesn't make honey", they have to turned it into Space Bees. Essentially, the crew that died on the Space Wasp trip is the same crew that flew the space ship found in the Space Bee hive. 24.84.126.117 09:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Template
I've recently created and added a Futurama template to most of the Futurama-related articles. If you have any questions or comments please contact me on my talk page. -- T B C ??? ???  ??? 03:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Petition links
There have been links to a petition to bring back Futurama inserted into the article today. But back when it became clear that Futurama was cancelled there was another petition with more than 150 000 signatures. This linked one has a bit over 10 000, and it doesn't sound new either. So the question is do we link it or not? Haakon 10:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I think itd be ok to link both. I changed the wording on the 10,000 one as it was making spurious assertions. Discordance 13:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * These petitions are rarely successful. They are not considered encyclopedic. Jtrost (T | C | #) 13:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I dont see the harm in mentioning it as a fan reaction stating however these are rarely successful and providing the links as sources, they certainly dont belong in EL though. Discordance 15:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I tried cleaning up the sentence some more, it seems perhaps a little misplaced being in possible revival now. Discordance 19:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

rv fancruft
It seems that lately a lot of reasonably relevant information is being deleted with no justification other than: "rv fancruft" This seems a little harsh and ill explained. What on earth does rv fancruft mean? Simondrake 00:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to reiterate my point on RV FANCRUFT. Having looked it up (On wikipedia, no less) I see there is a fine line between fancruft and trivia. And it seems there's some delete-happy editors out there who draw the line just before the subtitle 'Trivia', deleting everything after it whilest waving their beloved banner that reads: "rv fancruft". Now I've seen some trolling in my time, but this is beyond a joke. There's a trivia section on most wikipedia pages refering to works of fiction, so the fact that Futurama's trivia keeps getting deleted and swept under the proverbial carpet with no more explanation than one word and a crude abbreviation seems to me not only callous but almost vindictive. Simondrake 00:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The article is already 44 kilobytes. Very small pieces of information nobody cares about belongs on a fan site, not an encyclopedia.

Trivia: Nibbler has his own spaceship. Fancruft: Nibblers extra eye can be seen poking out of a bin in every replay of the scene where Fry falls into the cryogenic freezer.

-- infinity  0 

Actually, the bit about Nibbler's eye being in every scene of Fry falling into the cryotube is a very legitimate piece of trivia. It shows that they were actually being pretty careful about continuity, even before continuity is revealed, something that differentiates it from the Simpsons. -RannXXV 18:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Meh, if the "continuity" point is made and there is a paragraph on it, it can be used as evidence to back up the point. -- infinity  0  18:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought the DVD release of the first episode had nibblers shadow inserted and it wasnt originally present? Discordance 12:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it was there the whole time, they always planned to address it eventually. Deathregis 03:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

For this entry, I think it should only include the basics. It is an overview page. I think trivia and minor facts could be better included on the individual episode or character pages. --H2g2bob 15:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Religon
Are you sure that those religons described as merged to the Anglamated Church is the offical religon of Earth?

New "relationships" section
Sorry to further lengthen an already long article, but it seems to me that the article focused far too much on the "extended" Futurama universe rather than the relationships between the main characters which, after all, are at the center of the show. I added a brief section to address that. Redquark 19:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * FWIW, here's a couple of thoughts on your new section. First I think the basic idea of this section is right and adds to the article. However I disagree with the statement: "The nuclear family seems to have collapsed completely in the 31st century". Amy's family is recognizably a late model nuclear family; Amy herself has as near as possible a traditional relationship with Kif - at least as near as biology will allow; Leela's parents' relationship is not dysfunctional, even if their relationship with her is (though I'd argue that one too :-). So overall, I think your phrasing there is too strong. Gwernol 20:06, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Futurama Comics are they canon?
Just wanting to be sure, are the events portrayed in the comics considered to be canon? I am thinking that they should be, so would it be possible to add information from them into the main/sub articles? Nic tan33 04:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

On a related note, are the events from the game canon as well? Considering the ending I have doubts about that, unless it happens to be a 'What-If' scenario... Nic tan33 04:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

If you submit info from the comics, it should be relevent to the TV show, that is what the article is about. I would suggest you do a Futurama comic article with your info. -Doodlebomb

Global Warming
Although it IS stated that it was cancelled out by a nuclear winter, it is also stated that it was a fraud by the scientific community. Should the refferences to global warming be removed from the setting?

possiblely it's a bit confusing really....maybe there is different global warmings like the first one was a fraud, the second was knocked out by nuclear winter and the thrid with the whole giant ice cube thing. well just some ideas...Slayerx675 16:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Gender and sexual norms
Nothing specifically against it but does this section actually say something? I think it´s depicted pretty same as it´s in the present.
 * I tend to agree. Most of the things mentioned in the section are from a single episode and not a long running thing. They were probably just put in the show because either the producers thought it would be funny, or they wanted to spoof some movie or had some plot idea that needed it. There doesn't appear to be any theme to the section, just a random mention of various related happenings from the show. Is there any reason that Futurama's depiction of gender and sexual norms is notable?Qutezuce 10:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It's notable in that the theme appears rather often for what is ostensibly a sci-fi comedy. Compare to e.g. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where it rarely arises. Redquark 03:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Unnecessary "Linguistics" part
Futurama does not "makes several bold predictions about the future of linguistics". It's a freaking cartoon comedy show. I do however think that the alien alphabet stuff bears some relevance, so I suggest that part 3 (the linguistics part) be removed and replaced by one containing only info regarding the alien alphabet, or something like that. This is also part of a bigger (psudo)problem or issue here on Wikipedia, and that is that articles about some kind of TV-show, or comic book, or humorous website, or something other that may have some degree of fandom around it, tends to be less relevant in its' content and is written with a slightly ironic or consciously naïve language than other more serious articles. This might just be me imagining apocryphal things though. Well enyway, erase and replace. --Blackfield 23:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the "bold predictions" phrasing is a little tongue-in-cheek, but the sentence is not false or misleading so there's no reason why it should be changed. There's no style guideline saying that Wikipedia prose must be boring!  And I don't see why anything should be cut --- the section is very short anyway. Redquark 03:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

futrama acapella themesong?
On a recent rerun that I saw on Adult Swim, the theme song was acapella. I want to know where I can get it. Does anybody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.189.245 (talk • contribs)

This is a special opening theme appearing in the Spanish Fry episode, available on the season four DVD set. Haakon 22:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Leela/Leeloo
leela's name is a little simmilar to The Fifth Element's character leeloo, don't you think?:)

who knows maybe a bit, but leeloo doesn't have one eye and purple hair and followed around by a guy named fry

Confusion of Futurama theme song to Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
I'm removing this part of the article because it's false in every aspect. If you want further proof read on. The song 'Smells like Teen Spirit' by nirvana uses the chord structure

F Bb G# C#

When futurama's chord structure (The part that the article is referring to) goes

E A D A

They aren't even in the same key much the less using the same notes, furthermore I think that 'it has been reported' does not qualify is a valid citation.

Heres a copy of the article for reference "Some people find the theme song for the TV show Futurama to be very reminiscent of the hit 1991 Nirvana track Smells Like Teen Spirit. Apparently, the notes are the same, but, the order is different. It has been reported that when a band plays a cover version of the Nirvana track at a venue, some people listening think they are indeed playing the Futurama theme, until the band play more of the song, then the people realise that the two songs are different." PrettyMuchBryce 20:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Question
Why do you have so much info on Futurama but so little on shows which are actually good like King of the Hill? Wetquinn 23:35, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * There are more Futurama fans than King of the Hill fans writing for Wikipedia. If you like KotH, feel free to add to that article to redress the balance. Redquark 01:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

