Talk:Gaia Online/Archive 3

Gold value
Gaia gold has no "lost value" people simply want old items and sealed letters more and there is a limited supply, if anything is going to be mentioned, it should be that many "gaia items" are becoming increasingly rarer. Statements like "Gaia gold is losing value" need to be backed up with sources, becuase otherwise they can be seen as the biased statements of anti-inflationists. 67.185.242.59 15:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, for awhile it was going down, but I only have my own eyes as evidence, and some articles on gaiacast (which doesn't have fact checkers, thus isn't sourceable). It's been less pronounced recently as they cut down on the farming bots. Spriteless 14:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Things like this could be track able and cite able later on with the new marketplace at hand. Graphing of inflation rates is now possible.Pritchard 07:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

this is very untrue gold value isnt going down most people are wanting old letters and collectables so they can sell them and have gold. im a known exchanger when i first started i wanted the items for looks not value —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.166.11 (talk) 18:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

No, the value of a single "gold" is decreasing. Even now with gaia trying to have a letter equal to 15k, the price of the current sealeds are increasing. This effect may be not as noticable as the increasing demand for '03s. 67.185.242.59 (talk) 15:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I do agree that Gaia gold is losing value, mostly because of the Cash Shop and the Cash Cards you gan buy in the store now. However, the value of sealeds has nothing to do with that.  Sealeds are more expensive than they used to be, once again, because of the Cash Shop.  With the evolution items costing sometimes $10, or the price of four sealeds, much less sealeds are being purchased.  Thus, their is a smaller supply and the price rises. Alphabet55 (talk) 04:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Sections to be included.
Okay. So a lot of sections keep getting added and removed, sometimes by vandals, other times, not. I'd just like to have editors come to a consensus on some of these.
 * Gaia gold : I think this should be included, because it is one of the features on the site that makes it notable; to my knowledge, not many other forums sites have this feature of gameplay, so I'd say it's pretty important. It's also pretty important not to ramble about all the ways to get it. I think a short section on it should suffice.
 * Avatar system: Ditto the above. I'm surprised that this hasn't been created yet. It'd be nice if we could get an image of an avatar in the article to help readers understand.
 * Quest system: Not really a notable part of Gaia, in my opinion. It isn't really that big, yet, and is I think it'd be a little crufty to mention it.
 * Profile system: this, I think, should definitely be added, but I'm not sure exactly what it would include. Anyone have any ideas? DroEsperanto 19:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sure the Quest system will be expanded soon...because they said they would...not that any of us believe them or anything.


 * Ahem...anyways. I completely agree with you on all fronts. I didn't notice that the avatar system wasn't concluded...which makes no sense.


 * For the profile system, there could be a comparison between the old system and the new one? Also, an indepth description of the different parts? (wishlist, comments, multimedia, ect.)Silver seren 14:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I think most of those things would be best briefly mentioned in the whole of the section, but not in detail by themselves. It's important to remember that we're not writing this for users of Gaia Online, but for people who have never used it before. Will they really want to read a detailed account of what exactly a Gaia profile entails? You and I might, but most other people probably wouldn't. I think that's the key thing to remember while contributing to this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DroEsperanto (talk • contribs) 16:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC).


 * There are actually hundreds of sites out there with gold systems, Gaia is just the biggest. So there's no need for a whole section on the gold. Honestly the whole article seems to have too many sections, they should be combined, MAYBE with some sub-sections. JBartus 12:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Controversy
There should be a section about all the controversy generated by Gaia Online. For example their severe attitude on ban, the way it helps pedophile, etc. I can help if needed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.83.212.100 (talk) 19:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Thank you for your contribution! Yes, many users have tried to add criticism/controversy sections, and none of them have succeeded in doing it in a way that is appropriate for Wikipedia. Wikipedia has a policy of verifiability, wherein all ideas proposed must be able to be backed up by a reputable source. As of yet, no reputable sources have been found to report on the controversies created by Gaia Online other than user-testimonies, which are not reputable sources. Without any kind of verification for these ideas, they become Original Research, or personal ideas of editors that are expressed in the article. This, too, is not allowed on Wikipedia. So until we can find independent sources that discuss these controversies and criticisms that we can cite, having such a section is unfeasible for this article. However, if you can find some good ones, be sure to tell us about them! Thanks again for your ideas and contributions! – DroEsperanto 22:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that. Its nigh impossible.Silver seren 00:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. I've had a hard time of finding any sources other than administrator posts (which are tricky to cite as sources, since they're forum posts) and Gaia Online info pages (like "What is Gaia Gold?" or "Monthly Collectibles"). – Dok(talk 01:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe a website of some sort made very interesting points. They seem to have solid points as well as analysis. May I add?


