Talk:GM Defense

Edit Request
NOTE: I am proposing this edit for FleishmanHillard on behalf of GM Defense LLC. I am a paid editor and aware of the COI guidelines.

I am submitting this edit request to propose changes to the page to reflect accurate information regarding the current incarnation of the company (now named GM Defense LLC) which was reformed in 2017 and also help address the flags on the page regarding verification and notability. Thanks for your consideration. Jon Gray (talk) 23:44, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Company Name
 * The previous incarnation of GM Defense was sold to General Dynamics in 2002. GM Defense LLC was launched in 2017. As GM Defense LLC is the official name of the new company, we proposed updating all mentions of the company name in the article accordingly.

General Information
 * The current introductory section, which reads as follows, is outdated and lacking sources in several areas:

GM Defense is a division of General Motors providing military products.

''GM Defense is the military product division of General Motors focusing on the defense industry needs with hydrogen fuel cell and other advanced mobility technologies. GM Defense projects include SURUS (Silent Utility Rover Universal Superstructure) an autonomous modular platform joint project with the United States Army.''

''ZH2 are modified Chevrolet medium and full size pickups modified for military needs. The ZH2, fitted with a hydrogen fuel cell and electric drive, has a stealthy drive system which produces a very low smoke, noise, odor and thermal signature. This allows soldiers to conduct silent watch and silent mobility missions on the battlefield.''

''General Motors, the Office of Naval Research and the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory are cooperating to incorporate automotive hydrogen fuel cell systems into the next generation of Navy unmanned undersea vehicles, or UUVs. Hydrogen fuel cell technology could augment ships and subs on patrol.''

To bring this introductory overview current, we propose replacing the copy above with the updated and sourced information below:

GM Defense LLC is a wholly-owned subsidiary of General Motors established in October 2017 focused on reimagining advanced automotive technologies for the defense, aerospace and security markets.

GM Defense LLC develops solutions leveraging emerging technologies such as lithium-ion batteries and hydrogen fuel cell systems for land and underwater vehicles and both stationary and mobile power generation.

The company also develops telematics and cybersecurity systems, as well as vehicle platforms and propulsion systems based on diesel and gasoline-powered engines and hybrid powertrains.

GM Defense LLC vehicle projects include the Infantry Squad Vehicle (ISV), the Chevrolet ZH2 hydrogen fuel cell vehicle developed and tested with the US Army, and SURUS (Silent Utility Rover Universal Superstructure), an autonomous modular platform concept.

The company named David Albritton, a Navy veteran and the company’s former executive director of product development and international communications, president of the company in December 2018.

In August 2019, GM Defense LLC received a $1 million-dollar contract from the United States Army to develop two Infantry Squad Vehicle (ISV) prototypes. GM Defense’s ISV is based on the Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 architecture, which leverages 70 percent commercial off-the-shelf components.

Like the ISV, the ZH2 was also based on the mid-size Chevrolet Colorado ZR2. The ZH2, fitted with a hydrogen fuel cell and electric drive, produces no toxic emissions and has a minimal noise or thermal signature, enabling nearly silent watch and silent mobility missions on the battlefield.

The company is also working with the Office of Naval Research and the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory to incorporate automotive hydrogen fuel cell systems into the next generation of Navy unmanned undersea vehicles, or UUVs. Hydrogen fuel cell technology could augment ships and subs on patrol.

Current Projects
 * The existing Current Projects section contains outdated information that dates back to the previous incarnation of GM Defense referenced above. We propose replacing the existing table with the following (sourcing included within as well):

History The original GM Defense (founded in 1950) organization and acquired by General Dynamics in 2003 and became part of the General Dynamics Land Systems division.
 * The current line under the History section refers to the aforementioned sale of the original GM Defense to General Dynamics. To add additional context to the company’s history and incorporate verification/sourcing, we propose removing the following copy:

And replacing with this updated information:

General Motors founded a defense business named General Motors Defense in 1950, developing a series of military vehicles over five decades before selling the operation to General Dynamics in 2003, where it became part of the General Dynamics Land Systems division.

Previous Products
 * Propose removing the current Wikitable due to information being outdated and unsourced. In its place, we recommend retaining the following line (with verification):

With the sale to General Dynamics, only GM Defense’s Stryker product lines are still in production.

Facilities
 * Outdated and unsourced list of facilities operated by the previous incarnation of GM Defense; recommend list for removal.

Clients
 * The previous incarnation of GM Defense provided vehicles and turret systems to the Canadian Forces, Romanian Land Forces and New Zealand Army, however, GM Defense LLC does not. As such, we recommend revising client list to only retain US Marine Corps, US Army, US Navy and US Air Force.

Reply 14-FEB-2020
Regards, Spintendo  00:57, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not Wikipedia's practice to place references in the lead section without consensus, per MOS:CITELEAD. Please establish a consensus for this change before requesting it to be added to the article.


 * I consent 64.147.17.234 (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

RfC about inclusion of a citation in lead of edit request and other GM Defense re-writes
Should the revised lead in an edit request be allowed to include a citation? We are seeking consensus on proposed re-writes as well. Jon Gray (talk) 18:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

NOTE: I am submitting this Request for Comment for FleishmanHillard on behalf of GM Defense LLC. I am a paid editor and aware of the COI guidelines.

I am opening this RfC in response to COI editor Spintendo’s initial feedback to our edit request on the GM Defense page (submitted on Feb. 14, 2020). Our goal with this edit request is to update the page with accurate information regarding the current incarnation of the company (now named GM Defense LLC) and also help address the flags on the page regarding verification, etc.

Because our revised copy incorporated a citation in the lead to verify the claim – which as Spintendo pointed out, does not follow MOS:CITELEAD – we were asked to gain consensus on that suggested change first before proceeding with a specific edit request. Furthermore, with significant re-writes requested for the page, the reference box above that he cited also suggests that these should be reviwed by regular contributors for consensus as well.

