Talk:Gackt/Archive 1

Incomplete or out of date
A lot of this information is incomplete or out of date (such as his birthday, which he has begun to release, etc.) I don't have time to write now, so perhaps someone else could begin updating this info? I'll be back when I have a few more minuites! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.42.160.4 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 28 January 2005 (UTC)

Discography
I will start to work on adding pages for Gackt's albums, as I have done with other singers. Anyone who wants to help out is encouraged to do so. --Beau99 09:53, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Most of the albums are now done, work should start on singles. I have already started if people want to help, they sure can, this is wikipedia. Shindekokoro 18:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Should Gackt's projects with Malice Mizer be represented in the discography for this article? Voyage and Merveilles are in the Albums section, but the Singles section has none of Malice Mizer's work. What should be done about this? --KattBon 02:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

In the Japanese page of Gackt, it said he was born in 1960. This agrees with the video on youtube with the yearbook picture and the years he went to high school. hes 44 years old!


 * please sign your comments. Gackt went to highschool with his bandmate You, who was born in 1973.  Doubtful he's born in 1960, and since he has never officially listed his birthday, that information shouldn't be included unless it has a reliable source. Oncamera 21:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Either way, Gackt hasn't released his birth year officially and on the Japanese version of wikipedia, it says his birth year is 1540. Oncamera 04:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

"Closing" of Tamaly Bar
Also, recent news to Dears members have been made known: Tamaly bar will be closing its doors forever at the end of this year, thus ending Gackt's career as a bar owner.

Can anyone cite a source for this?

If true, it should be better located within the article. --Mankawabi 11:50 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Possibility of preventing access to none members. I have notice that recently this page has been subject to repeated vandalism Shindekokoro 04:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Real name?
Manabu Satoru is what people think Mana's real name is. How could both of them be under assumed names from one identity? It makes no sense. Sounds like crazed fans dabbling in conspiracy theory to me. Sabi saotome 16:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * His real name appears to be 岡部学 Okabe, Satoru.  Other sites say that his surname was changed to Ōshiro (大城) after his parents divorced .  The name "Manabu" seems to be erroneous (the name "学" usually is read "Manabu" or "Gaku" instead of Satoru). Evan1975 06:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither one of those is a reliable source. I'm doubtful there is even a reliable online source for his real name.  on camera (t)  06:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Marriage, Divorce
I heard he had married and divorced a woman in Shiga and had a child by her, but had forced her to keep the whole episode secret during his early rock days. Any news on that?struggle 14:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure about the matter of the child. But if I am not mistaken, Gackt did mentioned about his marriage and divorce to a Korean lady in his autobiography, Jihaku.

Gackt did indeed mention his marriage and divorce to a Korean in Jihaku. According to what he wrote, she had a nervous breakdown from all the fans waiting outside the house, prank phone calls, along with many other factors. From what Gackt stated in his autobiography, the marriage was very short. Ismene 21:59, 22 March 2007

You?
Who is You? Surely not the actress "You"? --203.222.161.178 02:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, this You's a guy. Kyou 05:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Tamaly Bar Closing
The official announcement of Tamaly Bar's closing was made on the official website. However, since it's closed, the site has gone down.

While I'm not sure if there has been an official announcement of Gackt's birthday, it was featured in the opening movie of Gackt Live Tour 2004 THE SIXTH DAY & SEVENTH NIGHT 〜FINAL〜. On the back of what was supposedly Gackt's grave marker, read the dates 1973~2007 under his name. Some fans have fretted and worried that he would quit his musical career at that time, but most think it unlikely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksporkie (talk • contribs) 11:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi
This article started out decently, but now it seems to have been edited by people who have watched too many Gackt videos on YouTube, and now feel that adding bits of "trivia" they learned from said videos will improve this article. It does not.

For example, the majority of readers will not know what "Hey Hey Hey" is, and so it does not help in any way to mention that Gackt wins competitions on the show.

Also, his name is "Gackt M.S. Camui", and not the other way around.

71.2.179.129 05:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Innacuracies Re: Gackt's Childhood
Everything regarding Gackt's supposed institutionaliation and psychic abilities needs to be re-written. This is nothing more than misinterpretation, speculation, and if I may be frank, silly gossip. Jihaku specifically states that his family disregarded his tales of seeing ghosts and occasionally joked about it.