List Of Happening In The Futurama Timeline
Like for example "petrollemo reserver ran out in 2048" i know the quote is a bit off, but a timeline 2048- Resrvers of Petrolelem run out 2050-global warming is cancelled out by nulcear winter(i don't think one is write but it's just a example.Slayerx675 16:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting something like this should exist? Because it does. See Timeline of Futurama Stardust8212 17:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Lol - when I first read this I saw it as Timeline of Futurama Stardust which is a delightful concept. --Neo 23:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible Revival
One of the adult swim interludes during Futurama has been stating that there will be 4 direct to DVD movies but Cartoon Network won't get broadcast rights. Jon 20:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Content saying as much was recently removed from the article, probably because it can't be verified anywhere (if the Adult Swim website says it, though, it would count). EVula 20:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Another FA run
Hello editors :-) I've been eyeing this article recently, and I think it can be a FA with just a little more work.  I was gonna put it up for another Peer Review (since it hasn't been done in a year), but wanted to see what you all thought first.  Are there any objections for another PR? -- light  darkness (talk) 15:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. Another peer review is a great idea. Futurama is my favorite television show ever. Not just do I want to see it become an FA, but I want to go to WP one day and say, "Yes! Today's featured article is Futurama!" -- Kicking222 02:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I concur, though it would be great if the article becomes a FA on the same day Futurama returns back to TV. Either that or when the Futurama movies come out, hopefully not too long now... Nic tan33 09:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Before a PR how about we fix some very obvious things so the PR focuses on the nit picky things that separate FA articles from non FA articles? Two big things I noticed is the page size (52kb), and only seven sources are referenced, but of those seven only two are properly referenced.  See Lost (TV series) as an example.  It contains 36 properly cited sources.  If this article is going to have a chance at FA it's got to look a lot more like the Lost article in terms of references. As for the page size, we can cut a lot of content out of here that really isn't encyclopedic.  The Galactic politics sections is massive.  I'm sure it could easily be cut in half and still get the same message across.  Futurama, References and Referenced is a non notable section altogether.  At most a small paragraph under the cancellation section can be added.  The list of Syndicated broadcasts can also go.  It's basically a long section that says nothing.  The Possible revival section doesn't need to include a time line of every little detail about a revival going back more than a year.  Simply summarize the most relevant points. Finally, many of the links in the external link section do not meet Wikipedia's external link policy.  So my suggestion is first we remove a bunch of content that isn't needed and cut down on other, lengthy content.  From there we mark the remaining content that are original claims with  tags and try to get a large following of people to find sources. Jtrost (T | C | #) 11:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with all the points made by Jtrost. In addition, it would be worth thoroughly copy-editing the article before Peer Review. For example, the opening paragraphs need some serious work:
 * "David X. Cohen (also a writer for The Simpsons)." delete the "also" since Groening is not listed as a writer for The Simpsons (I know he is, but that's not what the article says)
 * "The series is set in New New York City in the 31st century. " delete this entire sentence, since much of the series is not even on Earth and its repeated in the second paragraph.
 * Fix the redlink to The Curiosity Company
 * The last sentence of the opening paragraph is clumsily worded
 * The second paragraph is basically a synopsis of the first episode. It doesn't describe the series as a whole. Consider deleting or replacing with a more general overview of the series.
 * The third paragraph is POV and unsourced.
 * I think we're a fairly long way from FA status right now. I'll try and make some positive changes to help the article along the way - I'd love to see Futurama get to FA status. Gw e rnol 11:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I have put in a nomination in the Article Improvement Drive, go vote for it if you're interested :) It's at the bottom of the list right now. --Lorian 19:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Translation of the Russian article which received featured status, for ideas of what to include. --Lorian 20:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for putting thise article on AID, Lorian. That is the perfect way to clean it up.  Let's hope it gets enough votes. Jtrost (T | C | #) 20:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Woah! A flurry of activity, glad there are other editors interested in fix'in up the article :-)!! -- light  darkness (talk) 06:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems like there is a lot of unneccessary information; way too many broad descriptions wind up citing specific jokes; even if it's not a copyright violation, it's not important information. An example, off the top of my head, is most of the section about 'Star Trek', which basically is just quoting "Where No Fan Has Gone Before" wholesale.
 * Other examples, just from browsing back through it:
 * Do we need to know the three times robots were referred to as property for jokes? In general, I find there are many examples of "This is what the show says as a rule, but here is a list of every time they broke that rule" ... seems extremely unneccessary when dealing with a show which "is not above committing continuity errors if they serve to further the gags".
 * It seems confusing and contradictory to cite one joke from one episode to show that French is a dead language, but then explain that there are several other jokes which contradict this. Doesn't that mean it's not canon?
 * Multiple explanations that "Christmas" is now "Xmas" (something which the show contradicts sometimes, which is thankfully left unmentioned)
 * The discussion of Nixon's election seems unneccessarily detailed.
 * "Earth's moon is still mostly unsettled with the exception of some farms, but houses an amusement park (heavily parodying Disney theme parks even to the motto: "The Happiest Place Orbiting Earth"), and is the sole tourist attraction. Citizens of the 31st century have lost all knowledge of the lunar landing, mistaking Ralph Kramden of The Honeymooners for a typical 20th century astronaut due to his common phrase, "One of these days, Alice. Bang! Zoom! Straight to the moon!" " The first sentence is horribly written, and both sentences contain jokes from the show rather than information.  I won't pick apart individual grammar in the various sections, other than to say that one of the problems with all the parentheses all throughout it is that people get confused as to tenses and sentences, and things wind up poorly written.
 * minor point: we should pick either "intergalactic" or "interplanetary" within the Doop section and be consistent.
 * "from the head of Richard Nixon, the ruling President of Earth." I don't think it's neccessary to explain this every time Nixon is mentioned; one explanation that Nixon's head on a robot body is the president and, after that, just say "President Nixon".
 * The religious discussion has a lot of unneccessary info, including "(Dr. Zoidberg being among the few exceptions)", "destroying many video tapes," "[Robot Jews] believe that Robot Jesus was built and that he was a very well programmed robot, but he was not their messiah," (that just a joke copied from the show), and the large paragraph about 'Star Trek' does not fit chronologically, is riddled with over-information, and seems even more unneccessary when there's an actual page for "Star Trek references in Futurama".
 * Discussing "cross-dressing" in direct relation to homosexuality implies a false connection between the two (even when preceded by "Though not gay"); this should be its own paragraph under "Gender and sexual norms", not lumped in between descriptions of which characters are gay. (If that's even neccessary at all.)
 * The celebrity guest list could probably be complete. John Goodman only played Robot Santa the first time he appeared, did not come back the second time.  And do we have a citation on "James Doohan refused to do it"?  My understanding was that he was too sick to do it.
 * Finally, why are there two different lists of recurring characters? Characters plus characters who are robots?
 * I was browsing through it last night and was really tempted to just edit a whole bunch of it, but then I saw the discussion page, so I wanted to bring up some of my problems before I dove in to fixing them. I love the show, and I think we can acheive a balance where the page can cite some jokes and be amusing, but it should not be overloaded with references which make jokes sound as if they were intended as facts.  The webpage should not be a substitute for watching the show ... it should just make you want to.
 * ThatGuamGuy 16:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)sean (TGG)


 * One more... couldn't:
 * The ship is equipped with an autopilot(seen and heard in Bendless Love, mentioned in How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back), a huge cargo winch (first used in "Episode Two: The Series Has Landed "), a shipboard artificial intelligence (featured in the episode "Love and Rocket"), and is powered by Dark Matter engines (first seen in "Love's Labours Lost in Space"). In addition, the ship is armed with a single turret-mounted laser cannon first utilized in "When Aliens Attack", and two torpedo launchers first utilized in "Roswell That Ends Well" and also used in later episodes.
 * be better expressed without all the individual citations? I can't imagine that people even want thate detailed a description of the ship that early in the article, but if we're keeping it, why not:
 * The ship is powered by Dark Matter engines and is armed with a single turret-mounted laser cannon and two torpedo launchers. When required by [the plot of?] an individual episode, the ship has been equipped with an autopilot, a huge cargo winch, and an artificial intelligence.
 * If the only way the information is allowed to stay in is with all those citations, I vote to remove the information (which seems superfluous to understanding the show). But if it's in there, it shouldn't be a chore to get through.
 * Since I'm posting anyway, the first paragraph of the introduction is perfect; why are the other two in the introduction? And the characters list is too long by half; they each have their own page.  I actually don't agree with people that "Bender Bending Rodriguez" is wrong, but I think maybe just apply a template where you say (for instance)
 * Bender (full name: Bender Bending Rodriguez) (voiced by John Dimaggio) - Bender is Fry's robotic roommate. He drinks alcohol constantly as fuel, and frequently engages in brazen criminal activity.  Originally designed to bend steel girders, he is currently employeed by Planet Express.
 * Something like that; you don't need to know that he was built in Mexico or that he was named after 'The Breakfast Club'...


 * 24.193.227.46 02:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)sean (TGG)

Resurrection of Futurama
That section needs serious editing. It sounds like it was copied and pasted off of another source. I'll do my best for now, but if someone else wants to chip in, that'd be great.


 * Please be aware that apparently the reporting of 13 new episodes is incorrect. Gotfuturama.com have said that the four DVD movies will each be split into four episodes each, to be aired on Comedy Central. This will in fact make it a total of 16. Does anyone object to the changing of this? - Timichio 19:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't we just say that new episodes have been ordered without giving a number until one is definatively announced? TheHYPO 20:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not against that at all. For the time being, that sounds like the best idea. Better than people being mislead. Timichio 21:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What happened to Comedy Central? i thought that they had paid good money for the rights to air re-runs and the 13 new episodes. when did this get changed to the CW? aren't they like a third rate network, barely worth mentioning?68.255.228.81 16:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah i just checked, and this is some pretty extensive vandalism, as someone changed all instances of Comedy Central to The CW. Apparently they thought that they were being funny. If you look @ the refrences section, there's an article with a title similar to "Futurama gets new life on The CW" however if you visit the article, the headline of it clearly states Comedy Central, and not the remnants of The WB network. This page should be locked from editing due to vandalism.68.255.228.81 16:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I reverted the article, to it's non-vandalised state. the articleshould still be locked.68.255.228.81 16:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I can answer that question. Those comments were made by a long term vandal I'm currently dealing with. Just ignore it. -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 14:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi-def
Since the new episodes won't appear until the distant future (2008), might anyone be able to confirm or deny a high-definition release? - Eyeresist 03:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Officially cancelled or not?
If it was officially cancelled, then what is to stop them from making more episodes after as well? Nothing, they did it with Family Guy. Not ordering any more episodes may not be "officially cancelled", but it is "effectively cancelled", and putting that it is not officially cancelled in the lead gives a false impression. Qutezuce 21:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Futurama was not owned by Fox. The Curiosity Company was making the show for Fox. Fox didn't want the show anymore. The Curisoty Company stopped making the shows.
 * Fox did not cancel the show, putting that would be false. --Lorian 21:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So then putting "Fox never officially cancelled Futurama" is misleading as well, since Fox does not have the power to cancel the show. Qutezuce 22:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, so replace "Fox" with "Futurama was" and " Futurama" with "". --Lorian 22:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm still not happy with the wording as it makes it sound like Futurama is still in some sort of limbo state, when in reality Fox not buying new episodes (and no other buyer found) effectively killed the show. Qutezuce 22:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * How about "Though never officially cancelled, Fox's decision to not purchase additional episodes effectively killed the show" or something similar? EVula 23:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. --Lorian 07:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, that makes it sound like it could still be around... I think the current wording is fine. --Lorian 07:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I did some digging to find out the details of what "cancellation" means in the TV world. I came across this Variety article about Arrested Development, another show that Fox runs, which is produced by Imagine Television and 20th Century Fox (20th Century Fox is the studio that makes tv shows/film, Fox or Fox Broadcasting is the network that airs shows). This is similar to Futurama, which is made the The Curiousity Company and 20th Century Fox (remember the 30th Century Fox logo at the end of the episodes?). Midway in the article is the following paragraph:
 * Since Fox has yet to officially cop to canceling "Arrested," 20th can't formally make any deals with another net.
 * From that I would conclude that "cancelling" is an action that Fox Broadcasting can take, after which the production company can try to get another network to buy more episodes of the show. Another example is the show JAG, from the article:
 * JAG was first aired on NBC in 1995, but later canceled in 1996 after finishing 77th in the ratings. With a network change, rival network CBS picked up the series and aired it for nine additional seasons until April 2005.
 * Again, one network cancelled a show, and another network picked it up from the production company. So it would seem that "cancellation" is an action that a network can take that doesn't necessarily "cancel" the show, just cancels it from their network. Qutezuce 07:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So, pretty much what I put then... Fox stopped buying the show, so the production team broke apart. --Lorian 07:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * How is Fox stopping buying of the show different from them cancelling it then? Qutezuce 08:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * To quote what I have already said, "Futurama was not owned by Fox." --Lorian 08:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * A few replies back I showed that "cancelling" is an action that the network takes, even if they do not own the show. Qutezuce 20:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

"Just got the word seconds ago. FUTURAMA is not officially cancelled, though it is on a sort of hiatus. Turns out Fox, which hates the show as they do not own it and Groening does, has been giving it a sort of secondary status for the late few years, i.e., running it when they feel like it, dropping it when they don't." 

