Talk:GSG 9/Archive 1

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The GSG-9 that have done a mission in 2000 in philippines / please can u tell me more about it because i think i know it a bit &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.91.112.168 (talk &bull; contribs).
 * Never heard about such a mission....

I think I can tell you bit about it: In 2000 a family of German citizens was abducted on the Philippinnes by a islamistic militia. The officers of the GSG 9 should inform themselves and so on, but what exactly they did is classified as far as I know. M9IN0G 21:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The Grenzschutzgruppe 9 is abbreviated GSG 9 and NOT GSG-9 ;)
 * http://www.gsg9.de
 * http://www.bundespolizei.de/cln_029/nn_483406/DE/Dienststellen/BPOLP__West/GSG9/gsg9__node.html__nnn=true

We should transfer the article to "GSG 9" since even the German Federal Polic itself does not write GSG 9 out in full anymore (due to the renaming of the Bundesgrenzschutz (Federal Border Guard) to Bundespolizei (Federal Police)). If official language is used, it is now called "GSG 9 der Bundespolizei" (GSG 9 of the federal police).
 * Moved page to GSG 9. -- Chris 73 | Talk 15:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

latest anti-terror-operation in Germany
what about the latest mission of GSG9 in Oberschledorn, Germany? It was all in the news, three terrorists who had been planning multiple attacks on targets such as Frankfurt Airport and Ramstein Ariforce base were arrested by police units lead by GSG9. The terrorists had been subject to intensive observations by BKA over the last months. I don't know enough about the whole issue to write something for the page, but I think someone better informed than me should do. It's one of the only publicly known anti-terror-missions of GSG9 in the post 9/11 era. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.137.213.12 (talk) 21:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actions of GSG9 usually are classified (until they make a movie out of it 30 years later...watch the "Mogadishu" TV film). So, unfortunately, there would be not much of a source for such missions. This sometimes is an aspect in media discussions, but officials don't seem to pay much attention to their requests. --84.152.50.119 (talk) 14:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

world swat challenge
the paragraph under that heading is plagiarised from the world swat challenge site.04:54, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have removed the paragraph and rewritten a one sentence summary. This was probably too long anyway. -- Chris 73 | Talk 10:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Body Count Lies?
Officially they used weapons only in four cases, two of which were against dogs. That leaving two against humans (Mogadishu and Bad Kleinen), who shot the guy at Aachen? 88.73.203.22 10:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

According to official GSG 9 records, weapons were used in Aachen as the hijacker was shot by two GSG 9 officers executing so-called 'final rescue shots'. The course of events has been as following: The hijacker was convinced to leave the central bank by the proposal to provide a car for the hijacker's escape. However, the hijacker left the bank using a male hostage as a human shield. Therefore he had chosen to keep one hand under the hostage's sweatshirt holding a grenade which was connected to the hijacker's wrist by wire. The commanding officer decided to kill the hijacker using two sniper-rifles simultaneously and defusing the grenade with the hostage kneeling on the ground and the dead corpse over the victim's shoulder.


 * Yeah, the Aachen episode was also mentioned in the GSG 9 documentary. Coincidentally, that documentary is where that claim of 'weapons use in only four cases' comes from, but if I remember correctly from the documentary, the Aachen episode was sometime in 1999, give or take a year. I think that was also around the time the documentary was released, so my guess is Aachen happened while the documentary was being made.

Use of RAF for Red Army Faction
I think the use of RAF to abbreviate Red Army Faction could be confusing, especially in a military context, with the British Royal Air Force, although this is a largely German related article, so it could make sense.

Sadly, some WP users think calling the (west German) RAF a terrorist organisation is not NPOV enough for WP. Difficult to difference between the two like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.11.30.10 (talk) 15:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Infobox
Is there a reason the infobox for law enforcement agencies is used instead of the one for military units? GSG9 ist no agency, it is a unit of the German Federal Police, which is an agency. Even though GSG9 isn't exactly a military unit, I think from its content the infobox for military units would make more sense. What do you all think? Der rikkk (talk) 13:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Changed infobox to military unit in July 2017. Consistent with other police tactical units who use the military unit infobox. The law enforcement agency infobox had been used for the article. There is no law enforcement unit that is why the agency had been used. --Melbguy05 (talk) 12:50, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Comparable units list section.
Is this list needed? Most of the units listed on it don't have similar lists on their page. I only see these lists on better known, established teams articles. It almost comes off as a "me too" listing for some lesser known ones. Do we need this list? Does it enhance THIS article? Niteshift36 (talk) 22:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you on that. I think we could leave a reference to the SAS which would make sense but I really don't get the point of having such a long list with special forces around the world. I would suggest we go ahead and erase most of it since I don't believe that it doesn't enhance the article in any way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Der rikkk (talk • contribs) 13:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

If nobody disagrees, I will shorten the section about comparable units in the next few days. Again, this section should only give an idea of what units the GSG 9 can be compared to, i.e. SAS, or Sayeret Matkal. It is NOT supposed to be a copy of the article about the list of special units worldwide. --Der rikkk (talk) 19:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)Der rikkk

I replaced the list with a link to "List of special response units". As stated before, the GSG9 article is not supposed to be a copy of that list. --Der rikkk (talk) 12:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Elected minister responsible
In the info box it says Elected minister responsible. But German cabinet-level ministers are, according to Cabinet of Germany: "... appointed (and dismissed) by the President upon proposal of the Chancellor." So, not elected.--37.24.230.152 (talk) 22:50, 30 October 2015 (UTC)