Talk:Götheborg (ship)

Stops in South Africa
These were at the V&A Waterfront, Cape Town then to Hout Bay just around the corner and past Cape Point to Port Elizabeth on 21 March 2006. Gregorydavid 15:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Ports and Journey
I find it hard to believe that they would land at Dijibouti, then Alexandria, then Nice in the days before the Suez Canal. How was this accomplished? Even if they were to stop at Dijibouti and Nice, Alexandria is not even vaguely along the path which would take them back around the Cape of Good Hope. Can someone explain this, please? Thank you. LordAmeth 11:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In the 18th centrury there were no Suez Canal. The ships had to go south of Africa. The boat that 2005-2007 went to China and back "cheated" by using the Suez Canal, to save money and time. -- BIL 10:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah. I missed that that list of ports pertained to the replica and not to the original. Thanks. LordAmeth 13:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Name
I believe the name of the article should be changed to just Götheborg. There is a tendency to refer to the ship as "Ostindienfararen Götheborg" in Swedish, but the actual name on the ship is just Götheborg and nothing else. "East Indiaman" is no more part of the ship's proper name than "Regalskeppet" or "Fregatten" is for Vasa (ship) or Jylland (ship).

Peter Isotalo 12:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was move to Götheborg (ship); keep Götheborg as a dab page for the ship and the city.--Yannismarou (talk) 17:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

East Indiaman Götheborg → Götheborg — "East Indiaman" is not part of the name, but rather a description of the ship. See above for a motivation. It would be enough to move it to Götheborg, but Götheborg (ship) is also an option. — Peter Isotalo 12:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

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 * Support It seems reasonable to remove the "East Indianman" from the title of this article.--Filll (talk | wpc ) 13:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Prefer Götheborg (ship), leaving Götheborg as a dab page; otherwise there will be errors when editors and readers use the old Swedish spelling of the city without realizing the ship existed. But the present name should be changed. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Like User:Pmanderson, prefer Götheborg (ship), leaving Götheborg as a dab page for the ship and the city, Gothenburg, for the same reasons. —  AjaxSmack   05:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Support move to Götheborg (ship), since Götheborg is a well known native former spelling of Gothenburg it should be a dab. --Krm500 (talk) 23:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

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Moving the article to Götheborg (ship) seems like a satisfying alternative to me.

Peter Isotalo 19:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
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Silver
I removed silver as part of the common return cargo. Silver was overvalued in China throughout the 18th century, as Fernand Braudel points out in Civilization and Capitalism. Consequently China was a drain on European silver. The article Swedish East India Company correctly notes that the Swedish East Indiamen stopped in Cádiz to take on silver, before sailing to China. (I would have thought Seville, the silver port for American silver, but no matter.) China was not a source for silver for anyone. --Wetman (talk) 20:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

the article needs to be updated with new information
for example where it was in 2011, 2012 and 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 10:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm working on it! Back soon. :) - W.carter (talk) 22:34, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ - W.carter (talk) 20:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Meanwhile the ship is out of duty. This means, the trip to China is not postponed, it is cancelled. --Plenz (talk) 23:13, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Name, new section
I opted for a special section about the name of the ship since the is a lot of misunderstanding and inaccurate information about the number in the name of the ship. This way, it is clearly shown that there are in fact three ships. w.carter -Talk  16:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Appearance in media
Members of the music band Immanu El have been on the trip to china and this experience has inspired them to create the album "In Passage". The music video for the song "on wide shoulders" have been taken aboard of the Goetheborg. --Joerg-ks (talk) 21:17, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

World's largest operational wooden sailing vessel?
How can the Götheborg be the world's largest operational wooden sailing vessel? Wouldn't that title belong to the USS Constitution which, although currently undergoing restoration/refit, is a full commissioned U.S. Navy ship? She is longer, wider, and nearly twice the tonnage of the Götheborg. Unlike the H.M.S. Victory, which is essentially a static museum, the Constitution is capable of making way under her own sails. 75.138.176.166 (talk) 03:15, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm, looks like you're right. Can't imagine why it's not included in the Template:World's largest wooden ships either. I'll send out some 'pings' to check this out. In the meantime, I've tweaked the sentence in this article. Thanks for raising the issue. Best, w.carter -Talk  11:06, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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One of the largest Wood Ships?
The opening sentence of this article says: "...and one of the world's largest operational wooden sailing vessels."

I don't think this is accurate and doesn't seem to be supported by the reference. The reference does say this: "The East Indiaman Götheborg was, during its expeditions, the largest sailing wooden ship in the world." but that is in reference to the original ship back in the 18th century, not the replica.

For example, the USS Constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution) appears to have roughly twice the tonnage, 1.5 times the length, and roughly twice the sail plan as the Götheborg.

I think this line should be removed.

RedRamage (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Well spotted. Not only was the sentence pointing at the wrong ship, it also seems like the source have the whole thing backwards. See section "Name". This is a replica of Götheborg I while it was the second old ship Götheborg II that was the largest. This can be confirmed by checking Swedish East India Company with the list from Kjellberg. cart -Talk  23:02, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Vättern and Vänern is probably mix up.
″Hydrographic conditions at the mouth of the Göta älv in September 1745, are well known. The discharge of the Göta älv was unusually large due to heavy snowfall during the winter of 1744–45. The water level of Lake Vättern was also extremely high in 1745.″

The Göta Älv get's it's water from the Vänern. The Vättern water runs with the Motala Ström to the east to Norrköping. The Göta Kanal didn't exist at this time and as it's build over a ridge it wouldn't even matter today. So maybe the Vänern level was not recorded and someone thought the Vättern level could have similar changes, which I don't believe as the Vänern water level is quite good recorded over history (Ask at the Vänermuseet at Lidköping. I think they have historical records.) and even if it wouldn't I think the lakes water level changes are hardly comparable. So I think the author mixed Vänern and Vättern up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I2605654 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely right. It was an unfortunate mix-up/typo. Thank you for noticing it! cart -Talk  09:44, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

section of 2023 distress call rescue
Would it be appropriate to provide a small section on it's response to a distress call in 2023, as it appeared to hit a few boating-related news publications and gave some more notoriety to the ship outside of Sweden, and is a notable moment in it's sailing history? 2A02:C7C:C4CD:A500:7859:CD89:DB20:5C27 (talk) 11:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)