"FOX has decided not to pick up the animated series "Futurama," although the network stresses that the show is not cancelled."

"FOX's decision not to pick up additional episodes, led the production company Rough Draft to fire its animators" |73838|1|,00.html Lorian 10:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Excellent, so that shows that Fox didn't officially cancel it when they decided not to buy new episodes, but did they officially cancel it in the time since then? Qutezuce 16:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * AFAIK, that was the last we heard from Fox about it, so no. Futurama/New article &mdash; Little write up about it. Fox let the show go out of production, but as the show was owned by Groening, they couldn't cancel it. So basically, the production team fell apart and the animators were fired. --LorianTC 17:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Re-read the part where I say that "cancellation" is an action that the network can take regardless of the ownership of the show. Cancellation does not even mean that the show will die, the example of JAG above shows that one network cancelled a show and another network picked it up. At the time that Fox declined to buy more episodes they still had basically an entire season left to show, that might have had an effect on their decision to say that they weren't cancelling the show, as they would not want to say that they were cancelling a show that they still needed to show on their network (and their advertisers were paying to advertise on). There are numerous articles that state that Futurama has been cancelled, for example this article in Variety, so either all these articles got it wrong, or simply are refering to the show in its de facto cancellation. If Fox later cancelled Futurama officially (after they finished showing the remaining episodes) it may have gotten little press as by that time everybody assumed it was already cancelled. Without some hard evidence we are relying on your statement "AFAIK, that was the last we heard from Fox", which is a bit like saying "I haven't heard anything to the contrary, so this must be true." Qutezuce 07:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Lets just get rid of the bit about it wasn't officially cancelled. Fox stopped buying the shows, so Rough Draft fired its animators. I'm getting bored of this discussion. --LorianTC 09:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good solution. I just want to make sure that statements we make in the lead section of a (potentially) featured article can be backed up fully. Qutezuce 08:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Women not allowed in armed forces
Some days ago I noticed in this section that the part that says "women are not allowed in the earth's armed forces" is incorrect, as they are only disallowed when Zapp Brannigan is in charge. It is an easy line to miss, but I thought I would add this point. It is no longer there, someone took it away even though it was fixing a mistake. A mistake which is still there!! I don't know that much about Wikipedia so I don't know what to do in this situation, so I have posted it here... --139.168.134.142 14:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just put it back again and put after it &lt;!-- Do not remove, see Women not allowed in armed forces in talk page --&gt; or something along those lines. --LorianTC 14:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --139.168.134.142 14:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The psychology behind Futurama
Wouldn't it be beneficial to explain in a section what the characters do and why? Let me explain; Bender represents our ego; always seeks what is best for him, not caring (most of the time) about the other's ideas or feelings; Leela reprents the mother figure, caring, sensible; the way the episodes are set, ie. the way at the begining of each episode there is a problem set to be resolved, almost always some kind of moral dilemna, which the characters (reprensenting certain ideas and values) go about resolving in their different ways, or colaborating to resolve the problem -- thus helping the audience solve the dilemna themselves.--DragonFly31 12:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Might be good info, but I believe that falls under WP:OR. -- Ned Scott 08:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think this kind of section would be appropriate. This is an encyclopedia, not a high school English essay. Jtrost (T | C | #) 12:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I would have thought what I said above was instrumental to the reason it is pleasing to watch futurama; I would have also thought that it not fall under WP:OR as it is pretty evident, as well as important, information regarding the show. If this stuff above is true, it is because the whole show based its concept around it. --DragonFly31 15:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I'm fairly certain the concept the show was based around was humor, mostly satirical. Psychological motivations are a difficult subject with fictional characters. Either way, in writing encyclopedic articles, one has to remember to avoid speculation. Touching on this subject is very clearly WP:OR unless you can find a source that is credible, which in this case would probably need to be explicit information from the show itself (Nothing implied or speculative) or confirmed support directly from someone high up in the production staff. It's a nice thought, but it just doesn't seem workable. Thanks anyway -- Digital Watches 19:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Resurrection of Futurama
That section needs serious editing. It sounds like it was copied and pasted off of another source. I'll do my best for now, but if someone else wants to chip in, that'd be great. Xubelox 00:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact it is copied directly from the link at the start of the section. Qutezuce 06:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just rewrote it and added two sources. It's a little bare now, but more can be added later. --SevereTireDamage 08:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Can anyone verify this with any kind of citation ?
 * "According to Attack of the Show! on G4, David X. Cohen and Matt Groening will produce 30 new episodes." Ranieldule 18:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Reasons for not promoting to Good Article
Hi all,

I am not promoting this article because I feel it does not satisfy the good article criteria. The article is very long &mdash; something that would not be a problem if it was comprehensive. Unfortunately it seems to spend more time recounting aspects of the Futurama universe than focusing on the humour of Futurama and Futurama as a television series. More needs to be said about the devices used in story-telling, the stand-out moments/episodes of the series, the writers of the series and the scientific humour it employs (see here and here). The article has a tendency to spend an inordinate amount of times on relatively minor points. I really feel this article could be improved if many of the details where left out. The focus should instead be on giving the reader an idea of Futurama the television series, not Futurama the fictional universe (that would be more appropriate for an article titled Futurama (fictional universe)).

Cedars 06:01, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I largely agree. This article focuses far too much on the universe of the show, while it is an interesting topic and should go into a separate article, it's way, way too much information for someone who comes to this page and wants to get basic information about the show's universe (as opposed to focusing on information on making of the show itself). Right now it does feel somewhat crufty, obsessing over culture and politics of the Futurama world and referencing episodes of the show for such. I mean, is the entire Galactic Politics section really necessary? Or even Timeline to Revival? The thorough detail about the Ship? I think many of these concerns are being addressed in the Futurama/New article, though. --SevereTireDamage 01:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Relationships
While relationships between characters are integral to the show, I think characterizing the relationship between Kif and Brannigan as a male-bonding friendship is incorrect. While Kif is sometimes influenced by Brannigan, his barely-suppressed loathing for Zap and his general ineptitude and Brannigan’s smug condescension towards his inferiors negate any notion of true friendly regard between the two. - 2 July 2006 20:44(UTC)


 * I agree. I'm removing it unless anyone disagrees. --Foot Dragoon 00:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Animated GIF
Do we really need that animated GIF? It slows down the loading a bit. --PJ Pete

2008
I feel it is not needed to have information in this article based on speculation. Please add what may happen, but try to say it in a way that does not seem like it has already happened. There have not been 85 episodes yet and I believe we should keep it at 72 until they actually produce them. -- Will Mak  050389  05:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Futurama and Simpsons
Bart Simpson's shorts from a Macy's day parade baloon are used as part of the baloon to leave the sewer in the episode where Leela finds her parents.

in giant trashball episode, on the trashball, crew encounters pile of trash including Bart Simpson dolls, when doll string is pulled by Bender, Bart Simpson doll says "Eat my shorts" Bender replies "OK" and removes and consumes shorts from Bart Simpson doll.


 * in the 'Mars U' episode with Robot House! Fry has a flashback to Coney Island U. in the background is a carnival game gallery, with Homer and Bart dolls hanging as prizes... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.177.158.90 (talk • contribs)

Linguistics
While "ax" is now common pronunciation for "ask", it should be noted that "liberry" is not the common pronuncian for "library"--it is simply how Fry says it because he is stupid.


 * Actually he calls it "library" in an episode with the Brainspawn as well. According to the commentary, it was just a reference to another comedian saying something along the lines of "You know someone is a jerk when they say 'liberry'" Wafulz 19:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