Gackt has never said he was institutionalized. Again, Jihaku explains that he spent a significant amount of time in a children's ward of a hospital for a physical ailment, not for something sociological. Refer to Gerald Tarrant's complete translation for proof.

I've been meaning to rewrite this myself for some a while now but haven't had the time. Perhaps I'll be able to do so before someone else notices this.

LauraOrganaSolo 20:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and removed some of it, as it could be damaging without references. The nonharmful stuff I just tagged with the fact tag. here's the diff RN 08:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * One more (slightly unrelated) thing - I removed the birthdate stuff. There's a lot of rumors surrounding these and there probably needs to be a hard source. RN 08:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No, really, I PROMISE there are legitimate sources that state his date of birth as being in 1973: his 2004 tour. A scene showed his date of birth as being July 4, 1973. I don't know how to prove it to you besides linking to screen captures. LauraOrganaSolo 02:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Malice Mizer
The paragraph about Malice Mizer is absolutely terrible. It tells us nothing about when he joined the band, and what is fanservice when it's at home? Serious editions needed here.


 * I agree. More specifically, while the beginning of the section delves into details that have nothing to do with Malice Mizer, the rest of the section seems laden with subjective information where there is room for more verifiable facts.  For instance, I can't be quite sure that Gackt's musical style at the time he was in Malice Mizer was much darker than it is "now" if we're not quite sure when "now" is.  If I have time later, I'll try to fix all of this.  KattBon 02:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Clean it up
This article is riddled with spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors, which is pretty terrible. These ought to be cleaned up. I'll do it later if nobody wants to take this up.

KattBon 16:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I have made a small amount of progress on those issues this evening.

LauraOrganaSolo 04:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Pick one: Camui or Kamui
Can we please be consistent throughout the article? Which should we stick with? KattBon 02:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Camui seems more universal based on a quick search. Let's go with that, shall we? -- Mik 03:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought so. Sounds good to me. --KattBon 16:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Overhaul for Accuracy
I've been wanting to do this for about ten months. I made a few corrections here and there but they have been erroded over time by yet more unsubstantiated rumors.

The next person that inserts something about Gackt having been sent to a mental hospital for some reason... well... I will be very angry at you.

There is absolutely NO PROOF to this rumor. Gackt is a big weirdo, no doubt about that, but he has stated since his time with Malice Mizer that he was sick as a child and is still plagued with physical ailments (there has been mention of several extended hospitals in his blog on Dears, the radio show he hosted for two years, Furachi; photos surface every year after each tour of Gackt unconscious and being hauled around by security between songs and after shows). Although his autobiography does go into some detail about his troubling experiences in a hospital for some unknown period of time, he states he was admitted to a pediatric ward for a gastrointestinal problem, NOT because his family thought he was crazy.

Secondly: gay fanservice is irrelevent. There hasn't been any notable "homoerotic play" since the last time he performed "Speed Master"' on his 2003 tour. He gave Chachamaru a pretty affectionate hug during the Sixth Day, Seventh Night performance of "Vanilla" but I don't think that's worth noting in what is supposed to be an objective article. No matter how sexy you think it is, it has nothing to do with his artistic career.

Perhaps someday someone will write up a more detailed account of his career and his live shows and then it might be worth noting. Because of how sparse this entry is, however, let it rest. Again, he hasn't done it since 2003, it's old hat.

Speaking of more detailed accounts, someone needs to write just that so that his music career can be sectioned off. As it currently stands, the Solo Career section is several paragraphs of history (which is fine) and one very well-written and satisfactorially objective dissertation on how pigeon-holing Gackt as mere pop is inaccurate due to how wide his musical repetoire is. And no, I'm not praising it because I wrote it (I wish I could say I did!) but because it NEEDS to STAY in this entry... it just needs some kind of sequitor following the history tidbits or to go into its own section about his music.