 * Can you tell us the website?Silver seren 14:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh I think we all know what he means. 204.49.209.155 13:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hold on a second. How does Gaia help pedophiles beyond simply being an online chatting site?--Can Not 20:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Please let's not get into that here. Talk pages aren't for discussing the topic of article, but rather the article itself. – DroEsperanto(talk 20:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't find that information verifiable or relevant to the article. Although forum posts are the only sources they have, posting them here would help some of us determine what or how he's trying to express this. When we have a better understanding of this, a "better" source might be more easily found.--Can Not 11:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

On Plot
Should more be added to the plot section? From my point of view, it doesn't really explain much about Gaia's plotline for informational purposes. I don't believe that a little over two lines of real plot description is enough for a site like Gaia. Your opinion?Silver seren 19:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The last few times it was expanded, it quickly got filled with information that was neither interesting nor helpful to someone new to Gaia, and numerous fan theories, and just generally looked bad. And wasn't as good as the plot threads already on Gaia.
 * We can't cite forum posts as sources anyways, since Wikipaedia doesn't consider them reliable. That's a big problem with lots of this article; most of the documentation on Gaia takes the form of posts on Gaia, down to and including developer's journals. If you can add something, and cite the source, then I will love you.Spriteless 12:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll look, but i'm not promising anything.Silver seren 21:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

My two cents is that in the way you said they have an attitude when it comes to banning that word, your controversy part of the gaiaonline.com article on wikipedia would be biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.120.134 (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The Semicolon Edit War (of like 2 edits)
Huh, semicolons are used for that, but why would "credit card, paypal, or regular mail" be a seperate list from "over the phone, or by text message?" I don't see what the difference between the 2 sets is, and the structure looks kind of cumbersome to me.Spriteless 12:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with your edit. Roddyboy 05:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Me as well. Silver seren 18:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to come back and complain that the article is still written awkwardly/poorly and it seems as if some of the clarifications I made were reversed. It's fine if it is felt I did not improve the problem, but you'd think *somebody* would want to make the effort to make the article more professional and readable as opposed to just undoing the work of someone else who made that attempt. Perhaps it's fitting that the article looks as if it were written by a particularly wordy 14 year old. Whitetrashpalace 16:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Edited article for awkward format/sentence structure. Didn't feel it merited a new section on the discussion page.Whitetrashpalace 16:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC) (The Iconoclast)

Notability
Who ever had put up the notice that this article did not satisfy notability, I took it down. Next time be sure to note something on the talk page. Anyway, it follows in the vein of web content, so there shouldn't be an issue. --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits) 15:28, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Very well, I (although not the guy who put it up originally) replaced the notability tag. This article lacks any reliable sources and I propose to nominate this for deletion at the end of the week if none turn up. Just to (hopefully) save a lot of time, Reliable Sources are NOT search engine results, blogs, forums, message boards, unofficial fan sites, official fan sites, the official game sites or any of their affiliates, interviews, listings on web download directories such as Tucows or MPOGD, news article that are just a re-print of a press release and probably a couple of other types that elude me now. DarkSaber2k 11:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Neopets got some publicity due to it's being one of the first sites to be so popular, and for it's blatant product placement/brainwashing tactics. I have newspaper clippings of it. The only paper information on Gaia I've ever seen is a couple of comic book ads. Gaia handles most public announcements personally, so there wouldn't be any press releases anyways. I know Big Boards says Gaia is the largest English language forum on the web, if that asserts notability. But asides from that, Gaia is neither different enough from alot of similar sites (paper dollz and forums are common; virtual economy articles focus on WOW or Everquest), nor controversial enough to warrent an article from anyone who wants to sell papers.
 * So, unless big boards counts, the article is DOOMED!Spriteless 12:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Message boards and forums are not considered reliable enough to be used as assertions of notability. WP:BIGNUMBER is a good essay that explains why relying on numbers alone to assert notability isn't really a good idea. DarkSaber2k 12:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, big numbers apparently count for nothing, in this case we are talking:
 * * 300,000 log in daily,
 * * 2 million users overall
 * * Edit: Correction, the company raised nearly $9 million last.
 * Means nothing. Bjrobinson 16:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Not according to WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS or WP:WEB. But the fact that there are independent articles about those facts is perfectly acceptable for establishing notability. I knew you'd get it sooner or later! DarkSaber2k 18:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

iv seen over 500,000 users log in daily not at ounce but daily and lately iv noticed a lot more users log in daily there were usualy 80 to 90k users on and now theres about 100k to 120k most of them may be noobs and cyberers but still users right? 12/14/07