New version
I looked at the main article, then I found the new version. It beats the quality of the actual article hands down in my opinion. Is anyone for just importing swaths of the new article version into the main? It will cut down the fancruft of the plot. Note: I do love this show, but I feel that someone who isn't a fan of it won't like the deep dive into the plot that the article has which this new article version seems to fix. Kevin_b_er 21:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, this article is absolutley packed with fancruft. --LorianTC 21:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, we can slowly phase it in. Make sure that in your edit summary you put something about importing the rewritten article per talk and AID so people don't think you're blanking the content. Jtrost (T | C | #) 11:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I imported it, the background section needs finishing, but it's better now. No more fancruft! --LorianTC 12:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The more reputable references from the old version of the article (Variety, Reuters) are now gone. Also, Wikipedia cannot be used as a self-reference. Maybe the excessive detail from the old article should have been split off into a Futurama universe article. I think you may have been too hasty in the page move, as this article really isn't ready for prime-time either. --SevereTireDamage 21:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The extra information was unnecessary fancruft which shouldn't be on Wikipedia at all. --LorianTC 22:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'mna go as far as to actually move the text/coding of the new article onto the old one. Hope that's okay, revert it if it's not. Digital Watches 22:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, did you actually do anything? --LorianTC 22:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. Er. It seems I didn't. I guess someone beat me to the punch. Sorry about that. --Digital Watches 22:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The article looks worse to me. The "fancruft" was what made the article a good article. It explained the world of Futurama and the series well in a nice way. Look at the Star Trek series articles. They have some "fancruft", but look good and I understand them without seeing some of those series. We need to put some of the "fancruft" back into the article. The article looks really blank and like it was rushed to be put in.--Icweiner 02:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles shouldn't have any fancruft. -- light darkness (talk) 02:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. With respect, one man's (woman's) "fancruft" is the detail in a work that to somebody else is exactly what makes the work unique, interesting, and alive. It's the same issue as explaining Star Trek or Sherlock Holmes or (for that matter) Finnegan's Wake. Or the stats of a ball team. If the writers thought a reference was interesting enough to put IN (yes, there is Turangalila Symphony...) one may argue that it's notable enough for a really good encylopedia article to make it accessable, to those who missed it the first time. "Fancruft" is sort of a derogatory term, like complaining about too much screaching at an opera. :)  S  B Harris 03:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But fancruft only applies to a small majority, while we're writing for the vast majority. Have a look at Fancruft, It'll explain a lot of where I'm coming from. -- light  darkness 
 * We're not writing for the vast majority. We're writing for the small minority who happens to be interested in the narrow subject of the Wiki, like people who care about, oh...Wyatt Earp, or Buddy Holly. Most people don't. Look at the Wiki on Dirac equation. Does it look like something the majority of people are going to ever read? The subject of relativistic quantum mechanics is of tremendous interest to those people who are interested in it, but not to those who those who aren't. In fact, it's pretty much closed to them and will always be. Our job here on Wikipedia is to help the student, but the nature of education is that it's just about useless except in cases where it's nearly superfluous. The student needs to bring huge enthusiasm, time, and some background. Otherwise, as in all subjects, collision of student and subject leads to waste of time. This is not always the fault of the subject. Wikipedia is FILLED with things I personally don't give a damn about. But it would be egotistical of me to go trimming at them. I leave them to the people who care. I work on expanding the things I do know and care about. S  B Harris 17:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have a crazy idea (that nobody will ever agree with) about having a "two-tiered" Wikipedia. I have observed that a lot of what I use Wikipedia for (e.g. finding out the common perceptions of certain sports figures regardless of truth, reading interesting fancruft, etc.) are not really encyclopedia-like uses.  So while I understand the goal of Wikipedia is to be an encyclopedia, to me a lot of its value comes from the NON-encyclopedia-ish stuff.  It works for me as a central repository of common knowledge, a sort of Universal Wiki, if you will.  With that in mind, I think it would be neat to have two tiers, where the first tier is really encyclopedia-like, and the second tier is just whatever.  Search results would separate the two so you know what you are getting.  In this case, the "fancruft" version of the Futurama article is a terrific second-tier article -- not really encyclopedia material, but packed with useful information.  And yeah, I did read What Wikipedia Is Not.  I don't care, this is what I wish it was  ;p  --14:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

(talk) 03:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Bear in mind that what makes cruft is completely subjective. Note that I agreed with the Good Article failing because the old article was definitely excessive. BUT, the Fancruft document above is NOT policy, it's just an essay - it's exactly as official as the Pokemon test. That said there's plenty of precedent (see Springfield (The Simpsons) for one notable example, but many video games, TV shows, movies, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. have universe sub-articles) on Wikipedia that sub-articles can expand on what many would consider cruft, it's part of the width and breadth of this encyclopedia. But my problem here wasn't with keeping the so-called cruft (like I said, I supported moving most of it off the main article altogether into a single other article), it was replacing it with a page, in its current state, was in many ways worse than the crufty one. New sections are nice, but now we're lacking a lot of basic information that was in the old one and needed sourcing. --SevereTireDamage 16:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * There are some incorrect statements in the article, such as there being a fifth production season being made when Fox "cancelled" the show. The show's funding was stopped by Fox and there was no 5th season in production. Devil's Hands was made after Fox put the show on hiatus. It was made to be closure to the series and openness for future seasons. There is other things in the article that need to be corrected, and why does backround talk about just the hiatus? Shouldn't it talk about series backround?--Icweiner 02:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

One page
How about we merge the two Futurama pages together?--Salvax 21:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * We already did, see discussion above. -- light darkness (talk) 21:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But there are still two different pages. How about one Futurama page?--Salvax 22:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you mean changing Futurama/New article to a Redirect to the main page? Sure, you can do that. There's not that much point, though, since the only pages that actually link to that page are this very talk page, User talk pages, and WP:FUTU. --SevereTireDamage 22:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Take it to WP:MFD. It will be deleted. Viridae Talk 23:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No. I mean to have only one page for Futurama incorporating both pages into one.  Not a redirect.--Salvax 00:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

If the merge has been completed please list Futurama/New article on WP:MFD where it will be deleted. There is absoloutely no need for a redirect, if one is created it will just be deleted anway.Viridae Talk 00:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No need for a MFD, just say the word and I'll delete it. -- light darkness (talk) 00:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well that makes it easier. If you are happy that the merge is completed, go ahead. Viridae Talk 01:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * All set, if for some reason someone wants the text, let me know and I'll restore it. All of the text is now in the current article though, so we're all set. -- light  darkness (talk) 01:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Character Names?
Can I suggest a looking-atting of the character section? I don't think the 'A.K.A.' listings are right. They aren't also known as... I know the creator was intending to show how they are usually referred to (Phillip J. Fry as simply "Fry", but that's not an AKA... that's just "Usually referred to as". Frankly, since every character is refferred to by one portion of their name, I don't think they are necessary at all. If one wanted to, they could make note at the beginning of the section of how Leela, Fry and Zoidberg are usually referred to by their surnames as opposed to other characters, but if Hermes and Amy don't need AKA, Bender (Bender being his first name (shouldn't need it either. "Professor" being his title and job, "The Professor" isn't needed as an AKA, as that's what you naturally call someone in that position. Leela, Fry and Zoidberg are the only characters whose normal reference doesn't fall under standard practice, but either way, they are still called by part of their name, which I think is sufficiently clear (and I'm sure, expanded in their own articles) that the AKA's aren't needed in this one. Thoughts? TheHYPO 23:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Random sidenote, Leela doesn't go by her surname in the traditional sense. It's more like Asian or Bajoran names, where the family name comes first (yes, I'm a nerd). This is evidenced by the fact that she sends a letter to her parents, addressed to "Turanga Morris and Munda". Random sidenote. &mdash;Buddy13 03:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Season Synopses?
Seeing as how Futurama episodes are almost entirely self-contained, and there is no specific season-long plot bases, Is there a point in splitting the plot synopsis into 4 seasons? It just seems to take up extra space for no real reason. One could watch the series from start to finish and have no idea where the seasons end and begin, unlike a show like, say 24, Lost, or something like that. I'd argue for merging the synopses into one general one. Also, the article has no spoiler tags. I'd say this section (particularly if merged together) would merit one, if not other sections of the article. TheHYPO 23:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it reads better as-is. I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative or a smartass, but is there a point in merging the synopses?  You're right that the episodes for the most part are self contained, but I don't think the split is making the article excessively long.--CPitt76 00:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say the whole section is pointless. Why use pointless information? It's not a matter of taking up space or the article being too long, it's just erroneous. -- Digital Watches 00:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I concur. All the synopses do is basically list various plots of episodes from those seasons. The information is already divided into episode articles. It's unnecessary (and unnecessarily spoilering) to have it in this article. I renew my call to dump the section entirely, or simply rewrite it into a very short premise synopsis of the series, which already exists if you read the character's sections, so I think it just isn't necessary. It's stuff like that that keeps an article like this off the feature or good article lists. TheHYPO 01:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Removing it makes a lot more sense than condensing it. Let's go with that. CPitt76 18:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree completely with the removal of the entire section. Although it is true that most of the episodes are self-containted, there are some very clear and important continuations. Namely Fry's entire purpose, his relationship with Leela, and the various character's progression and growth over the course of the show. I do however, feel it is completely unnecessary to mention any individual episodes in this section. Diewelt 23:43, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by "fry's entire purpose". There at most two episodes dealing with the issue of Fry's being the saviour of the universe... which is exclusively isolated to those episode and is rarely if ever brought up in other episodes. His relationship with Leela is 100% continuitous. I agree completely. But this is Futurama. Fry has his own article. The fact that he likes Leela is worth mentioning in his character section. Expansion (particularly since it is potentially spoilerish) is, in my personal opinion of course, best left to his article. People who just want to learn about the show in general are not significantly benefitted by a detailed chronology of Fry/Leela relationship. This is my own opinion, and I'm perfectly willing to bow to majority opinion on it, but I think that This is the kind of show that if I tuned in to episode 36, I wouldn't need to know anything in that section to follow the plot perfectly.


 * This might be contrasting to, say, Frasier where the history of Niles and Daphne's relationship is often referenced and the Niles/Daphne relationship is a major plot point in a significant number of episodes. All you really need to know to understand a fry-leela plot is that he likes her but she doesn't like him back. They rarely refer to past the history in plots, and there are very few episodes that are actually Fry/Leela as opposed to having a brief mention of the Fry-Leela relationship. As I said, It's definately worth a mention in their character sections, but the history of the relationship is it is not necessary and basically just adds spoiler info that isn't fundamental to understanding the show.


