Talk:Gabriele von Lutzau

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A fair chunk of the material in this article came from the German Wikipedia (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_von_Lutzau). However, other sources were used and the text was changed quite a bit, so I have not included the "translated page" template. Herostratus (talk) 16:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but "heroine" as a profession, in the lead? Can you please explain? Drmies (talk) 00:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Heroine. It's not a profession, it's a Description. Herostratus (talk) 03:28, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not about to mess with a nice DYK article, but I have serious doubts about the encyclopedic quality of that appellation. Drmies (talk) 15:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Um OK. But she was held up as a heroine all over the German press; she was called the "Angle of Mogadishu"; she received the Federal Cross of Merit. "Heroine" is a real word with a real meaning, and if von Lutzau doesn't meet that standard I don't know who does. Herostratus (talk) 16:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Fiance
His first name is not Rüd_i_ger, but Rüd_e_ger, a modification. Regards, 212.23.103.71 (talk) 17:03, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

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Heroine?
I mean this is discussed above, but there is some contention about whether von Lutzau is best described in the lede as a "heroine" or "former flight attendant"? Let's discuss this before changing it again, please, thanks. Here's some questions that I think ought to be addressed before we agree to make this change:


 * 1) Is "heroine" a real word? Does it have a more or less established meaning? If it is a real word, is it an English word? Would it be found in a typical comprehensive English dictionary, or not? Is it a word that the typical reader would know?
 * 2) Is Gabriele von Lutzau a heroine, or not? More importantly, are there multiple reliable, notable, and unbiased sources describing her as a heroine?
 * 3) Whether or not she is a heroine, is Gabriele von Lutzau best known and best described as a former flight attendant or as a heroine? Is her notability, and thus the reason we have this article, most based on her former profession -- did she, for example, achieve most notability in the press by being a pioneering flight attendant in some category (first female flight attendant, first flight attendant in Germany, or something like that) or being noted as having the longest flight attendant career, or having flown the most kilometers, or having won flight attendant awards, or something of that nature? Or not?
 * 4) Does a subject's job or profession -- they way they earn their living -- trump other considerations, for descriptive purposes? For instance, should Wallace Stevens be first introduced to the reader as an American modernist poet, or as an American insurance executive?
 * 5) If "heroine" is fitting, should it be "hero" instead? How much weight should be given to which term is used most in sources?

I'd like to some some discussion of these question before reverting, please. Herostratus (talk) 11:41, 1 July 2018 (UTC)