The Last Mimzy Promotion
Should there be some mention of the promotion for The Last Mimzy? --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits) 16:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, considering that there haven't been many other promotions, especially coming with a special item, I think there should be a mention.Silver seren 17:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I would add the section but I can't find the official announcement for the promotion. Anyone know where it is? --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits | [mailto:imaginationac@gmail.com Email]) 00:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't it just be in the announcements forum further back?Silver seren 17:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You would think, but there's only a brief mention of it in the Feb 28 announement, which isn't specific enough. I vaguely remember there being something more specific like a newsletter, but there isn't one available in the newsletter archive. --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits | [mailto:imaginationac@gmail.com Email]) 20:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm...i'll go take a look and see if I can dig anything up.Silver seren 21:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Critisism
Deleted that section. Wikipedia is not a place to air personal grievances. 203.59.20.167 13:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * People should the truth about Gaiaonline. The sexual and horrible truths about gaia.

...the General Discussion Forum? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themurkyone (talk • contribs) 00:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean how hard they've been cracking down on cybering recently and that it's a PG-13 site? 69.29.217.228 23:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Criticism/Controversial Facts should be allowed on wikipedia
this should be allowed:

1. Gaiaonline does nothing about their users selling nude pictures in gaia mini-game chats exposing underage users to free (but costs gaia gold) pornography or sexually explicit content. (Source from David daniel)

2. Gaiaonline does not use the SSL Web login page making virtually all gaia users vulnerable to data and password sniffing making hacking Gaia accounts easy which does not protect the gaia users. (Source from Sammy Dawn)

3. There have been ban threats against users making people scared of moderators. They are suppose to protect people not cause harassment. (Source from John Bakes)

4. Gaiaonline does nothing to protect privacy and they retain saved messages with no option to delete your saved messages history. If a innocent user sent messages and their parents demanded the users password then this will create privacy loss and no protection of privacy. (Source from John Bakes)

5. The gaia Gold system is unfair and some will do cyber sex, or selling sexually explicit content just to get a lot of gaia gold. (Source from Bri)

6. Some Gaiaonline items are too expensive and needs to go down in price a little. Such as the Fairy Wings are 40,000 gaia gold when they should be at least cheaper like say 20,000 gaia gold. (Source from Ashcraft)
 * Oh my, you poor baby. --Can Not 18:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, lol. Don't get upset because you can't afford something.  Is Porsche a bad company because they won't sell you a car for $100? Alphabet55 (talk) 04:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

7. If Gaia mods don't like your suggestions they could ban you for speaking your mind against them or they will move your topic to Recycle Bin. Thus GaiaOnline does not honor Freedom Of Speech. (Source from Ben) I dont know what you said to get banned but i openly told them i hate what they did to the site and i didn't even get fined so what you are saying is simply not true and the members decide the prices,supply and demand.You can also delete messages.-allen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.119.56.156 (talk) 05:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Gaiaonline displays only good stuff but thats not the truth. Wikipedia is about saying the truth. Criticism should also be allowed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Btalex1990 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC).


 * Hope you don't mind my little bit of editing with your list. Well, one person's opinion is not notable; fair/unfair is subjective. You think the fairy wings are too expensive; I think there should be more expensive items. They have a whole forum devoted to feedback, I see I HATE GAIA threads there all the time from non-banned people. So... find multiple sources, not just people complaining that they don't have the items they want in there game.
 * And... just fyi, Wikipedia isn't about the truth as a message, so much as it's about collecting verifiable information. If I can't verify what you say from a third party, reliable source, then keep it to the talk pages and your user page and your personal webpage. Wikipedia isn't here for your message.Spriteless 19:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Um, I'm sorry but, what? quite a bit of this seems more opinion than fact. HEaring that whole 'cyber sex for gold' thing, that kind of thing happens anywhere on the internet--even Neopets if you look hard enough. Much of this criticism is a statement of the obvious on the internet, and the suggestion of Spriteless to keep it on Gaia is quite a good one indeed. >.<75.45.64.84 02:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Here's my opinion on what you have...

1. If you were a part of the Captain's guild, you would know that they are currently in the process of setting up a security system for the minigames, so they are doing something about it.