 * Finally, I'm not sure about character growth. Again, I feel the character's own articles are there for this reason. Futurama, IMO, should not be a summary of all info about the show available, but should rather be a page that someone who hears the name "Futurama" or sees one episode and wants to learn about the show can goto and get basic info about the show, it's history, it's basic story elements, and other vital info. If the people want to know how Zoidberg has grown - he's got his own page and I don't think it is crucial info. I semi-moderate the page The Simpsons and trust me, the page can get extremely bloated if every element of the series is explored (simpsons has entire sections just on the writing process, comedy style, etc, but even The Simpsons main article doesn't have anything other than occasional continuity mentions in the character sections. TheHYPO 07:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Language Evolution
Theres no mention of how the language has changed from todays normal. The most obvious example is the use of the word "axe" in place of "ask". Which If I remember correctly is used throughout almost the whole series.--Azslande 06:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There doesn't seem to be enough material to warrant a section on language. The one you provided is the only example I can think of, except for random things like Uranus now being called Urectum and Christmas now being called Xmas.  Maybe this is better for the Trivia section.--CPitt76 23:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Simpsons connection
I just noticed in the Treehouse episode Treehouse of Horror VII where Lisa creates the universe in a tub, and it grows to a futuristic state, "tubes" like futurama's can be seen in the tub. I thought it was an interesting connection between the two shows. The episode aired in 1996. TheHYPO 04:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If you want a connection, why not the Bart Simpson doll on the giant ball of 20th century garbage, or remains of a Bart parade balloon being used by the sewer mutants? --66.36.135.192 02:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Because those are connections made to the existing Simpsons by the existing Futurama. The Treehouse reference was made years before Futurama existed, and thus wasn't a Futurama reference. I thought it was an interesting consistant element between the vision of future technology between the two shows which shared members of the creative team. TheHYPO 22:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination
This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of August 11, 2006, compares against the six good article criteria:


 * 1. Well written?: This is the biggest failure area. When encyclopedia's deal with fictional topics, they must be written in an Out-of-universe perspective.  This is fictional and that should be reflected in the way the article is written.  Phrases that are inappropriate include: "Many problems that exist in the world today are still present," "Earth has a unified government called the United States of Earth," "Over the last 1,000 years, there have been some advances with the linguistics of the Futurama world." Also, the awards section needs to reformatted.  The two columns that don't match in legnth doesn't look polished.
 * 2. Factually accurate?: Fair. Needs expansion, and no doubt with that expansion will need more references.
 * 3. Broad in coverage?: There is nothing under Season 5. I don't know if that got blanked or not, but it needs to be corrected.  More should be included also about the writers and creators of the show.  Currently, there is a brief mention in the lead section, but I think there could be more about how the show was hatched, what voice actors are involved, animation, etc...  I think the request for expansion on the background section is pretty accurate.  Though Futurama doesn't have the age or pedigree of this show, see The Simpsons for an excellent example on what I'm talking about.  Not necessarily that comprehensive, but at least touching on all the topics covered there.
 * 4. Neutral point of view?: So far so good.
 * 5. Article stability? Also fair. A couple fannish battles and vandal skirmishes lately. But it doesn't seem to be a chronic problem.
 * 6. Images?: The image Image:Futurama-DVDs.jpg, though DVD covers, is not properly tagged. This is for a shot of the DVD cover and nothing else.  This should probably be tagged a promo photo, but only if that is the case. I also question the PD claim on Image:Alien decoder.PNG, since the image creator didn't create that alphabet.  This might be a problem.  There are also three screenshots on the page, and no more than two are permitted.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far. --Esprit15d 21:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As it will need to be adressed eventually does anyone have an opinion on which of the screenshots to remove? I would say the slurm poster one as it doesn't add as much to the article as the other two (the crew and the setting are more significant I would think).  Any opinions?  We might as well get it over with if we want to make another GA run someday.Stardust8212 14:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Since it has been over a month and no one has responded I took the initiative and did it, if you disagree please discuss here, don't just revert it. Thanks! Stardust8212 16:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

well technically
"...and "ask" is an archaic pronunciation of "axe.""

technically its: "aks"

also it's dubious as to whether this is a "modernisation" (post yr2k) because in the episode where they travel back in time and to area 51 leela says "fry's from this time, i'll act like him" and then uses the word "aks" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.112.175 (talk • contribs)


 * ...I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is. If anything, it can be safely assumed that Leela doesn't understand the difference between 1950s culture and 1990s culture, hence her inappropriate word choice. EVula 04:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Additionally, "I'll act like Fry" does not thus imply that every action and word she uses subsequently is then based on Fry's time. TheHYPO 18:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The official closed captioning(the one provided by FOX on the DVD) spells it "axe". What is your source for it being "aks"? TJ Spyke 21:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The captions should never be used as a reference. They are frequently wrong (e.g., the "fing-longer" is shown as the "thing longer"). &mdash;Buddy13 04:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed the axe/aks thing too. Has this been settled? I'm pretty sure that "aks" is more correct since it is derived by transposing two of the letters that spell "ask" Tengchaw 23:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure it makes a big difference. Reasonably if we say "it is now pronounced axe" or "it is now pronounced aks" we're really saying the same thing as they are both pronounced the same way. If we said "it is written axe/aks" that would make a difference. Unless there is an official source (and the subtitles are really the closest thing we have, even if they are known to be incorrect at times) I don't think we can really settle on one or the other. How are other show spellings determined? Such as Ndnd or Lrrr having 3 r's instead of 2? Stardust8212 23:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I hadn't considered pronunciation v. spelling, but I would think that it should make a little bit of difference. I also completely ignored the earlier posts regarding the spelling in the subtitles (I know, I should have RTFA--I'm truly sorry). But if the subtitles have been shown to be unreliable (e.g., fing-longer), than shouldn't axe/aks be corrected? Tengchaw 07:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I should also add, in this case, aks/axe is clearly a reference to a current colloquial word (as opposed to Ndnd or Lrrr). If we accept that it's a reference to a contemporary word, than I think it's clear that "aks" is the appropriate spelling, no? Tengchaw 07:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

the axe/aks... (from late 20-th century urban America slang for the word ask...) this falls into the Futurama method of satorizing history/historians as in the flexo episode where Gerald Ford invented the 'automocar' and an Einstein impersonator invites a Hammurabi impersonator to 'disco dance' The writers demonstrating how easily history can be confused/distorted and our current trends will be distorted/confused as history in 1000 years...

Missing Annie Award Win
Hi regular posters!

I noticed that the page doesn't mention the Annie Ron Weiner won for "Fryrish." I can add it myself, but you guys seem to be working on getting this page cleaned up for a Good Article award, and I didn't want to mess around with portions that you don't want messed with. Officer 1BDI 07:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and add it. Speaking of which, it would probably be better to directly source each award's website for nominations and wins instead of citing IMDb.  Thoughts? Jtrost (T | C | #) 17:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe someone already added it, but Officer 1BDI remember to be bold. Also, I think we should cite one website for awards and not an nth number of imdb pages. -- Will Mak  050389  02:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Futurama Collector's Bag
This addition looks like a big advertisement for some website. I think it should be removed. All in favor... Stardust8212 23:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed it. It was clearly an ad. Jtrost (T | C | #) 23:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * An ad? I did not include the Futurama Collector's Bag to "advertise" it as I have absolutely nothing to gain from doing so. I felt it was a worthy addition to the article for those interested in seeing the various ways in which Futurama is being released on DVD in region 4 and abroad. Sillygostly 05:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It's irrelevant really. The bag is just a package that contains the 4 existing releases. It's not a new release, it's merely a bundling of the old releases. It may be a valid point in an article on all futurama merchandise, but the main article should only deal with actual new collections of episodes (not a bundling of the sets already listed). TheHYPO 15:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

listen to all of the f'ing dvd commentarys and you will see that im right
why did my input about the 2nd alien language get removed? i heard it from matts own bludey mouth that their is a second alien language that looks exactly like the 1st one but you have to go back 2 letters from the original letter for the right one, but no i cant be right. wtf? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.148.243 (talk • contribs)


 * Is there a way to know which episode commentary this is from? I don't remember hearing this, but if it is true we could cite that commentary. -- Will Mak  050389  02:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, list an episode; I don't remember hearing anything like that anywhere... Buddy13 02:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I deleted it because, if you "READ THE F'N ARTICLE", you'll see that the article already mentions the second language and its modular form not 2 sentances before where you put your edit. Also, your edit was very poorly written and didn't fit into the structure of the paragraph you crammed it into. TheHYPO 04:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

French?
Someone gives an example that shows that french has died out (universal translator), stating that the Prof's translator only responds in French. However, this doesn't seem to prove that French has died off without more clarification. To me it shows that French exists... TheHYPO 08:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The professor says something along the lines of the universal translator only translating into an unitelligible dead language. Then it translates "Hello" to "Bonjour" and the professor complains that its nonsense.  Not sure how to sum that up more clearly. Stardust8212 11:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried clearing it up. Anybody able to word that more elegantly is welcome to edit it. — Mütze 12:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, during Space Pilot 3000, during the first (2000) New Year's countdown, france is shown and they say their number in French. During the second countdown, when France is shown (this time with a hovering Eiffel Tower), they speak their number in English. A subtle hint, but still supports the idea that French has died out. However, contradictory information is also present. Zoidberg says a French phrase (I don't know French and wouldn't even begin trying to spell out what he said), I believe in The 30% Iron Chef. The restaurant orbiting Planet Amazonia was named "Le Palm D'Orbit". And finally, though I personally consider the comics rather low in the canon-scale, in Whole Lotta Leela, Leela says she's learning French. So, there you have it. I just confused the matter even further! Buddy13 19:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

It's confirmed in the episode commentaries that French being a dead language is a running joke. Same thing with the owls replacing mice. WesleyDodds 17:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Although it may be a running joke, French is indeed still present in the show. Another example is when Bender speaks it in the robot insane asylum as part of his Napolean imitation. 199.126.137.209 05:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What Zoidberg says is "j'accuse!", though maybe there should be accents. I think it means "I accuse (you)!", which is what the others were doing at the time (accusing Bender of bending things). The other appearances of French are as the name of a restaurant and when Bender imitates Napoleon ("Je suis Napoleon," "I am Napoleon"). Not really evidence that French is not a dead language, considering establishments can have Latin names, and people quote Latin phrases. Of course, this means it isn't "unintelligible", except maybe to the Professor. - Swi tch t 09:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Cryonics/Cryogenics
Does series every use the term 'cryogenic' in reference to fry's freezing? If so, it might be a simple evasion of the frequent edit to add something like:
 * cryonically frozen (called "cryogenically" in the series as is a common, but erroneous substitution)