For reference, below is the proposed lead that would replace the existing lead on the page:

GM Defense LLC is a wholly-owned subsidiary of General Motors established in October 2017 focused on reimagining advanced automotive technologies for the defense, aerospace and security markets.

The full text of our edit request is below as well. We look forward to the community’s thoughts and are hopeful to gain consensus on how to proceed with the lead and proposed re-writes. Thank you for your time and consideration! Jon Gray (talk) 18:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Company Name
 * The previous incarnation of GM Defense was sold to General Dynamics in 2002. GM Defense LLC was launched in 2017. As GM Defense LLC is the official name of the new company, we proposed updating all mentions of the company name in the article accordingly.

General Information
 * The current introductory section, which reads as follows, is outdated and lacking sources in several areas:

GM Defense is a division of General Motors providing military products.

''GM Defense is the military product division of General Motors focusing on the defense industry needs with hydrogen fuel cell and other advanced mobility technologies. GM Defense projects include SURUS (Silent Utility Rover Universal Superstructure) an autonomous modular platform joint project with the United States Army.''

''ZH2 are modified Chevrolet medium and full size pickups modified for military needs. The ZH2, fitted with a hydrogen fuel cell and electric drive, has a stealthy drive system which produces a very low smoke, noise, odor and thermal signature. This allows soldiers to conduct silent watch and silent mobility missions on the battlefield.''

''General Motors, the Office of Naval Research and the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory are cooperating to incorporate automotive hydrogen fuel cell systems into the next generation of Navy unmanned undersea vehicles, or UUVs. Hydrogen fuel cell technology could augment ships and subs on patrol.''

To bring this introductory overview current, we propose replacing the copy above with the updated and sourced information below:

GM Defense LLC is a wholly-owned subsidiary of General Motors established in October 2017 focused on reimagining advanced automotive technologies for the defense, aerospace and security markets.

GM Defense LLC develops solutions leveraging emerging technologies such as lithium-ion batteries and hydrogen fuel cell systems for land and underwater vehicles and both stationary and mobile power generation.

The company also develops telematics and cybersecurity systems, as well as vehicle platforms and propulsion systems based on diesel and gasoline-powered engines and hybrid powertrains.

GM Defense LLC vehicle projects include the Infantry Squad Vehicle (ISV), the Chevrolet ZH2 hydrogen fuel cell vehicle developed and tested with the US Army, and SURUS (Silent Utility Rover Universal Superstructure), an autonomous modular platform concept.

The company named David Albritton, a Navy veteran and the company’s former executive director of product development and international communications, president of the company in December 2018.

In August 2019, GM Defense LLC received a $1 million-dollar contract from the United States Army to develop two Infantry Squad Vehicle (ISV) prototypes. GM Defense’s ISV is based on the Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 architecture, which leverages 70 percent commercial off-the-shelf components.

Like the ISV, the ZH2 was also based on the mid-size Chevrolet Colorado ZR2. The ZH2, fitted with a hydrogen fuel cell and electric drive, produces no toxic emissions and has a minimal noise or thermal signature, enabling nearly silent watch and silent mobility missions on the battlefield.

The company is also working with the Office of Naval Research and the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory to incorporate automotive hydrogen fuel cell systems into the next generation of Navy unmanned undersea vehicles, or UUVs. Hydrogen fuel cell technology could augment ships and subs on patrol.

Current Projects
 * The existing Current Projects section contains outdated information that dates back to the previous incarnation of GM Defense referenced above. We propose replacing the existing table with the following (sourcing included within as well):

History The original GM Defense (founded in 1950) organization and acquired by General Dynamics in 2003 and became part of the General Dynamics Land Systems division.
 * The current line under the History section refers to the aforementioned sale of the original GM Defense to General Dynamics. To add additional context to the company’s history and incorporate verification/sourcing, we propose removing the following copy:

And replacing with this updated information:

General Motors founded a defense business named General Motors Defense in 1950, developing a series of military vehicles over five decades before selling the operation to General Dynamics in 2003, where it became part of the General Dynamics Land Systems division.

Previous Products
 * Propose removing the current Wikitable due to information being outdated and unsourced. In its place, we recommend retaining the following line (with verification):

With the sale to General Dynamics, only GM Defense’s Stryker product lines are still in production.

Facilities
 * Outdated and unsourced list of facilities operated by the previous incarnation of GM Defense; recommend list for removal.

Clients
 * The previous incarnation of GM Defense provided vehicles and turret systems to the Canadian Forces, Romanian Land Forces and New Zealand Army, however, GM Defense LLC does not. As such, we recommend revising client list to only retain US Marine Corps, US Army, US Navy and US Air Force.

Photo Change Request
NOTE: I’m proposing the following photo change request for FleishmanHillard on behalf of GM Defense. I am a paid editor and aware of the COI guidelines.

Photo Change Request - Infobox


 * The company logo currently used in the article’s infobox has since been replaced by a new version. I recently submitted the new logo to Wikimedia Commons on GM Defense’s behalf. We are hoping to have the logo that’s currently used in this article’s infobox exchanged for the correct version:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GM_Defense_Updated_Wordmark_Blue_Horizontal_RGB.png

Per the guidelines, I know editors with a COI may add/update article photos, which I’m happy to do, but first wanted to confirm I am clear to do so, or turn this over to another editor to handle. Please let me know how I should proceed. Thanks for your time and consideration. Jon Gray (talk) 18:41, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Go ahead: I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page. Happy Editing-- IAm  Chaos  06:32, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops I forgot that using the script does't ping Happy Editing-- IAm  Chaos  06:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Will do. Jon Gray (talk) 14:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)