2. I could agree with this, if I knew what an SSL web login was.

3. I have not heard of this. I have heard of people pretending to be moderators doing this, but not real moderators. Any real ones doing this would be quickly fired.

4. Um..i'm looking at my savebox right now and I see the delete button. What are you talking about?

5. This comment is biased....

6. Still biased...

7. I have never seen or heard of this happening at all. (Refer to 3)

There you go. My opinion on that...Silver seren 20:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

It should be noted that cybering and other sexually explicit acts on Gaia are against the TOS and will result in a ban of the offending account. Gaia is a PG-13 site and they work hard to keep it that way. It is also a large site, and no one's perfect... Silver seren covered any other points I would have covered. 74.230.31.68 00:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)]]


 * Thanks. ^_^ I try.Silver seren 00:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a standard 4chan list of their problems with Gaia word for word. It's extremely biased and mostly fictional, except I guess the Fairy Wings bit since they are allowed to feel that way, due to the chans' anger with Gaia for the ORLY Owl and other injustices they feel have had done to them. It should be noted that the channers are upset because Gaia did something they themselves do on a daily basis. Ironic, isn't it? That said, there's nothing here worth taking note of except if you're looking for a quick chuckle. JBartus 12:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think any of those criticisms are relevant here. First, "the gold system is unfair"? That is simply biased, and it simulates real money effectively (greed=inflation). Most of your complaints are not things that Gaia supports, and even goes against their TOS. Security is the most accusable point about it, but that too isn't something that is a fact because they want it that way. That list just seems to be the rants of someone who dislikes Gaia.--TerraGamerX 01:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Lock
I'm fairly certain that some /b/tards from 4chan are about to raid this page, how do I put a lock up? --Greg 20:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I got a lock up. --Greg 20:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Whats "4chan"?Silver seren 12:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4chan is a very large anonomous forums desended from 2channel. It is full of Japanophiles and breeds memes. They are likely still upset that Gaia copied the ORLY owl without permission. Because Gaia is unique in that, eh?Spriteless 17:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So...they're going to vandalize wikipedia because of it?....thats sadSilver seren 03:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Gb2gaia, hopefully you'll be able to afford that really KAWAII ^_^ new top for your fag avatar with your fake money if you post enough.--NeroDrusus 09:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I would be insulted if I didn't realize that I was talking to someone who knew the word "kawaii". I'm hoping your a girl because otherwise...Silver seren 13:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep it civil and relevent to the article please. DarkSaber2k 13:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry...:( Silver seren 02:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The Tsubasa: Resevior Chronicle Promotion
This is the second promotion with a quest on Gaia. And this time I've got a primary source to cite: http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26870833#1196176034.

I don't want to put it up myself, because I would rather wait until there's a reliable source for the Last Mimzy promotion and include both in one section. --Imaginationac (Talk | Edits | [mailto:imaginationac@gmail.com Email]) 18:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't even see Quests on there...has no one descibed it yet at all? If you need the Last Mimzy one to do so, then i'll go search right now.Silver seren 02:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Start a See Also section?
Knowing many avatar-based sites (IMVU, Meez, etc.), could anyone start a "See Also" section?

Rjsec4ever 19:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say probably not. These sites (or the articles about them) probably wouldn't enhance the reader's understanding of how Gaia Online works very much. Linking in the article to the article about avatar/doll sites, as has been done, should be sufficient. (Also: for more about See Also sections, see also Guide_to_layout.)– DroEsperanto(talk 22:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Not to mention that the sites you spoke of bear little to no resemblance to Gaia Online. IMVU is a 3D Chat Room and not much else unless they've added a ton since I beta'd it. Gaia is much more encompassing. JBartus 12:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

GAIA Cars
Something should be mentioned about GAIA and Toyota working together towards the new feature. 71.193.246.98 23:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

toyota doesnt promote gaia scion does —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.166.11 (talk) 18:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Revision
I just reverted the edit by Masterj1129, which was obvious vandalism. I have the feeling that we're going to get attacked overwhelmingly soon...Silver seren 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit: Make that twice, though I think he's stopped now.Silver seren 23:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool. Next time someone vandalizes this article, could whomever reverts it put one of the handy template messages on the offender's talk page? It would help admins keep track of repeat offenders. Also lets them know we notice them, and can be very sacharine about it. ^@^ Spriteless 17:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh...sorry...o_o;Silver seren 17:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

We gots tattoos!
Yay! Would this go under avatar system, as it is about the avatar? Also, how much description of it should there be? You guys are picky on how much information there is. XPSilver seren 01:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