Just a thought TheHYPO 11:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It is a misnomer. --LorianTC 11:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's the word... so I'm suggesting if the show itself ever uses the term cryogenics to refer to it, a note in the article >(though the misnomer "cryogenics" is used in the series)< or something of that nature. TheHYPO 12:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The company that Fry was delivering Pizza to was called Applied Cryogenics. However, one episode is titled "The Cryonic Woman", thus hinting that they knew of the misnomer. But the public at large still calls it "Cryogenics", so that's probably why they stuck with it... Buddy13 19:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Would it be appropriate to include information on the use of real scientific and mathematical principals as they are portrayed in futurama? I'm not sure how much we should include but it might be of interest if there was enough info. A point about the cryonics/cryogenics issue would fit well. Stardust8212 20:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There are a few references to real mathematical and scientific theories and paradoxes. Off the top of my head, I can remember the Professor complaining that "You changed the result by measuring it!", Bender being able to run through a diode only in one direction when converted to metaphysical subatomic matter, binary being written on a wall (in roblood maybe?) that when translated directly to decimal returns "666" (and scares Bender), an "Aleph-nul-plex" appearing in a parody of the "multiplex", two large books briefly seen in a closet labelled "N" and "P" respectively, "Strong Force" Crazy Glue, Klein's Beer sold in apropriate bottles, a robot-inhabited planet called "Chapek 9", and referring to Bender's DNA as "RNA". I'm sure there are plenty more, but we only really need one or two examples from each field that has had jokes referencing it. - Swi tch t 09:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This is exactly the sorts of things I was talking about. I think something about this would be a good addition to the article. Anyone wanna take on that task? If no one else does it I'll try to throw something together in the near future.Stardust8212 14:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I just remembered another double-joke; the stitch in Bender and Fry's apartment reads:
 * 10 HOME
 * 20 SWEET
 * 30 GO TO 10
 * That appears at first to be a simple BASIC joke punning on "Home! Sweet Home!", but on closer inspection, that program would run indefinitely as "Home Sweet Home Sweet Home Sweet Home Sweet..." etc.
 * That in particular is probably too fancruftish, not to mention verging on OR (the intent of the error is debatable), but the article desperately needs more discussion of the series' humour, and the more obscure jokes referring to philosophy, physics, metaphysics, computer science, biology, and science fiction history are a large part of the reason the show garnered a cult fanbase. I'll try to make a paragraph discussing those elements of Futuramas style, and how combining that with low-brow humour and everything in between made it successful. - Swi tch t' 16:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Audio Commentaries
I was wondering should we have an article(s) devoted to the audio commentaries of the show? Seeing as how this is one of the only shows to have ever episode of the series have an audio commentary to it and how they seem to be extremely interesting and reveal interesting details.CartoonDiablo 14:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)CartoonDiablo
 * An entire article dedicated to audio commentaries would be considered fancruft. If there are particular notable and encyclopedic parts of the audio commentary that are relevent to this article, you are welcome to add them as long as they are properly cited. Jtrost (T | C | #) 15:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind I'm not advertising, but such an article might be appropriate for a Futurama-centric Wiki, such as my own or the other listed at the bottom of the Futurama article. Buddy13 20:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Futurama game
Is the game still available in stores?-66.169.124.10 16:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Depends on the store. It is still available from many online retailers, though. Just do a Google search. ♠ SG →Talk 10:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Depends moreso on the country. Some local video game distributors may have decided to discontinue the game. However, the game is still widely available at a budget price in Australia. And due to the new-found popularity of Futurama in Australia, I don't see any signs of the game being discontinued anytime soon on our shores. Sillygostly 03:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Awards section
I noticed redoing the awards section was on the to-do list, so I've redone it with a more compact style. I also used pipe syntax instead of pure HTML tables to make it simpler. If you don't like my changes, please revert. What do you think? ♠ SG →Talk 10:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it looks pretty good, the only odd thing I see is that the "Nominations" Heading being centered over the two columns is a bit confusing, it is hard to tell at first glance if it it two columns of wins and one of noms or vice versa. I think it might look better if the heading was just over the first column rather than centered.  It would just look better IMHO but I don't know how to do it.  Other than that...good work! Stardust8212 17:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed! All I had to do was use a "text-align: left" CSS style. ♠ SG →Talk 21:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

smizmar?
[Smizmar] redirects to this page, but this page doesn't explain (or even use) the word "smizmar". (I can't remember what it means; that's why I searched for it in the first place).
 * It's a meaningless one-off joke word from Futurama. It doesn't mean anything. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the redirect should be changed to the episode the joke is in, I think the term might be explained there and it would be more appropriate, I'll see what I can do. Stardust8212 12:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's in three or four different episodes. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 13:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It can't be a one-off and be in three or four different episodes *wink-wink* Anyway, I redirected it to "Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch" because it is the main focus of that episode more so than any other episode and the only episode where the meaning of the word is discussed in any episode (at least as far as I can remember). If you disagree feel free to change it to somewhere more appropriate. Stardust8212 15:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There should be a page with words unique to Futurama and other unique lingual stuff, like aks/ax instead of ask
 * Ladies, Gentlemen and Smizmars! in the Ultimate Robot Fighting league episode(i think?)the referee announces thusly. Smizmar is explained as the mating partner in Kiff's species; as a nonsexual mating parent/partner...but it is used in other episodes, sporadicly like a running gag...

Officially Back or Not?
Ok, I've read two things. First, that there are thirteen new episodes in production, to be aired alongside old ones on Comedy Central, in 2008. Second, that the four direct to DVD films are actually each being broken up into four twenty-two minute "episodes", making the total count at sixteen "episodes" and no new ones are being made at all (aside for the films).

I've read more of the former then of the latter, but what is the straight goods here? Chewbacca1010 19:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Ron Popeil and specifics on which world the show parodies
Specifics are better and assist the article in my opinion, just trying to avoid undue conflict by asking for opinions of others here. Man in black seems to disagree. Chieftain Rosewater 15:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I assume this is in regards to your recent edit conflict? It might be helpful to give a little more detail for those who don't already know what you're talking about. I agree with the Man in Black that a lot of small "one-off" type jokes do not belong on the main Futurama page.  Many of the minor details are discussed in the specific episode pages or character/item specific pages. For example Ron Popeil is discussed here.  In the previous version of this article lots of people added small details from one-off jokes which they personally thought were important.  The overall result was not a better more informative article but a hodge podge of random info which was poorly written, poorly organized and generally didn't read well at all.  Much of this was removed in the new slimmed down version and for those of us that think this version represents a significant improvement it is natural to remove additions which are seen as leading back towards the older version. This at least explains my viewpoint, I would rather leave the Ron Popeil trivia factoid out. (Sorry, that was more than I originally intended to write) Stardust8212 17:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Season synopses
What is the benefit to the article of this section? It merely sums up a bunch of unrelated events and gags without really saying too much about the series. We already have articles about episodes, so this sort of business is redundant. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 16:09, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, kill it. Adds nothing to the article. EVula 16:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I said the same thing months ago, but noone listened. TheHYPO 17:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * On the bright side, though, at least you finally got to kill it. :-) EVula 18:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Amy Wong's second language
Can anyone verify that Amy Wong's second language is really Cantonese. My Cantonese is a little rusty (haven't spoken it in many years), but I do not think that Amy speaks/curses in Cantonese. Thanks for any comments 203.129.147.144 14:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC) (Steph)
 * I can't site the episode, but it is mentioned in the commentaries once or twice, though never by Lauren Tom herself. Buddy13 21:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * She does speak cantonese, she says 我要打死你 (translation: I will kill you) in one of the episodes and Bender repeats it. Go Futurama! Sp3000 01:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

30th Century Fox
30th Century Fox redirects here, yet there is no mention of it anywhere on the page. 206.165.101.124 13:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC) This was my comment, somehow I became logged out. JonoP 13:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well there isn't enough information about it for its own article and in the grand scheme of things its probably not even significant enough for a mention on this page, I can't think of anything encyclopedic to say about it. Stardust8212 18:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually the story is quite interesting and deserves a mention, the problem is finding a reliable source for it. EnsRedShirt 08:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a story? What is it? --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 23:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The story is that the crew wanted to make a fake "30th Century Fox" logo for the end of each episode and asked 20th Century Fox to do this. They refused because they thought it would cost too much.  The crew made it anyway and it turns out it only cost about 50 dollars to do, which the studio duly reimbursed them for.  It's all discussed in one of the DVD commentaries, probably the first episode. WesleyDodds 01:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah. That is an interesting story. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 09:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm not sure that's worth mentioning in the article, but it was a fun little read. Anyway, it makes sense that 30th C. Fox redirects here, even if it's not mentioned- if there's nothing to say (or nothing worth saying), it might as well be a redirect. -- Kicking222 22:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the likelihood of someone looking for 30th Century Fox not in conjunction with its use in Futurama is pretty low. If they look for it, they're probably expecting this page. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 22:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be redirected to 20th Century Fox since it is actually a parody of the production company. 141.150.111.203 15:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is only used in Futurama, so redirecting it would just cause more confusion. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 15:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Good Article on hold (2 December 2006)
Sorry to everyone to have to do this, but I have listed this article as being on hold for the next 7 days. My reason for this is the existence of a "citation needed" tag within the 'DVD and future movies' section which needs an adequate reference to back up the fact. Once this has been done I will be happy to reassess the article again. Wikiwoohoo 21:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I see it listed as such on imdb but I'm not sure that counts as a reliable source. My suggestion would be that if we can't find a reliable source for that piece of information that we simply remove it, I don't think it would damage the article significantly to remove it. Anyone else have better luck finding a source? Stardust8212 01:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As no source has come forward I have removed the offending statement, please carry on with your review. Stardust8212 16:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! I have decided that the article in its present state is a good article. Well done to all those involved. Wikiwoohoo 21:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section.
It states in the trivia section that Xiaolin Showdown makes a reference to becoming your own grandfather, and that this is in fact taken from Futurama. I see no reason why this should be considerred trivia as the storyline of becoming ones own grandfather is common in science fiction comedies today, there is even a song called "I'm my own Grandpa". If none of you have any objections I believe that part should be removed from the trivia section. Zimopia 19:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)zimopia.
 * This section of the article was completely removed earlier today so it should not be an issue. Thanks for keeping a watchful eye! Stardust8212 19:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "I'm My Own Grampa", for the record, has nothing to do with science fiction, time travel or time paradoxes. Regardless, the entire trivia section (such as it was - some mentions of Simpsons references and Xialoin Showdown) has been removed. - Swi tch t 20:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's back as of right now, and should really be re-removed. I don't know if that trips the three edit rule or not, not being much of a Wikipedian myself.  I'll leave the work to someone else. --70.166.64.3 19:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3RR only applies to three reverts in one day. Reverting the same nonsense repeatedly over a longer period of time is fine. I'll remove it. ~ Swi <font color="#000000">tch  <font color="#005500">t <font color="#005500">c <font color="#005500">g 05:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Futurama Episodes
It seems like there should be a better way to deal with this rather than having a Top Level section header which contains nothing but a link. Perhaps it could be moved to the DVD rlease section as a short intro such as "Futurama consists of 72 episodes which have been released as four volumes on DVD..." followed by the table. I think it would be good to find a way to not have two sections one of which consists of a table with no explanatory text and the other which is just a link to another article, it would improve the article significantly in my mind. Does anyone else have suggestions about what to do about this. As usual I will go ahead with my evil plans if I don't get any opposing opinions in the next week. Stardust8212 18:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Is it worth requesting semi-protection of this page? --cfp 19:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've warned the anon editor to stop vandalizing the page; if it happens again, they'll get a block thrown up. If it still continues after the block, I'll protect the page. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 19:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ahh sorry, I requested semi-protection before I saw your comment. Didn't realise you had it under control. --cfp 19:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried requesting semi-protection, but they said there wasn't enough recent activity, which I beg to differ... --<span title="AAAA:AAA!" style="color:red">AAA!  (<span title="AAAA AAAA:AAA!" style="color:green">AAAA • <span title="AAAAAAA:AAAAAAAAAAAAA/AAA!" style="color:teal">AAAAAAAA ) 23:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ahh well one way or another it's semi-protected now. It shows that the process isn't exactly flawless... Still we got there in the end, so we can't complain. --cfp 00:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the proper thing would have been to warn the user after the first time they vandalized the article; by the third time happened, they could have been blocked, thereby removing the need to protect the article. "Deal with the problem, not the victim" is my philosophy in such things. ;) EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 00:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Aye you're probably right. Still looking in the history I counted 8 different vandalising IPs, so blocking one individual may not have had much effect in any case. --cfp 12:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've reported the vandal(s) to WP:RFI for using sockpuppets to add UPN nonsense. Me and David Levy are currently taking care of him. -- AAA!  ( AAAA • AAAAAAAA ) 12:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Galactic politics facts?
I was just reading the "Galactic politics" section and was surprised by some of the information in it. It states for instance "Much of the Milky Way Galaxy now operates under the Earth government's sphere of influence", is this really true? I never really got that impression from watching the show, certainly Earth seemed to be invading some weak planets, but does Earth really hold power over the Galaxy? For one thing the Earth was invaded many times by seemingly superior aliens, so they obviously aren't that Militarily dominant.