I really wish I could do all this myself but as you can see from my pathetic attempts to correctly reference sources, I am a big stupid newb to Wikipedia's formatting system. I will try to contine my work at editing and adding to this some time when it's not 12am but hopefully someone more experienced than I am can pitch in. Thank you. LauraOrganaSolo 05:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S. If someone could tell me if screen captures are valid media to prove something, I'd appreciate it. I have images from the 2004 tour (e.g. this) showing Gackt's date of birth but I don't want to just to post it on the entry somewhere because it looks like it would make for a tacky reference/source thingy. LauraOrganaSolo 05:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Gackt Discography
Since Gackt has released many albums, singles, videos, and DVDs, I thought it would make this page look tidier to move it to its own article, Gackt Discography. Oncamera 16:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Gaming history
I've cleaned up and updated some of the info regarding his involvement in Dirge of Cerberus. What was there previously made little sense, imo, and wasn't clear about which game it was talking about and where. I also removed the part about 'Gackt 2' seeing as how it isn't cited and I've never even heard that as a rumor before. It isn't nesessary to the information present anyway.


 * Me again. About the Gackt modeling himself after video game characters, I took that out due to it being purely conjecture. Gackt wore the jacket similar to Squall during or before the 'Ville de Merveille' tour with malice mizer 1998.  ff8 came out sometime in 1999.  The thing about the coat in Mizerable doesn't have nearly enough support to back that up. It's more than likely a coincidence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tsukiakari (talk • contribs) 00:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Deleting useful links - vandalism?!
User:Oncamera is being deleting links to unofficilal sites. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.186.248.7 (talk) 18:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Wikipedia is not meant to be used to list every site in the world that has to do with Gackt. See WP:EL for what should be and should not be linked on wikipedia.  Fanlistings, unofficial fanclubs and whatever else, should not be linked since they are mainly intended to promote the website and do not provide any useful information.  Also, most of the fansites you want to include have not been updated in a long time.  Oncamera 18:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely unreasonable lines. Every link to working Gackt fansite can be placed to this wiki article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.186.248.7 (talk)


 * Please read WP:EL before posting again. Most sites about Gackt are not meritable and external links should be kept to a minimal. Oncamera 18:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Please don't delete useful links or I have to report you to wiki admins as a vandalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.186.248.80 (talk)


 * You are the one that is consistently neglecting to read Wikipedia's policy on external links. If you continue to add these links, they will continue to be removed, as they do not comply with said policy. Wikipedia is not a database of links, and while those links may be useful, a simple Google search would prove just as useful to any fans who wish to find such sites. Nique1287 10:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

First you need to prove the links aren't useful. Second read WP:EL before trying to make scandal again ;) If you continue to remove these links, they will continue to be added :) Or delete ALL fansites from the links section :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.186.248.119 (talk) 19:57, January 10, 2007


 * Please re-read everything Nique1287 posted and understand that Wikipedia is not a database of links. Oncamera 02:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I never said they weren't useful, I said that they don't belong here. Again, just because a site could be useful doesn't make it a good site to link to by default. Those sites, as has been mentioned before, are updated VERY infrequently, which is a bad thing for a Wikipedia external link, among other negatives that make them unsuitable for linkage from Wikipedia. Those sites, and I'm sure sites that could be even more useful to fans, are so easily available by a simple Google search. If a fan really wants resources, it's not a great leap to get to the conclusion to search for them on a search engine like Google. As such, those links will continue to be deleted, as they do not comply with Wikipedia policy for links, and your addition of them turns Wikipedia into something it is not. (Also, we're not just linking these policies for our health. READ them, UNDERSTAND them, and realize that these fansites are unacceptable under those policies.) Nique1287 02:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

read WP:EL before trying to make scandal again ;) If you continue to remove these links, they will continue to be added :) Or delete ALL fansites from the links section :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.186.248.73 (talk)


 * I think we should declare this 'discussion' over, since the links do not comply with policy, and this editor refuses to comply with those policies. In all seriousness, it looks like you're just being childish, and you're definitely being foolish by refusing to so much as read the policies we are trying to follow in this discussion, especially when you then throw them back in our faces without saying WHY the policies say that the links should be there. Unless you can tell us where, in Wikipedia policy, it says that EVERY fansite ever made about a subject HAS to be linked to, the links will be considered vandalism from this point, by myself if not the other editors who have to deal with your unfounded argumentativeness regarding the links. Nique1287 03:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed for every reason stated. Oncamera 04:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

read WP:EL before trying to make scandal again ;) If you continue to remove these links, they will continue to be added :) Or delete ALL fansites from the links section :) People, are you going to be banned for scandals and vandalism? :)