External Links Discussion
What does everyone think to adding this link to the external links section?

http://gaia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Gaiapedia It has all sorts of information that could never be included here because we'd all argue about it too much. Providing a link saves everyone arguing. Tainted Deity 17:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It didn't when it was last there. Wikipedia has a policy against using fansites and Wikis as sources. Gaiapedia is both. It also gives less information than Tektek or plotwiki; which itself has been absorbed by Gaia Cast, another fansite. And if you think it will stop arguing, keep in mind that Dantman bites the noobs; he doesn't see the point of encouraging bad editors. I know he means to keep dead wikis alive, but his behavior isn't conductive to breathing life into them; I've argued with him over this at Gaiapedia. Then got bored and left.


 * That's my bitter, biased, argument. Find a counter argument and it will count as concensus. :P Spriteless 14:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind, though, that external links aren't the same as sources. However, if you look at the guidelines on external links (WP:LINKS)), number 13 on the list of things to avoid linking to is "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors," so I'd move against adding Gaiapedia. – DroEsperanto(talk 01:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Useless Clutter
I was reading this article and half of this article is useless clutter. "Gaia Online's forums also have a private messaging system." This is a STANDARD FEATURE of phpBB, nothing new needing emphasized. There are alot of places in the article where similar bits which should be on the phpBB page or some other page are in this article. JBartus 12:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course, not all the people on Wiki know that. Maybe it should be added onto like, "a standard feature of phpBB". I mean, thats pretty simple. Oh darn...where's that be bold link again. XPSilver seren 14:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What I mean is that there is alot of this that talks about all of these things that are standard on phpBB that make it seem like they are unique additions the Gaia staff have added. JBartus 23:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What community website doesn't have a PM system? But aside from that, there weren't any details that seemed like they need to be removed. It does sound rather commercial-like presently, but I think that's fine until someone can rewrite it a little better. --TerraGamerX 01:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Person's attempt and reversion
Well, I can understand what the person was trying to do there, the one that Sptiteless reverted. I mean, that was a mighty fine edit, but like everyone said: we're not trying to show how to play Gaia. Though I can't bring myself to fault the person. Anyways, the question I wanted to ask: When I was comparing in the history, I noticed a change in the where the company is. Isn't it in San Jose? Thats what they've said on Gaia anyways.14:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Silver seren
 * It was? Hmm, I just went to an older version and saved that. I can't actually go to Gaia Online at work so if that's right go ahead and be bold and change it. Spriteless 18:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I changed it. I truly believe its in San Jose, but i'll look it up to make sure.


 * Edit: Here, this is from an old announcement. On the Send Application To: it says San Jose.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26596521 Silver seren 23:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Reverting???
Instead of removing sections of the article, why not discuss whether they should be removed or not? And here's a better idea: Why not try and find sources that will help keeping the content on Wikipedia instead of just removing it? How are we going to improve this article when even stuff that I had sources on, gets deleted? The article as it is now doesn't have the necessary information such as the gold system and it doesn't help the least to people who wants to learn more about Gaia Online. 81.233.5.117 20:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, shouldn't you have discussed it first as well?Silver seren 23:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Let's discuss it now? Give me a good reason as to why the avatar section as an example gets to stay in the article even though it lacks sources and why is my gold section (which had sources, mind you) removed and the stuff I wrote about the games? Okay, so the stuff I wrote about games doesn't have sources and should be removed? Fair enough. Then I'll take the time to remove the other bits like the avatar section too since that lack sources as well. And while I'm at it; You have gotten the games all wrong. There are 7 games, and I repeat, 7 games. Not 8 as it states in the article. I changed this to 7 but apparently some guy disagrees with this, so I'll take it to the discussions now. Go to Gaia's website, hover your mouse on the "Game" tab and start counting how many links that will show up. 7. The 8th game that you are talking about is the cinemas, which is not a game. Gaia themselves do not add the cinemas under the game section, and honestly, what kind of game values does the cinema contain? So I'd like to have this fixed. 81.233.5.117 23:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry about that, I'm afraid I was completely out of line. Please continue to be bold], we don't need to discuss things on the talk page before adding them! I just saw a bunch of stuff added, and grouped you in with others who've added lots of stuff that didn't add to the article. It could certainly use a section on the virtual economy Gaia runs, although I don't think anyone calls it the 'Gold System' in particular. It could be easy to source, too, since it's talked about in the articles we already cite. I'll try to put that part back in, it's easy enough to do since nothing is ever purged from Wikipedia without special administrator action. Please feel free to make an account so I can recognize you as more than an IP address, it doesn't even take an email. Spriteless 01:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Cinemas lets you light your buddies on fire and/or smooch them, which is more game like than towns, the glorified chatroom. But each game doesn't deserve it's own section, and description. Wikipedia isn't a game guide, but this is. Spriteless 01:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess you know more about this Wikipedia than I do. I can understand if some of them aren't reliable and all that, but isn't their anything of what I wrote that can be used for the article? If not, what can I do to make the content stay? I'd really like to improve the article to get around the most basic things of Gaia Online. If sources is a problem, would it then be helpful if we got some admins/mods to make some kind of official threads that we can cite as sources? And doesn't the other games need a little detail? (oh yeah, by the way, I'm 81.233.5.117; I'm just too lazy to log in to this account but I'll try for the future) BadSp00n 01:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I put the gold system back in, but reworded it. Game info is generally to 'crufty' when it includes how to win, what you win, in great detail that wouldn't be helpfull to someone who doesn't know what Gaia Online is already. Spriteless 15:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the list of things specifically to keep out. It links to other things, but it's all just guidelines; don't worry. Anything add will be edited mercilessly, as noted at the bottom of the edit page. :) So it will fit wikipedia eventually. Spriteless 18:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. :) BadSp00n 23:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Most Recognized?
I don't think this is appropriate to be placed in this article. Wachapon2 00:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you see somehting like that, feel free to delete it as unsourced, unverifiable, and un-neutral point of view. I did. Spriteless 20:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh ok! Will do next time. Wachapon2 23:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