The second thing was the statement on the DOOP "The Democratic Order Of Planets (D.O.O.P.) was founded in 2945 after the Second Galactic War", where does this information come from? was it ever stated in the show? because I don't seem to remember it. --Hibernian 17:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't remember the date of its formation being mentioned, but it could be. As for the sphere of influence, I would probably strike it. Earth doesn't seem to be as dominant as Kif Kroker's race, for example. However, which of the invaders came from within the Milky Way? The Brainspawn didn't, I have no idea about the Decapodians, and the Omicronians almost certainly are from this galaxy (their plaet is shown as being outside ths galaxy sometimes, but if they're only 1000 light years away, that's not really possible. ~ <font color="#FF0000">Swi <font color="#000000">tch <font color="#005500">t 07:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

TV resolution
What does this mean: "Television is a primary form of entertainment, though the resolution is in fact higher than 31st century reality." ? It's set in the 31st century, so how can TVs be higher resolution than they are? If it's a typo, and it's supposed to say "21st century", then it's an odd way of phrasing the sentence anyway. --DudeGalea 23:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a silly inference based on a mediocre joke. In one episode Fry says something akin to "But TV has better resolution than real life." I think we should simply change it to say, "Television is a primary form of entertainment" and explain it's importance in the show. - Zepheus &lt;ツィフィアス&gt; 23:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

why does alienese redirect here?
why does alienese redirect to the futurama? did they delete alienese? --<font face="cursive" color="green" size="3">kozmic |<font face="cursive" color="red" size="3">sk8r 10:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Found a link to this in the History of Alienese: Articles for deletion/Alienese. - Zepheus &lt;ツィフィアス&gt; 02:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

edits 1/25
I removed the 30th century fox logo as the article criteria states that no more than 2 screenshots should be used and that makes three. The cast and setting shots add much more to the article whereas the logo can be explained by a simple sentance. I removed the bit about "Bender is the oldest crew member" as it is a spoiler for "Roswell That Ends Well" along with being a one episode joke that is not character defining for Bender. Also until that point Bender is only four years old and the youngest crew member so the statement is somewhat misleading to a casual fan. Also over explanation of the plot of each episode should not be included in that section. Thirdly I removed the statement that the fonts could be downloaded on fan websites as that seems to be a rather unencyclopedic item and a bit too trivial for my tastes.

If anyone takes issue with these items I'd be happy to discuss. Stardust8212 20:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

wotz wrong with the fonts thing?

--<font face="cursive" color="green" size="3">kozmic |<font face="cursive" color="red" size="3">sk8r 10:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's unencyclopedic, meaning something I wouldn't consider to belong in an encyclopedia. Also the focus of the article is the television show, why and how it is significant or notable.  Saying that the font can be downloaded from a fansite does not give more insight into the show nor does it explain more about the importance of the language itself.  Just because something is unequivicably true doesn't mean it belongs here.  Or at least that was my reasoning.  Of course this is the encyclopedia which can be editted by anyone so I don't have the final say in the matter by any means. Stardust8212 22:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, instead of mentioning the font in the article proper, a link to such a font set could be added unobtrusively at the end, in the "External Links" section? Would this be more acceptable? Just a thought. 71.56.86.252 09:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Numbering of the episodes
According to a possbily broken collection that I have access to, it seems that there is another numbering scheme. For example, my collection's Season 1 contains only nine episodes, the remaining four are placed at the beginning of the Season Two. And some episodes' order is swapped as well... Is it another naming scheme (from other country, fex), or just some error that got spread over the network? Jkt 00:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really sure but could it be the numbering scheme from the order they were aired? I believe they were aired as five seasons but meant to be four so maybe it's that numbering scheme? Not sure what differences there would be from that. Just an idea. Stardust8212 02:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 4 seasons. The fifth season only contains episodes that never originally aired. -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 02:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup talk page and peer review?
Hey all, I cleaned up the talk page by merging the peer review, failed FA and GA boxes into a single box (I got the idea from Talk:DNA, hope nobody minds, if you do feel free to restore the old version. I think there may be a failed GA and a peer review possibly missing from the list but I don't know when/where they are right now, if I track them down they can be added pretty easily. The talk page should probably be archived again as well but I haven't figured out how to do that yet.  Anyway, does anybody else think it's time this article goes through peer review again? I'd like to see it promoted to Featured status before the new material is released (vague goal, I know). Stardust8212 00:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Isn't the opening paragraph wrong, re: 30th Century Fox? Doesn't the series take place in the Thirty-FIRST century?  I'm not totally certain, but I believe this may be the case. Keen Machine 20:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The logo is a direct spoof of 20th Century Fox and is correct. -th1rt3en 21:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

What about Scruffy?
Does anyone think Scruffy should be included in the character list? Goldfishsoldier 00:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. Stardust8212 04:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He's a thrice-off joke. He appears in as many episodes as the guy with a mumuu with a 9 on it and the censor bar couple, just for some perspective. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

True, but at least Scruffy had some lines, and some funny jokes tied in with him. Vicious203 17:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Mom, Zapp, Kif and even Cubert play more significant roles in the series than Scruffy and those are still not considered major characters. If we listed every character here that had some lines and a joke we'd be recreating the various lists of recurring characters and it would just bog down the page without adding anything useful. Stardust8212 18:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Science humour
I just wrote the page Science humour. The final section is "Humour in science fiction". I mentioned Futurama, Douglas Adams, etc. Could you please head over, and help develop the article? Cheers, samwaltz 18:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

THIS IS ALL WRONG!!!!!!
THERE ARE FIVE SEASONS OF FUTURAMA, NOT INCLUDING THE NEW ONES!!! if u look at wen they are aired, they are out of chronological order!!!!!!! it makes no sense!!!! SUM ONE FIX THIS!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.166.42 (talk) 04:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Be Bold and fix it yourself DXRAW 04:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd rather you didn't fix it yourself, because you're wrong. There were five airing seasons of Futurama, but only four production seasons. Four were made, but they were aired out of order and, as a result, in five "seasons." Only four seasons were made. In most countries, they were aired as four seasons. They were released on DVD as four seasons. That the broadcasting company didn't care to respect the wishes of the creators has no impact. ~ <font color="#FF0000">Swi <font color="#000000">tch  <font color="#005500">t <font color="#005500">c <font color="#005500">g 05:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Direct-to-DVD news
Here's an article on several new direct-to-DVD Futurama movies that will be released soon if you want to include it in the DVD section. I'm sure you could look for other sources if necessary, this was just the first place I spotted it. --Nehrams2020 19:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Lauren Tom and Phil LaMarr
How come they are listed as guest stars? Their characters (Amy Wong and Hermes Conrad, respectively) are on the show as much as the others. Why are they guests stars instead of normal stars?
 * It's how they're credited. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * But what I want to know is WHY they were credited as guests and not normal cast members. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.62.231.2 (talk) 22:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