1973 Year of Birth - source?
This article has always speculated that Gackt was born in 1973. What is the source of this speculation? It's not mentioned in the J-wiki page, which only includes his "claimed" birthyear from the 16th century. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 03:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * During the tour and on the DVD for Sixth Day and Seventh Night, he had a tombstone with his name on it that said, "Gackt, 1973 ~ 2007." Oncamera 04:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I would upload this directly to Wikipedia and link to it in the article or something but then I think people would just say it was a fake or fan-made or something. This is from video footage from Gackt's 2004 The Sixth Day and Seventh Night tour. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LauraOrganaSolo (talk • contribs) 17:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

1973
[The end.] This is from video footage that was played during Gackt's 2004 tour, The Sixth Day & Seventh Night. If you think I'm making it up, buy the DVD or at least download the video (it's not on YouTube that I can find). Gackt has also referenced it in his fanclub-only blog. You shouldn't be messing up this entry and making changes if you don't know your stuff.

SO STOP EDITING THE PAGE.

If you can come up with a legitimate reason as to why 1973 wouldn't be his year of birth, I will concede. But I don't see why Gackt would allow someone to just pick a year out of a hat and have that displayed.

Love, LauraOrganaSolo 18:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The thing is, I'm not sure if that DVD is a reliable source or if "assuming" the date on it was actually his birthyear is good practice. Who knows, Gackt could have picked a different year than his own just to keep it private. I thought about it before, and leaving it as "year unknown" is what I think it should be left as until there's an official public announcement (if ever) from Dears/Gackt.  on  camera (t)  18:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Gackt 'has' mentioned his real age in his blog entries. Plus it's not like this is the first time an artist's fanclub hasn't officially corroborated real information regarding an artist but that information is accepted thanks to outside sources. For example, Sony and Le Ciel have never officially stated Hyde's real name or year of birth but it is commonly accepted that it 'is' Takarai Hideto. IMDB has it listed as much and I was under the impression they are pretty strict about content. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LauraOrganaSolo (talk • contribs) 15:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
 * If his birthyear was public knowledge, Gackt would have it listed instead of that weird 1540 year (there's a template at the top of that page that says not to post information about his birthyear because of privacy reasons, or something along those lines). Still, there isn't an official public posting of Gackt's birth year from Dears/Gackt, so leaving it as unknown is still best, I think.  on  camera (t)  15:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * His real name and date of birth are in imdb.com. Or is that not a 'good enough source'? Look it up: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1374680/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.94.171.101 (talk) 07:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC).


 * IMDB is user-edited, and not official. In this case, no, it is not a good enough source. Also, IMDB won't let the Year field be blank. Someone probably just picked a random year that might or might not fit, and added it. Nique talk 14:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I’m adding a footnote about the above ”1973~2007” and also his Norway 1540 story, as I see no reason none of this information should be on the page!!!Bossk-Office 19:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, turns out evidently there is consensus among like four people that Gackt has little creative control over the content of his concerts (never mind the fact that he foots at least a portion of the bill for them -- I'll get the ACTUAL NEWS ARTICLE for you skeptics when I have more time) and anything stated therein is false.


 * And evidently Jihaku is not a valid source either because everything Gackt says has to be taken with a grain of salt because he exaggerates all over the place. MY BAD, I guess I'm just a big gullible retard. LauraOrganaSolo 16:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Just look up that article and in the meantime try to keep your cool and remain civil. No reason to get that worked up about a Wikipedia content dispute. - Cyrus XIII 16:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Lots of unconfirmed stuff in this article
If the birthdate won't be acknowledged, maybe you should take a look at the real bullcrap in this article: "At the age of ten, Gackt was hospitalized with a gastrointestinal condition and had to remain at the hospital for a prolonged time. He made the acquaintance of several terminally ill children, of which some died during his stay." <- It is no secret that Gackt's biography Jihaku isn't exactly 100% truth.. I'd leave these kind of stories that have absolutely no proper source to back it up out of the article. Thanks - and put the birthyear in there too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.251.254.34 (talk)