RE: Harry Potter controversy.
Does anybody think it is appropriate to note Gaia's role in the Harry Potter spoilers fiasco, since it was mentioned in a few newspapers/apparently on TV? Relevant links: China Daily.com Mercury News CNN.comStar-TribuneSimplysitesny Take your pick, the content is all roughly the same. Whitetrashpalace 19:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC) (The Iconoclast).
 * Is Gaia any more apart of it than any other forum, like 4chan or YTMND? It isn't really an integral part of Gaia, asides from Gaia's usual attraction to internet fad/memes. Spriteless 19:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought Gaia was on the point of being sued about it? Anyways...maybe one sentence mention?Silver seren 19:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Gaia is mentioned an article about Harry Potter, which list many sites that Scholastic subpoena'd, including photobucket and and that they complied with it. That means they aren't getting sued. It easily could go in a link in the bottom, or if there's an article on the spoilers, or section on the book's article... I don't know how to fit it in the article otherwise, but if you do, have at. :) Spriteless 21:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm busy trying to save an article from deletion. Sorry, but i'll have to do it later.Silver seren 21:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking, maybe a "Gaia Online in the News" section would be a good place to put this information. I don't know if there's enough (or any) other 'official' documentation of Gaia Online to make such a section worthwhile, however. Whitetrashpalace 17:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Magic: The Gathering sponsors quest
A new Magic: The Gathering quest has started very recently, I think should it be mentioned in the section about sponsored quests. Ejak 04:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Its very interesting that Wizards of the Coast is working with Gaia...or sponsoring at least. It seems like Gaia is getting bigger things every day. Would we consider this one more important than the others though?Silver seren 14:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
So with the ridiculous vandalism this page has been receiving lately, shouldn't it be protected? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WingedOutlaw (talk • contribs) 01:05, August 2, 2007


 * With the recent outbreaks in vandalism, i'm inclined to agree. I think it should be semi-protected, but not fully.Silver seren 23:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I just removed a link to the infamous 4chan Meme Meat Spin, which was posted in the official section, I really do think this should be protected to avoid any more vandalism from the 4chan Anons.EmoHobo 04:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * A few minutes ago, I had to change the link for Gaia Online's login page because the last user to edit it replaced the URL of the real page with a link to a scamming/hacking site, so that people would unknowingly give up their account information by logging in to a fake page. This page needs protection POSTHASTE. CorinthMaxwell (talk) 04:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I just had to do the same exact thing. Crazed by Penguins (talk) 09:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Really necessary?
"Users can do things not allowed in real theaters, such as throw tomatoes, fireballs, and popcorn."