Ratings
I added a section about the show's ratings (or what I could find on them). I couldn't find much of anything, but it's a start I suppose. Chickenmonkey 15:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Cryonics/Cryogenics... again
In the article, "cryonically" and "cryogenically" continue to be swapped back and forth. I see that this was discussed some time back, but I don't know if it was agreed upon what should be said in the article (it apparently didn't stick if it was). The correct term would be "cryonically". Many things can be speculated: perhaps they used "cryogenics" instead of "cryonics" by accident (not likely given the circumstances, but possible), perhaps the "Applied Cryogenics" name was a false front to hide the fact that the company was practicing "cryonics", perhaps the lab really was a cryogenics lab, perhaps it was a cryogenics lab when it was named. Another possibility, and what I believe is the case, cryonics is an application of cryogenics, so perhaps naming the company "Applied Cryogenics" was a clever use of words by the writers. No matter what the case, the proper word to use when referring to Fry's freezing is "cryonically". Chickenmonkey 11:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, when refering to the company name is likely the only appropriate time to call it cryogenics. I think this is the same conclusion we had before. Stardust8212 15:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Currently, I'm viewing a few sites to see if it's "cryonically" or "cryogenically". So far I've found nothing, but I'm still looking. Anyway, why can't we just add both? Such as: "The series follows the adventures of a former New York City pizza delivery boy, Philip J. Fry after he is cryonically (or "cryogenically", which is said in the show) frozen at midnight." We still should at least point out that they say "cyrogenically" instead of "cryonically" in the show. -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 01:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * But they don't say he was "cryogenically" frozen in the show that I ever recall (correct me if I'm wrong) the only reference in the show is that the company is named "Applied cryogenics". Cryonics is a way of applying cryogenic technology so the name is not technically incorrect, however when referring to how Fry was frozen the correct term is cryonically. Or well, I think that's correct, I'm relatively positive, but it's not my area of expertise. Stardust8212 02:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I also don't remember them ever referring to a freezing (Fry's or anyone else's) as "cryogenic" in the show. In the episode summary of "Space Pilot 3000" on the back of the DVD it says "After an accidental cryogenic freezing, Fry awakens at the dawn of the year 3000". I still wouldn't include "cryogenic" or "cryogenically" in the article, but I dunno. Chickenmonkey 10:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if that's what it says on the DVD cover, then I'm for to keep it "cryogenic". -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 10:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This question has been killing me too. Since the show says cryongenics, that's my opinion. --The preceding comment was signed by Us  e  r:Sp3000  (talk•contribs) 10:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * How about this "The series follows the adventures of a former New York City pizza delivery boy, Philip J. Fry after he is cryonically frozen in a cryogenics lab at midnight, December 31, 1999, and is revived one thousand years in the future"? Chickenmonkey 10:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, because that might sound confusing. -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 11:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the point is, it can be described as a "cryogenic" freezing. Factually, it can be, but cryonically is more descriptive. It's like saying something is "blue" or saying it's "baby blue". Both are correct, but one says more. So I don't think "cryonically" should be replaced by "cryogenically". I'm sure there's a better way to say it than how I did, though. Chickenmonkey 11:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd compare it more to "coloured" or "blue", but the point is the same. I don't understand the rationale for including "cryogenically" either. I mean, he was cryonically frozen. Even if the show says "cryogenically" - and a DVD blurb doesn't count in my opinion - that's not reason for the article to. ~ <font color="#FF0000">Swi <font color="#000000">tch  <font color="#005500">(<font color="#005500">✉ <font color="#005500">✍ <font color="#005500">☺ ) 13:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a suggestion here but would it be wrong of us to simply avoid the issue completely and say he was "frozen for 1000 years" just leave this bit out entirely? Yes it would be slightly less informative but the details of how he was frozen are sketchy at best and it's not really integral to the plot. This is clearly a more hotly debated topic than I initially realized. Alternatively, are there any sources besides the box which refer to this one way or another? Stardust8212 13:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I find the box a good source, actually. But so far, I haven't found any sites. -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 14:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The word is "cryogenically". Look at this video of Billy West. He says it about 14 seconds in. -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 02:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well... the entire situation is a hard one to clarify. On one hand, the chamber Fry is frozen in may have been a cryogenic chamber so his freezing could be referred to as "cryogenically" in that respect (why Billy West may have used the term, or he might have misused it); which, those chambers, whether they're cryogenic chambers or cryonic chambers, are shown to have been used cryonically (the scene where the cryogenicist points to the sign "You can solve all your problems by freezing them" then frozen people are shown). Then again, the title of an episode is "The Cryonic Woman" which seems to show that the writers can use words (which isn't surprising given the education the writing staff has). The only time I can recall anything close to "cryogenically" being used in proximity to freezing is when Pauly Shore explains how he came to be frozen (something about his interest being peaked by cryogenics; which he could have searched for a cryogenics lab, found Applied Cryogenics, and they offered to cryonically freeze him). Really, the bottom line is either term can be used and either term would be accurate, but cryonically is more accurate and less confusing to a reader. Chickenmonkey 03:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if the box said cryogenically, and Billy West in the video said cryogenically, then I'm voting for "cyryogenically". Why not do this: use "cryogenically", and link it to "cryonics", so it would be like "cryogenically", or <tt> cryogenically </tt> ? -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 06:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Billy West is not a scientist and the box was not written by a scientist. Unless quoting directly (in which case a  template should be used), there's no reason to use jargon incorrectly. ~ <font color="#FF0000">Swi <font color="#000000">tch  ( ✉  ✍  ☺ )  14:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Recurring jokes and catch phrases
I'd say much of the information contained in the "recurring jokes and catch phrases" section shouldn't be in this article, as most of it is charater-specific information that would be better served in their individual articles. Chickenmonkey 14:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. ~ <font color="#FF0000">Swi <font color="#000000">tch  <font color="#005500">(<font color="#005500">✉ <font color="#005500">✍ <font color="#005500">☺ ) 14:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I also agree, the information is mostly already in the character pages. Stardust8212 14:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As the original author of that section, I see your point. Realize I was trying to mirror a similar section from The Simpsons which includes a lot of information already listed on character pages.  Obviously, the Simpsons universe is more dense so I didn't have as much to choose from.  Feel free to edit the section at will, but perhaps an understanding of my motivation will make you see it in a different light.  Hoof Hearted 18:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

What happened to Futurama?
How come there hasn't been any new episodes recently?

Pece Kocovski 05:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * There was a "hiatus" - a stop in production. --The preceding comment was signed by Us  e  r:Sp3000  (talk•contribs) 07:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * But note that it is scheduled to resume on Comedy Central in 2008. Hoof Hearted 18:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Setting section
This:


 * "Futurama's setting is first and foremost a backdrop, and the writers are not above committing continuity errors if they serve to further the gags."

... was recently removed as being "opinion". I certainly believe it's true and I think it can be cited (and perhaps written more clearly). I thought I would place it here so anyone else, if they might remember where it can be cited from, can put it back in or I'll do it when I get a chance to search for a cite. Chickenmonkey 03:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that has been discussed at least once in the audio commentaries. I only have access to season 3 on DVD though. ~ <font color="#FF0000">Swi <font color="#000000">tch  <font color="#005500">(<font color="#005500">✉ <font color="#005500">✍ <font color="#005500">☺ ) 10:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Emmy Wins/Nominations
It looks like this article has the show winning every emmy it was nominated for, but imdb lists only three wins. I don't know enough to say "imdb is right and wikipedia isn't", so I thought I'd mention it here, and hopefully someone who knows better than me can correct the article or me. --Bsteger 04:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The article only lists three Emmy wins, the other five are under the subheading "Nominations" if you could suggest a more meaningful way to represent this please do. I personally find it relatively straight-forward and a lot nicer looking than what was there before (it was changed some months ago, I believe). Stardust8212 04:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, an editor had changed all the Emmy noms into wins. I reverted it. I believe that's what Bsteger was referring to. Chickenmonkey 04:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I must have been looking at the recently corrected version then. Timing is everything, good catch. Stardust8212 05:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

template on Anthology of Interest
I'm not sure what Heycos is looking for in this edit. If the stories are set up as hypothetical, do we need a reference saying they're non-canon? Are we splitting hairs as to what canon means since one could argue that since the frame tale is "real", at least the telling of the stories "really" happened? Do we need a citation that Leela didn't actually murder the rest of the crew and Bender didn't ever become human? I've searched for an authoritive source that says the Anthology of Interest episodes are non-canon, but I can't find anything more than fan sites and blog threads. Finally, I will point out that Treehouse of Horror (series) contains no such reference. Hoof Hearted 14:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This doesn't need citation. If the stories are fictional within the series, obviously they aren't canon. "The stories are all self-contained, introduced in a frame tale story, and considered non-canon". There's nothingin that sentence that could be contested. ~ <font color="#FF0000">Swi <font color="#000000">tch  <font color="#005500">(<font color="#005500">✉ <font color="#005500">✍ <font color="#005500">☺ ) 09:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Possible addition to Opening_sequence section of main article
I have a very knowledgeable musician who has told me that the main musical theme of Futurama is taken from the french musical - Pierre Henry & Michel Colombier: Messe Pour Le Temps Présent.

The theme is reputed to come from the song Psyche Rock I'm trying to locate a copy. Can anyone corroborate? Progman3K 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's on iTunes. This BBC page says that the theme was inspired by Psyche Rock, but it also links back to the WP Pierre Henry page which says the same thing, and it's unsourced (so it's possible the BBC just took unsourced info from WP). I can't remember Christopher Tyng ever talking about the theme itself in any of the DVD commentaries he did.CelebrityApe 08:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Futurama the Return
I can't wait until Futurama returns, becuz i love watching the show on Adult Swim. I've seen every episode and i can't wait until a direct-to-video movie will come out. Futurama is going to be a new ride at all Universal theme parks, right after the Simpsons ride is made. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.93.96.105 (talk) 23:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Primary image
I noticed that User:Hucz recently changed the image in the infobox to an image of some of the primary characters instead of the title screen image. I believe having the title screen image is standard and this image is somewhat redundant to the image of primary characters shown below, but I wanted to make sure this was not discussed previously before I changed it back. -- Will Mak  050389  20:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've not seen any previous discussion of changing the image and I agree that the title screen is a better option. As cast photos go the pre-existing picture is superior as it shows all the primary characters rather than the selection of primary and secondary caracters from the new addition. Stardust8212 21:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Entertainment Weekly blurb
In the May 11, 2007 issue of Entertainment Weekly Futurama was ranked #21 on a list of the 25 best sci-fi movies and TV from the past 25 years. Article here. I'm trying to come up with the best way to include information like this in the article and coming up blank so I thought I'd alert everyone else in case they wanted to throw it in there somewhere. It seems like a notable distinction considering Return of the Jedi and all three Star Wars prequels were deemed unworthy of the list and it beat out Quantum Leap and Doctor Who. Stardust8212 23:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It could go into the award section.