 * Jihaku's a better source than none at all. And I haven't heard anything about it being untrue, though with the whole trying to keep his past and personal life a secret thing, it wouldn't be that surprising. But the thing is, the birth year of 1973, or 1971, or whatever you want to say it is, is no more likely to be true than anything in Jihaku, by your reckoning. (Also, please sign your talk page entries.) Nique talk 17:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Jihaku is an autobiography, which is mentioned by the article, so readers will take information referenced through it with a grain of salt. Same goes for 1973 as the year of birth, for which I have now expanded the respective footnote. I will agree, that this tombstone displayed during the 2004 tour, is quite an unusual reference, but also no less a piece of information authorized by the artist in question, which makes it no more or less viable than the content of his autobiography.
 * Some information that keeps being put back into the article on the other hand, remains unreferenced, which is unacceptable in regard of WP:BLP. The point of putting an extra emphasis on verifiability when it comes to biographies of living people is, that potential misinformation on Wikipedia may negatively affect those people's actual life. As such, uncited information that might let an article's subject appear, lets say, overly eccentric is to be avoided. Hence both, Gackt's supposed effort of keeping a fairly common bit of biographical data a secret, as well as the outlandish Norwegian vampire statement have no place in the article without citations. Also, I have yet to see any reliable source that either says he was not born in 1973, or in a different year, establishing that there is a genuine controversy on the topic, not just some disagreement between fans or Wikipedia editors. - Cyrus XIII 22:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * In regards to his birthyear and this concert DVD, why not mentioned he is supposed to die in the year 2007 if we are to also use the 1973 birthyear? It just seems nothing more than a concert prop, if anything at all. If this was a public release by Gackt of his true birthyear, why isn't it on his official website?  I doubt it should be considered a reliable source and year unknown is far better than using dubious "information."   on  camera (t)  23:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As Oncamera pointed out, it's not an official thing, he hasn't made any move to confirm that it is his birth date, and just because there's no more-official source does not make it correct, nor well-sourced. Also, better to say "year unknown" and mention the possibilities floating around than to let people believe, unconditionally, something based on a stage decoration. At least an autobiography is by the celebrity, making it an official statement, even if it is not true. Nique talk 01:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

This whole notion of the concert prop not being reliable enough appears to be based purely on the preconception that the artist has made a thorough effort to keep this information secret. Again, where are the sources for this alleged secrecy? The omission of the year on a website hardly qualifies as thorough and you may disagree with previous editors or me all you want, you still don't get to re-insert this sort of allegation (along with the strange vampire statement) into a BLP without proper citations. - Cyrus XIII 01:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * While YouTube links can't be used as sources, this is Gackt stating clearly (around 1:20) that he was turning 461 that year (2001). Also, not that non-English Wikipedia articles should be used as sources, but Gackt lists 1540, and says nothing about 1973, nor indeed any year in the 1970s decade. Just pointing it out. Nique talk 02:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As a slight aside, how is it uncited to say that the year is unknown, precisely? At least it's not misleading the reader by stating information that claims to be 100% true when its validity is in question. Nique talk 23:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It does not claim to be "true", no information on Wikipedia does. Verifiability is not about truth but about references. The current footnote informs readers in sufficient detail of how the information presented to them was acquired, just like it is the case with aforementioned autobiography. Reliable sources that either mention a different year, or make the current one appear entirely improbable have yet to surface, hence we do not have to resort to entirely unencyclopedic means of presentation, such as "unknown" and "????". This undue air of mystery, to which ja:Gackt regrettably pertains clearly belongs into the realm of fansites. - Cyrus XIII 23:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * An ignorant reader, like (regrettably) a fangirl/fanboy, could come along and read "1973" in big bold letters and believe it, unconditionally, when its actual validity is suspect. Aside from verifiability, Wikipedia strives for accuracy, as per the first pillar. Perhaps "year unknown" is mysterious, but I do not agree that, in this case, any source for poor information (i.e. the year sourced by a prop) is better than no source for fairly widely recognized information (i.e. saying, quite honestly, that we don't know his year of birth due to lack of official information about it). Nique talk 23:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Ignorant readers should not be our concern. People who come to Wikipedia and expect the Golden Truth handed down to mankind by the Gods have yet to understand the concept and the trappings of a user-edited encyclopedia. These people will take the material backed up by the autobiography for granted as well, just like they would have accepted all the uncited stuff that used to be there until about a week ago.