Is it really needed to point out that you are not allowed to throw tomatoes, fireballs and popcorns in a real theater? I don't know about you guys, but I just think it sounds really unprofessional. Why not just write: "User can throw tomatoes, fireballs, popcorn, as well as other things during the cinema session" or something along that line. I think most people get that you don't throw tomatoes and popcorns in a real cinema and I'd really enjoy watching a footage of someone throwing a "fireball" in a real cinema, hehe. 17:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It isn't necessary. You should be bold and change it. And anything else that sounds unprofessional. Spriteless 17:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! 18:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

New style?
Is it important to add about the new style that Gaia has added? I was thinking more on the lines of a one-liner that states that date of the new style.Silver seren 20:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Removed section on Guilds
Unfortunately, I had to remove the section on Guilds, because I was unable to find any source to cite that even mentioned Gaia guilds, meaning that the section is unverifiable. I'm moving the section to the talk page until we can find some sources for it. Until then, please don't add it back.
 * ===Guilds===
 * Users with similar interests can create or join guilds, or private user-moderated forums. Guilds may be based upon the discussion of a certain topic, or just a place for friends to chat. Some guilds are dedicated to certain causes or goals, such as speculation of future plot updates, helping new Gaians, role-playing, or hangouts for anyone who can afford to buy one. Guilds can be made public, so that everyone can post and read; private, so that the public can read but only members can post; or hidden, so that only members can read and post in the guild. The Guild Captain (the user who "owns" the guild) can create entry fees and promote other guild members into Vice Captains or Crew Members, granting them administrative powers.


 * If a guild is found to be in violation of Gaia Online's terms of service by a moderator, the guild captain is informed that the guild must remove any TOS-violating content, or the guild will be deactivated. Deactivated guilds are no longer viewable to anybody, not even the guild members.

– DroEsperanto(talk 05:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I had to do the same with the section on events, unfortunately. I've scoured the Web and can't find any sources that even mention Gaia Events. Moving that section here until sources can be found.


 * ==Events==
 * Gaia often hosts several special events, on which it gives users special rewards available for only that event. For example, on St. Patrick's Day in 2007, Gaia randomly gave out four-leafed clovers, which could be exchanged for special four-leafed clover items. For the larger holidays, such as Christmas 2006, users could walk around Gaia Towns, going to houses, singing Christmas carols to earn special items from a robot Santa NPC.
 * – DroEsperanto(talk 21:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

What sort of things are needed to make it, uh, verifiable? As far as guilds go, at a glance I've found a guild registry and two sections of the website's main forums dedicated to guilds:

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10057029 http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=156 http://www.gaiaonline.com/gaia/store.php?id=1018fb6

And here's a section devoted to "memorable events", christmas events, etcetera: http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=20 Th 2005 11:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Available sources

 * http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/aug/09/guardianweeklytechnologysection.internet1
 * http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/OPINION/708210333/1029
 * http://www.forbes.com/2006/12/10/social-networking-games-tech-cx_rr_games06_1212social.html
 * http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/09/opinion/edbeam.php

I don't really have time to work those in tonight, but they would resolve the cleanup template if mentioned and clearly cited in the article text. MrZaius talk  09:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

in case anyone objects
I edited this out, if someone can give me a good reason it should've been in the article feel free:

"Particular members, known as 'prommies' have gained notoriety in these forum, these include but are not limited to the users Wyf, Sith Lord Ali, The White Beyonce, Serbian Girl,Full of Rabies II, Interpolly and Fifties Housewife."

203.98.31.34 03:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC) I think it should stay out, all it is there to do is to inflate some egos.


 * Personally, I think it ought to stay out. This month's prommies may be forgotten next year, and I've always felt that the facts on wikipedia ought to stay true. Denna Haldane 14:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Why the hell was this IN to begin with?--124.40.47.123 09:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Because not everyone is familiar with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. It's good that you do, but please try not to bite the newcomers. Though I agree; that shouldn't be in the article. – DroEsperanto(talk 20:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

koijeibl?
I've never heard of such person named Natasha being responsible for being "the founder of Gaia" or is this another one trying to make themselves look popular? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Themurkyone (talk • contribs) 00:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC) Never mind, someone edited back to Lanzer, thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.159.41 (talk) 03:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Gaia Cash and La Victoirie
Gaia has announced a Cash Shop in it's most recent announcement, and I think it should be mentioned with the monthly collectibles, at least when it's released. Does it have a place in this article? 74.161.219.155 01:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Gaia Towns Inside a House2.JPG
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bannings scammings and hackings
there have been to many banning's of the known exchanger like teh philosopher slow decay and teh superman im tired of all this

hackings there was a guy he said he had gotten hacked but when i cheked out his profile the last login date was an hour before he made the topic but he said he got hacked 2 days ago

