Talk:Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft

Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft
I don't understand why the advantage of the deal is that there will be more jobs in Germany. Is this badly writtern or is the MOD pandering to European nations to support their industries? 217.7.209.108 11:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It does not make any sense....Airbus, partly British or Boeing, not British at all. Given the degree of integration that has been taking place within the European defence industry (Eurofighter, Meteor, MBDA, Stormshadow, A400M etc), the Airbus solution does seem more advantages. Also, more work would be in the UK with NEW aircraft because they will need new wings (UK built) and new Engines (UK built). Matchrthom 19:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk pages are only for discussing improvements to the article - not for discussing the issue in general. However since the issue has been raised - What is the alternative? Is there an all-British, modern, large airliner in production that I haven't heard about?? Also a lot of the content of Airbus airliner is British, and a lot of the value is RR engines. The refuelling system is British too. Mark83 20:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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That rude word
WP:NOTCENSORED suggests we should report the aircrew view uncensored - FSTA = Fucking shortage of tankers again. It seems there is another view, that the offensive word should be censored to F*cking, or some variant. Views?
 * For my self, I prefer to see the original, and find no merit in censoring. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * There is absolutely no merit in censoring, and no precedent for doing so. See articles such as FUBAR and RTFM.  pablo hablo. 11:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * While my personal opinions differ, we still have to go with the policy. Is there any reason not to? Lord Spongefrog,  (I am the Czar of all Russias!)  11:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Please be patient with new users! I'm all for free speach and all that but where do you draw the line? I didn't remove the quote just amended the word i think should not appear in an online encyclopaedia which children can easily access. Seems the consensus is that its OK to offend but not to censor, even for good reason.

There are other examples of this word being changed on this site (not just a band including “f*cking” in their name) so find the inconsistent application of a policy just as wrong as my ‘edit warring’ for which I now apologise and only plead ignorance as my defence. Bobbieball —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbieball (talk • contribs) 11:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Bobbieball: first, on a talkpage, please always end your post with ~ .. this signs your posts. Don't do this in articles themselves though.  Second, the consensus on Wikipedia is that it is not censored.  This doesn't mean we can swear left, right, and centre, but that where appropriate (such as quotes) it is permissable.  I have given you a nice menu of links to other Wikipedia policies that you might find useful as a new editor - I hope they help.  Feel free to ask for further help when needed. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 12:15, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I would suggest that as it is not referenced and not that important or notable it can be removed. MilborneOne (talk) 12:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * nb it does have a reference.  pablo hablo. 12:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a particularly reliable reference just repeating hearsay from another source. Reference or not it is not particularly notable as a nickname unless it can be proved to be in general acceptable use. MilborneOne (talk) 13:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not making any evaluation of the source's quality, just pointing out that it's there. Similarly, I have no idea whether this information should be included, the article's editors will determine that. But if this does stay in, it should not be censored.  pablo hablo. 13:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

A previous amendment to this section made by Mark83 on 18/03/2007 points out that the quote from AFM is censored. Therefore, if it’s to be reproduced (which I’ve never disputed) it should be as it appeared in that publication i.e. “censored”. Bobbieball 14:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC).


 * Now I would say that while the other publication may be censored, wikipedia is not censored (and the flyboys were certainly not censored) Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Future strategic tanker aircraft - future article title
Given it will have a service name of Voyager, where will this article move to Airbus Voyager, AirTanker Voyager? GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'm happy sticking with WP:COMMONNAME; when we start seeing lots of sources giving it a specific new name, we can switch to that name. In the meantime, it might be a bad idea to create a composite name. bobrayner (talk) 16:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested Move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:34, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft → Airbus Voyager – The RAF officially announced on 19.4.11 that the FSTA will be known as the Voyager in RAF service (see here). The page should therefore be moved from the original programme name to its in-service name. ANHL (talk) 16:28, 19 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose - This is the project article. The aricraft is covered at Airbus A330 MRTT. - BilCat (talk) 17:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose this is an article about the procurement project not the actual aircraft, details of Voyager are in Airbus A330 MRTT. MilborneOne (talk) 19:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose No need to rename this article. This article covers the UK tanker procurement programme, which was not affected by naming of the aircraft Voyager. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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Page move: "AirTanker Ltd." ?
The article appears to be a bit of a stub now. I would recommend moving the page to something such as AirTanker Ltd. with a condensed version on this page in the company history/development section. Technically, AirTanker are an airline/aircraft operator now so a new page should be created in any case. Bthebest (talk) 20:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose any move, this is an article on the FSTA government procurement project nothing to do with the aircraft types or Air Tanker. dont have a problem with a separate and new article on the Air Tanker company. MilborneOne (talk) 21:20, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment for info AirTanker Services has been created. MilborneOne (talk) 15:54, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Rename
This article title doesn't feel right to me anymore. The previous rename debate took place in 2011. Now the article doesn't cover a "Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft", but an operational aircraft. Surely something like Airbus A330 MRTT (RAF) would be more logical, covering the FSTA procurement and the operational RAF (and leased) aircraft? Mark83 (talk) 20:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Dont agree the article is not about an operational aircraft but the procurement programme, the aircraft is already covered in Airbus A330 MRTT. MilborneOne (talk) 20:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. With respect I really don't understand everyone's reverence to the title of the programme that delivered the aircraft - the important thing is the aircraft itself. There is little mention of CVF anymore, Wikipedia has replaced that with term with Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier. CVF, like FSTA, was simply what the article was called before it was properly named.
 * Also given that the RAF is the most expeditionary of all the A330 MRTT owning air forces, the article will soon become too RAF-heavy and will require a split (to this article as the operational history as well as procurement history)? Mark83 (talk) 11:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

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