Again, I have to stress that your skepticism towards the source at hand appears to be primarily based on preconceptions about the artist. Has it never occurred to you that the use of this stage prop alone severely undermines the notion, that he actively strives to keep his year of birth a secret? - Cyrus XIII 00:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Has it never occurred to you that Gackt may not have final say in every prop on his stage during performances? Someone may well have taken an approximate year and slapped it on. As has been pointed out above, it may even have been chosen to distract people from the real birth date.


 * In either case, I'm tired, and probably letting my emotions affect my responses at this point in the discussion, and I'm sick of arguing these stupid, pedantic little things to death at every turn as though they really matter in the larger picture. While I still am not convinced, at all, that we should list 1973 as the birth year, and at this point I would continue to revert to the Year Unknown version were the article not protected on the one it is, the discussion is getting ridiculous at this point, and with no consensus possible with just two stubborn people, I leave the floor open to others so that one can be built. Nique talk 01:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that a statement made by Gackt himself in a TV program is more reliable as compared to a stage prop. According to WP:BLP, a subject's self-published material can only be used as a source if "there is no reasonable doubt as to who wrote it." I'm not sure if that's applicable to a stage prop, but I do think this condition is important with regard to the subject at hand. I mean, even though he authorized it, we have no way of telling whether or not he was the one who insisted that 1973 should be placed there as his year of birth. I'm not saying that we should actually take his claim to be turning 461 in 2001 as a fact, but rather as an indication that he is withholding his true year of birth. I think that it is difficult to present 1973 as a verified fact when Gackt himself has not openly confirmed that that is his correct birthyear, especially since he has made other statements about his age. Silentaria 04:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, so this ridiculous discussion has basically established two things:


 * 1. Most of the things Gackt says are exaggerations or half-truths (re: Jihaku)
 * 2. Gackt has limited creative control over his own concerts, |in spite of how much they cost him personally to put on. Oh wait, you probably don't consider that to be a reliable source, huh.
 * 3. Gackt's 1540-something birth date and the 1973 birth date should not be on the main page (even though he mentioned how old he was in a certain year on Furachi and in his Dears-only blog, but I can't back that up with proof because I couldn't save the Furachi shows and my access to Dears-only stuff is limited so I can understand that not counting for anything). I can accept that. But it should be a footnote.


 * I'll save my questions for a new thread. LauraOrganaSolo 17:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Article protected
I've protected this article per request at WP:RFPP and WP:BLP concerns. Please submit a request for unprotection when/if these problems have been discussed and solved at this Talk page. Thank you,  P h a e d r i e l  - 17:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Age
The tombstone date that supposidly had Gackts birth year on it may not be true. Gackt did a picture where he had wings, but that doesn't mean he really has them! Please take the year off, if possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by W-inds.ryuichi (talk • contribs) 21:12, 3 June 2007
 * I too am concerned with using a concert stage prop as a "verified" and reliable source for his birthyear. I do feel that using "year unknown" is a better choice then "spreading" information that is shaky.  Find another reliable source for his birthyear please, otherwise I don't see how this can be allowed.  on  camera (t)  19:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It could have been a random year by a stagehand, it could have been deliberate confusion, it's just not a reliable source.--Prosfilaes 21:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like most of us agree that a stageprop isn't a reliable source. I'll be restoring the old "year unknown" version of the article now, but I will be modifying the footnote as his supposed claim to be a vampire born in Norway has yet to be cited. Silentaria 05:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism again: Nique1287 deleted a descussion thread
Again, useful informational links were deleted by users Nique1287 and Oncamera. Wiki admins, please pay attention to these users. Maybe these users are interested in advertising their own sourses, because they always leave the same links (including fansites and rarerly updated pages) deleting others. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.186.248.6 (talk) 03:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Erm, pardon me, but you are the one that is continually adding links that are BADLY out of date, as well as removing a notice about fansites. We simply revert the changes back to the GOOD, established links previously on the page. We have given you, time and time again, the precise reasons why your links do not belong on the page. You have given us NO reason why they SHOULD be on the page beyond an outright defiance of Wikipedia policy on links. The addition of your links continues to be considered vandalism by myself and other editors of the page, because of your continued defiance of policy. Please cease this nonsense now. Thank you. Nique1287 03:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)