scammingsmy friend chevy silverado 1500 was exchanging and he got an offer for his 450 letters the guy offered a devil tail wich was an even trade the dude was supposed to put the tail in the last trade but never did so now hes stuck with what he had on him

if you agree with me on this send me a pm on gaia my username is i is jeebus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.166.11 (talk) 18:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Economy
I believe there should be an entire section on Gaia's economy. The market section would be moved into this section, and the entire second paragraph (talking about the currency) could also be moved into the Economy section (both as subsections, of course). Crazed by Penguins (talk) 17:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, for source material, there are several websites dedicated to the gaian economy, tektek.org and gaiacast to get you started. I also believe there should be an entire article detailing the gaian economy67.185.242.59 (talk) 15:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Similar to the article on the economy of second life.67.185.242.59 (talk) 15:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Second Life was had a lot of fluff pieces written about its economy, because it deals with real money. Gaia hasn't. Nobody in the real world cares about Gaia's economy. It isn't notable, and Wikipedia is not a game guide: WP:NOT TheBilly (talk) 04:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Lulz, okay: http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=17435 http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/2007/09/gaia-online-cre.html http://virtual-economy.org/blog/teen_world_gaia_online_appoint http://www.news.com/2100-1032_3-6208242.html  http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6208242.html

There's five articles written on Gaiaonline's economy. How many more would you like me to find before you consider gaia's economy "notable." Consider that some one in the "real world" cared enough about gaia's economy to bid 6000 dollars on an item on E-bay before Gaia and eBay worked out a way to make it difficult to sell gaian items on eBay. 67.185.242.59 (talk) 16:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Link to "Gaia Online" in External Links section
Earlier this month, after frequent attempts to vandalize the page by phishers, scammers, and hackers, I removed the link to the main page of Gaia from the External Links section. Today, I went through the revisions of the page, only to find that someone decided to not only restore that link (and subsequently replace it with that of another phishing site), but they also removed the link to Gaia's Terms of Service. The link to Gaia's main page was originally removed from that section by me in order to prevent anyone from misleading Gaia & Wikipedia users to false login pages, and because that very link also already exists at the top of the article. I am asking that anyone who wishes to edit this page not restore it again, because it is too much of a convincing target. CorinthMaxwell (talk) 18:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine, though I removed the link to the Terms of Service, too. It is not normal practice to have deep links on the article subject's website unless the link is of particular importance.  I don't think their Terms of Service is that important in the context of the article.  I have noticed that there has been a rash of phishing attempts and I've blocked the latest IP to attempt to insert a phishing address. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Repeatedly removing a link to the website that the article is about is completely inappropriate. Including the link both in the infobox and in the external links section is common practice. The proper way to handle phishing and vandalism is to simply revert such edits, report the vandals (at WP:AIV), and request permanent semi-protection of the article (at WP:RFP) if it's a frequent target of IP vandalism TheBilly (talk) 02:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Gaia Towns Inside a House.jpg
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Quest Controversy
I think that sentence needs to be clarified or taken out. I mean, it's to protect themselves legally that some of the quests are region-locked. 203.59.104.134 (talk) 13:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. The only solid information is that their advertisers asked them to, and they obeyed. All other interpretations are pulled out of thin air &mdash; TheBilly(Talk) 19:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikichan subsection
http://wikichan.org/index.php/Gaiafag

I don't know of this belongs here, or if there's anything we can do about it, but just thought I'd let you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warmish Water (talk • contribs) 00:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Genre
It's pretty much an mmorpg isnt it? when you get down to the basics of what an rpg is, Gaia is pretty much that. it should be included into a list of text based mmorpg's or even its own genre. everyone seems to assume a role by playing their individual characters and everyone seems to be playing a game even if they talk out on the forums, actually some games do take place in the forums. this is somewhat controversial... games are activities witha goal and something we do for pleasure, is Gaia a game? Monday January 7th 2008 8:02PM est ~ Neph

Founders / Company Info
Where did all the company stuff go? Derek Liu, Long Vo, Josh Gainsburough were all founders of the company. It seems everything about Gaia Interactive has been stripped. If this was intentional, the Gaia Online page should be split into Gaia Online and Gaia Interactive, the former focusing on the site and the second on the company. 68.122.69.210 (talk) 10:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

gaia pedia
should we put a link to http://gaia.wikia.com/wiki/Gaia_Online because its a Wiki for Gaia Online. Akira-otomo (talk) 20:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)