Talk:Gac

Flavor
What is the flavor of this fruit? Badagnani 18:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's very bland, a bit salty, a bit sweet. Very gut-like texture. --79.65.93.229 08:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I have heard conflicting pronunciations for "gac", none of which I can verify as reliable. The article currently lists the pronunciation as "/ˈgæk/", though I have also heard it said "/ˈgɒk/". Can anyone verify the correct pronunciation? — Poga — (talk) 23:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * is the Vietnamese pronunciation, but I've never heard someone say it in English before, so I have no idea. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 04:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The Southern Vietnamese people who taught me how to say it added a rising tone, and a "swallowed," guttural final consonant that sounds more like a "t" than a "k." Badagnani (talk) 04:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The pronunciation given in the article is "gấc (pronounced [ʒə́k])". This is wrong. The 'g' is hard, as in 'golf'. Thus the pronunciation should be [gə́k] or probably more accurately [ɣə́k]). Does anyone object to me changing the text?

@Minh Nguyễn: I've never heard it in English either. I imagine an English-speaker would say /gæk/ or /gak/.

@Badagnani: Central Vietnamese pronounce (and often mis-spell) a final 't' as 'k' and vice versa, so the pronunciation of the Southerners you report is probably accurate. Lyphatma (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

To pronounce it, say yuck. Then replace the y with a g and raise your tone when saying it. – Captain tenmo (talk, contribs) 03:16, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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Lots of info on gac.
I host a page to sell viable gac seeds for gardners. I did not want to post my link without advise. www.gac-seeds.com Cresard (talk) 02:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

OK no response so I posted this informational link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cresard (talk • contribs) 11:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that the links to the article on Gac by Thuy-Le Vuong were broken, googled up a new one

http://www.biblio.nhat-nam.ru/Gac.pdf

but don't seem to be able to edit the Notes section. Firebug gives a syntax error as well.

Jfmxl (talk) 10:22, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

External Informational link restored.
User PTJoshua has been booted from Wiki for repeated vandalism, I will restore External Link informational link that he deleted if there is no objection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cresard (talk • contribs) 05:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

External Informational link restored.
User PTJoshua has been booted from Wiki for repeated vandalism, I will restore External Link informational link that he deleted if there is no objection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cresard (talk • contribs) 06:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Preliminary research
This edit by does not add encyclopedic content beyond what the article already states. The sources cited are preliminary research, and the content concerning recommended uses of gac waste is speculation and original research; see WP:OR. Because nutrient and phytochemical topics are medical content, WP:MEDRS reviews are needed, but such publications are not available. --Zefr (talk) 05:36, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Not Vietnam, but Tropical and Subtropical Asia, Wallacea and the Australian Continent
This plant did not originate in Vietnam, it is a wild plant from Tropical and Subtropical Asia, Wallacea and the Australian Continent, see POWO in the Taxon Identifiers section. Gấc may be a common name in Vietnam, and it is perhaps used elsewhere, but I see no evidence of that in the references given. I would argue that the plant has very many vernacular names, and that each of these is as important as the other. I would like this page to be renamed to Mormordica cochinchinensis, a world-wide accepted name, not named using a local common name. Countries and regions where this plant is native to are: Assam, Bangladesh, Borneo, China South-Central, China Southeast, East Himalaya, India, Jawa, Laos, Malaya, Maluku, Myanmar, New Guinea, Philippines, Queensland, Sulawesi, Sumatera, Taiwan, Thailand, Tibet, Vietnam

It has been introduced/naturalised to: Andaman Is., Nicobar Is., Trinidad-Tobago. Brunswicknic (talk) 09:47, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 13 March 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:USEENGLISH. (non-admin closure)  Material  Works  ping me! 21:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Gac → Gấc – The name of this plant is spelled with Vietnamese diacritics, and this spelling is used throughout the article. A user who did this move in 2021 self-reverted the move without explanation, preventing me from implementing this change unilaterally. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USEENGLISH. Just looking over the English-language sources in the article, they seem to use the spelling without the diacritic. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support this is not an English word so per WP:USEENGLISH guideline as written, should be consistent with other en.wp article titles. Additionally English languages books with full font sets use the full spelling Glutinous-rice-eating Tradition in Vietnam and Elsewhere 2001 p61, Martha Lincoln Epidemic Politics in Contemporary Vietnam: Public Health p45.. "brand Herbalife is popular, as were “miracle” gấc fruit compounds available through multilevel marketing—suggesting the currency of increasingly globalized, commodified, individualized, and privatized notions of medicine and health." PLUS consistency, en.wp is a full font enable reference sources that gives readers the chance to read "foreign" names in English as they are, to help English readers with pronunciation. The only major exception to this is the Serbian Olympic tennis lady who for 10 years has an anti- her name lobby on her en.wp Talk page. Also having the correct spelling harms no one and helps those with an interest in Vietnam know that the pronunciation of the vowel â makes this [ɣək̚˧˦] with a short ə vowel, -- and not one of the several other Vietnamese words with Gac as base letters gạc [ɣaːk̚˧˨ʔ] (deer antler), or gác [ɣaːk̚˧˦] guard. â and a in Vietnamese are not the same vowel, as it is not the same vowel in Romanian. Additionally en.wp uses 'a with a roof' in French, Portuguese, Turkish, and Welsh words and names. Vietnamese phonology for further info. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:41, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. We edit and write here for the English Wikipedia. Sources and current or future content are written as gac, which should prevail in the article title and content. Zefr (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The question here is "Which spelling is used most often in English text?"  This three-letter word - by itself - is hard to reliably search for, but a Google search intext:"gấc fruit" returns 586 results, whereas intext:"gac fruit" returns 134,000 results.  Similarly, intext:"gấc plant" returns 6 results, whereas intext:"gac plant" returns 2,290 results.  This is clear-cut.  (Of course, the Vietnamese-language spelling "gấc" should be noted in the lead sentence, but changed to "gac" in the rest of the page.) PatricKiwi (talk) 02:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No. We have no need to do that. Titling and text are different issues. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:02, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose per USEENGLISH. "This is not an English word"--then what, exactly, is the English word for it? Red   Slash  19:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per In ictu oculi. And I do see the name of this fruit on the packaging/produce boxes spelling with the diacritics. Wlcidar (talk) 01:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Secondary English sources do not use the diacritic. Andrewa (talk) 16:38, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.