Talk:Gabriel Quadri de la Torre

Quadri and candidate for doctorate degree
Here's the info from reliable sources that prove that:
 * Milenio: "...candidato a doctor en Economía por la Universidad de Texas"
 * El Informador: "...candidato a doctor en economía por la Universidad de Texas"

I don't know how the UT Austin page works, but reliable sources are reliable sources. (WP:VNT and WP:RS) ComputerJA (talk) 03:38, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

As respectable and reliable Milenio and El informador might be, the ultimate information is that of the University of Texas at Austin where Mr. Quadri was a student. A query of Quadri de la Torre in the degree verification system of the Office of Registrar at the University of Texas http://registrar.utexas.edu/students/degrees/verify shows that he enrolled in Fall 1980, left in Spring 1982 and was awarded the degree of Master in Arts (major Economics) on December 19 1981. The University does not conferred half degrees such as semi Bachelor, semi Doctor. Mr. Quadri has not been enrolled at UT-Austin in 30 years and thus, it is utterly false that he is currently a Doctoral Candidate. I will inform the Office of Registrar of the University of Texas at Austin that this sort of claims are being made, whether intentional or not, about a political figure. The honest thing to do is to state that Mr. Quadri undertook Graduate Studies at the University of Texas at Austin and that he was conferred the degree of Master in Arts with a major in Economics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indydiaz (talk • contribs) 05:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for consulting the talk page. I checked the page you gave, and yes, it says that Quadri was enrolled in Fall '80, left in Spring '82 and was awarded the degree of Master in Arts in Econ in '81. But I'm not sure if "Doctoral candidates" are supposed to be listed there. As far as I know, the webpage is solely to verify that students have attained a degree, not that they're candidates for one or looking to be enrolled. I'm currently in Austin, TX at this very moment, but I'm leaving tomorrow at noon. If you can get some more information from UT that would be amazing. Preferably an online source or an e-mail from them. Thank you so much! ComputerJA (talk) 05:58, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Candidacy is not a permanent status. According the rules of the School of Economics, and these are current, I imagine 30 years ago there were different rules, candicady is not automatically renewed and depends upon progress towards dissertation. Here is the excerpt from http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/economics/Graduate-Programs/Ph.D-

Admission to Candidacy Every student seeking a Doctor of Philosophy degree must be admitted to candidacy by the Dean of Graduate Studies. A doctoral student is eligible to apply for admission to candidacy once he or she has met the following conditions: •1. Satisfied the core courses requirement, •2. Passed both the microeconomics and macroeconomics comprehensive exams, and •3. Passed the second year paper requirement. •4. Satisfied the workshop presentation requirement Admission to candidacy further requires a grade point average of 3.3 or higher on all courses included in the program of work taken on this campus. All courses in a student's required program of work must be taken on a letter grade basis (not Credit/No Credit). "Conference" or "research" courses numbered 380 will not normally be allowed to satisfy a requirement for admission to candidacy. Only under unusual circumstances may this rule be eased. In such cases, the student must demonstrate in advance, with a written course plan approved by the course professor and the Chair of the Graduate Studies Committee, that the proposed 380 course is fully equivalent to an organized course in the field. Additionally, the candidate must have a prospective dissertation topic and a supervising committee composed of a chairperson(s) and at least four other members, both of which are subject to the approval of the Graduate Advisor and the Dean of Graduate Studies. In applying for candidacy, the doctoral student must prepare a Program of Work in consultation with the prospective supervising professor and probable members of the supervisory committee (and with the advice of the Graduate Advisor), subject to the approval of the Chair of the Graduate Studies Committee. This Program of Work for the Doctor of Philosophy degree indicates the pertinent details of the student's record, both past and prospective. It lists courses in the required core; it lists courses, past and prospective, in the elective and/or major fields of specialization; and it lists the supporting work courses. The total Program of Work must include at least twenty-four semester hours of approved work completed on this campus. The student should apply for candidacy as soon as the above conditions are met, to allow the supervising committee time to guide the remaining work on the degree, including coursework. In normal cases, this should be by the end of the third year. In each semester following the student's third year, the student's progress toward completing the dissertation will be assessed by the Chair of the Graduate Studies Committee, in consultation with the chair of the student's supervising committee. The assessment will take the form of a one or two page written progress report over the previous report by the student, signed by the supervisor with any comments he/she sees fit to add. After three years, renewal of candidacy is not automatic and depends on satisfactory progress toward completion. 9. Completion of Dissertation and Oral Defense

Let's assume that Mr. Quadry at some point passed all his prelims, discussed a topic of dissertation with someone who agreed to be his advisor and was admited as a docotral candidate in the school of Graduate studies. Then for 30 years he has been making progress in his thesis problem and reported that to his graduate committee (by now must likely disbanded since advisers retire too) who is still patiently  awaiting for the completion of such monumental body of work. That is very absurd! On the other hand, there are time limits to complete one's doctoral dissertation as well and one has to be enrolled as a student and take dissertation hrs, but Mr. Quadri has not been to UT in 30 years! Even leaves of absence from the University do not alter those limits; here are some excerpts,

http://registrar.utexas.edu/catalogs/grad09-11/ch03/grad09.ch03a.html#leave-of-absence

Leave of Absence

Graduate students may apply for a leave of absence of no more than two semesters. Requests for a leave of absence must be approved in advance by the graduate adviser and the graduate dean. Applications from students who have been admitted to candidacy will be approved by the graduate dean only in rare and unusual circumstances.

and from

http://registrar.utexas.edu/catalogs/grad09-11/ch03/grad09.ch03b.html

Review of Progress

The Graduate Studies Committee reviews the progress of students who have not completed the doctoral degree by the end of three years from admission to candidacy; the committee reviews each student’s progress annually thereafter. The committee may recommend that the student take additional courses or examinations or that the candidacy be terminated. Since annual reviews must be made after the first review, the committee will recommend extensions of only one or two semesters. Recommendations are forwarded to the graduate dean for approval.

Again, candidacy is not an academic degree nor a title, it only indicates that one has accredited the requirements and one is ready to work on a dissertation problem; candidacy status depends of dissertation progress and is nor automatically renewed; there are fixed terms to completion of thesis. I would like to add that graduate courses for doctoral students are the same as for master students, it is only in the type of research work that a PhD degree and a Master degree differ (Ph.D. requires original  quality research that goes in great depth). So Mr. Quadri's taking doctoral studies part does not fly either.

One last comment with regards to your sources, i don't have to mention how many times periodicals (even the Independent and the NY Times) publish false information. I am not saying that those Mexican newspapers have shady reputation, but simply that their information is not completely true in this case. They did not find it worth their while to check all the details.

Hopefully this ends for good all claims to Mr. Quadri's current doctoral candidacy. As to whether he was ever a candidate, you can probably check by calling the School of Graduate Studies at UT-Austin.

indydiaz -

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