Talk:Güiro

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songs
can any one name songs with a guiro playing?


 * A composition rather than a song, but The Rite of Spring by Igor Stravinsky employs one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Livedevilslivedevil (talk • contribs) 10:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

You will hear good guiro playing in almost any song by Los Van Van or NG La Banda. They have a full-time guirero for those bands. It is a very important part for those Cuban bands.

Probably the "definitive" guiro song is Oye Como Va but I would suggest a Tito Puente original version rather than Santana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.81.166.225 (talk) 16:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Frog vs. Toad - just a note, the Guiro in the picture is actually a toad. Toads have parotid glands (the bumps visible behind the eyes), frogs do not.

All I Wanna Do/Sheryl Crow


 * David Bowie, "The Man Who Sold the World" has it playing throughout. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.166.20.139 (talk) 03:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Merge rationale
The güiro and güira are very similar instruments, derived from the same base, therefore it does not make sense to have two separate articles. Kakofonous (talk) 17:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I must respectfully disagree. Yes, they are both Latin-American percussion instruments, played in a similar manner, but they are constructed quite differently, have distinctive sounds, and tend to be used with differing musical traditions. Can most people tell a viola from a violin? They are, in my opinion, considerably more similar than are the güira and güiro, but have individual articles. The same can be said for many other groups of similar musical instruments. Wikipedia has over 30 articles on individual types of drums, many of which differ less than do the güira and güiro. Tim Ross ·talk  11:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Tim insofar as they are different instruments, so different pages.69.17.15.223 (talk) 05:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I also agree, the articles in my opinion ought to remain separate. Philip.t.day (talk) 16:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Being a guirero (I play both kinds), I also have to agree. You'd never see the guira in Cuban son music, and you'd never see a guiro in a Dominican bachata ensemble. If I can, I'd like to remove the tag. DubCrazy (talk) 03:48, 19 August 2008 (UTC)DubCrazy

There seems to be a reasonable consensus to keep the two articles separate. I will delete the tags. Tim Ross  (talk)  11:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Removing "Works that use the instrument"
I am removing the lengthy list of songs which utilise the Guiro. I understand that the instrument is somewhat uncommon in western music; however, no other instrument pages (that I have seen) includes such a list. Some of the entries, if they can be sourced, may be interesting if incorporated into the body of the articles (such as the classical compositions). However, in its current form, the list is inconsistent with wikipedia's formatting and entirely unsourced. Jellocube27 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC).

Diaeresis in wrong place
This applies both to the article on the Güiro and the Güira - I note that the diaeresis is consistently shown over the 'u', not the 'i'. Two dots over the 'u' would produce the German 'ü' ( sometimes written 'ue'). A diaeresis splits two vowels, which would normally be sounded as a diphthong, or in this case, shows that the 'u' is to be sounded separately, as, in Spanish, 'gu' before an 'i' or 'e' normally just sounds like a hard 'g'. At some point IMO someone should go through these two articles converting 'üi' to 'uï', and replacing the older articles with Redirects. Comments? Jpaulm (talk) 15:04, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that is correct. I speak some Spanish and the diaeresis is consistenly over the 'u', as in vergüenza or lingüistica. see here, and here. What is wrong is the pronunciation guide after the word. It should show something like goo 'eero. On reflection the pronounciation guide is fine. Comments welcome. In the absence of comments I'll change it to the correct pronounciation. Kind regards.  Richard Avery (talk) 17:21, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, the pronunciation shown is more or less correct (though I am no expert on IPA), but the first consonant should possibly be ɣ (I am not expert in Spanish, either). The word has two syllables, not three. As for the dierisis, no Spaniard would assume that a Spanish word should be pronounced as if it were German, any more than a German would assume a German word should be pronounced as if it were Spanish. In English, the term is a loan-word from Spanish, not from German, and should be spelled by the Spanish rules.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposed new additions for this page
As an undergraduate student at a college, I have been researching this instrument with hope to add more information. From the sources I have gathered thus far, I will be adding information about the background and use of the güiro. There is also some regional information pertaining to the güiro, so I will add this. I may also create a new section pertaining to the background of the instrument or the regional uses of the instrument. Many Latin American percussion instruments have roots from Africa or the origins are disputed to have come from Africa. Therefore, even though I am taking a Latin American history class, I will also add any relevant information that is from Africa. It is important to understand the background of an instrument to better understand its use and the value of an instrument. Instruments were conceived for a specific purpose. Looking at this can help both historians and musicians gain a greater understanding of an instrument. Along with the sources I already have, I am waiting on several books which I may be able to use to add more information to the article. Below is a bibliography of the sources I have gathered to use.

"Caquetio." In Handy Answer: Native American Almanac: More Than 50,000 Years of the Cultures and Histories of Indigenous Peoples, by Yvonne Wakim Dennis, Arlene Hirschfelder, and Shannon Rothenberger Flynn. Visible Ink Press, 2016. http://0-search.credoreference.com.dewey2.library.denison.edu/content/entry/vipnative/caquetio/0?institutionId=4607

"Guiro." In The New Penguin Dictionary of Music, by Paul Griffiths. Penguin, 2006. http://0- search.credoreference.com.dewey2.library.denison.edu/content/entry/penguinmusic/guiro/0?institutionId=4607

"Introduction." In Entertainment and Society around the World: Pop Culture in Latin America and the Caribbean, edited by Elizabeth Gackstetter Nichols, and Timothy R. Robbins. ABC-CLIO, 2015. http://0-search.credoreference.com.dewey2.library.denison.edu/content/entry/abccliopop/introduction/1?institutionId=4607

John M. Schechter, et al. "Güiro." Grove Music Online. Oxford Music Online. Oxford University Press, accessed September 27, 2017, http://0- www.oxfordmusiconline.com.dewey2.library.denison.edu/subscriber/article/grove/music/12008.

Mumford, Jeremy. "Salvadoran Americans." In Gale Encyclopedia of Multicultural America, edited by Gale. 3rd ed. Gale, 2014. http://0-search.credoreference.com.dewey2.library.denison.edu/content/entry/galegale/salvadoran_americans/0?institutionId=4607

Ríos, Kristof. "Puerto Rico." In Latin Music: Musicians, Genres, and Themes, edited by Ilan Stavans. Greenwood, 2014. http://0-search.credoreference.com.dewey2.library.denison.edu/content/entry/greenwoodlie/puerto_rico/0?institutionId=4607

Russell, Craig H. "Music: Mesoamerica Through Seventeenth Century." In Encyclopedia of Mexico: History, Society & Culture, edited by Michael S. Werner. Routledge, 1998. http://0-search.credoreference.com.dewey2.library.denison.edu/content/entry/routmex/music_mesoamerica_through_seventeenth_century/0?institutionId=4607

Solís, Ted. "Jíbaro Image and the Ecology of Hawai'i Puerto Rican Musical Instruments." Latin American Music Review / Revista De Música Latinoamericana 16, no. 2 (1995): 123-53. doi:10.2307/780370.

Emilyelizabeth20 (talk) 20:20, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Question: will you use subject headings to highlight your new focus on the influence of African instruments? Katherine.Holt (talk) 18:15, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Review
This article gives a very nice overview of the topic. I did not feel that any important information was missing and I did not see any grammatical or spelling errors. The only issue I noticed is that the the penultimate sentence in the history section does not make sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.violetgrass (talk • contribs) 14:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Other meanings
(moved from page) In Regla de Ocha, a güiro is a musical performance and ceremony that uses shekeres, hoe blade, and at least one conga to accompany the religious songs of the Orishas.