Talk:Gülen's movement

There should be an article about the movement. It is simple now in the current form but I will be working on it gradually.

Thanks. Resid Gulerdem 00:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Self-citation?
The article mentions Gulen's being cited as a peaceful hero at a symposium in Texas. However a search yields a bulletin that the symposium there was organized by "The Institute for Interfaith Dialogue for World Peace". This, however, quickly shows itself to be a Gulen-associated organization. I'm pretty new to contributing to Wikipedia, so I don't want to take an action myself, but is it right to have a citation of Gulen's being called a "Peaceful Hero" by an organization which is an off-shoot of his own? I wouldn't be troubled by the citation if it were clearer that the source is Gulenist (don't mean to offend those who don't take well to the word Gulenist), and not, as the citation seems to make itself out to be, a program indepedent of Gulen. Sorry if I'm completely off the ball here. AlonzoRios 2:17, 19th of June, 2006 (EST).

Just want to make my point a little clearer: I'd be more comfortable if the article made clear that the source of citation was Gulenist (as opposed to a pro-peace conference independent of him). As far as I can discern, it's clear that the source is Gulenist. 2:18, 19th of June, 2006 (EST).

Estimate
A movement is usually gauged by the followers. Is there any kind of estimate of either the number of followers, or alternatively, the quality of the followers? Any numeric estimate at all would make the movement appear more notable in wiki-eyes. DanielDemaret 08:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I will improve this article as I find time. But per your question I could say there is at least about 5 million people in Turkey. A lbigger number in the world. And most of the people in Turkey is respectful to him if not followers. There are some secular or radical groups do not like him too, of course. And some of these guys have important position to misuse in goverment who cause some trouble from time to time. Resid Gulerdem 18:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Resid, may I ask what statistical data is your estimation based on the number of Mr. Gülen's followers? Could you give a link to it? Many thanks. Suleyman Habeeb 15:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge
This article should be merged into the main Gülen article. It's short and only duplicates info on Gülen. Despite the manyfold names of the many orgs, schools and lobbies that comprise what is called here, somewhat uniquely, "Gülen's movement", they all share one important detail: They are not independent from Gülen and practically all alike in that they have no independent command structure. I know of at least 5 such organisations with fancy names in Germany alone. But look closer at them, and what you'll find is the same people in position of influence over and over again. Include the Nur-organizations, and the number doubles, but the people are still the same. Azate 02:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, as well the Fethullah Gülen article is not too long. Netscott 01:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that in its current form the article should be merged. However there is indeed a movement but the article preferred not to deal with it. It is called in public Fetullahçılar or cemaat ("community"), but the article somehow avoided these names. Furthermore, the movement has many dormitories and university preparation courses in Turkey and more importantly schools abroad (but I am sceptical about their number as 1000!) which were supported formally by the Turkish governments as a way to increase Turkey's influence in Central Asia and Balkans. To support all these schools (many students had scholarships) and other institutions, a very strong financial structure was built, its sources matter of debate and speculation. -Argonit 21:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, though it needs serious cleaning.baroqqque

They should be seperate
The movement is far different from the philosopher behind it. It is about millions of people, their actions and motivation. This article will be improved gradually as time permits. Resid Gulerdem 11:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide resources for the number you mention - millions? Otherwise, there is no need for this article.Caspase 04:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Millions if you count everybody who has ever watched their TV station, or read one of their newspapers. Counting is difficult due to the number of organizations involved, but the guess of "Human Rights Without Frontiers" (who consider Gülen's orgs a repressed religious group) is two orders of magnitude lower: "tens of thousands"(p.41) Azate 12:28, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The movement is different from the person himself. Even if they are tens of thousands of people, it still deserve a seperate article considering the number of organizations, institutions and their effect in the society. You should take the fact into considerations that the newspaper of the movement (zaman) is #2 newspaper of Turkey which is read by 600,000 people everyday. So you need to update your records. Mokotok 17:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC) Commentary struck as this user is a confirmed sockpuppet used by User:Rgulerdem to evade blocking. Netscott 08:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Redirect created
The question has been up for months on this page, and nobody except User:Rgulerdem seems to think this article is worth having seperately. Also the entire article is without sources (and VERY dubious, to say the least). SI created a redirect to [Fethullah Gülen] Azate 01:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)