Talk:Gail Borden

This needs to be re-written
'... he produced the "pemmican", which Elisha Kane carried with him on the Second Grinnell Expedition. The "meat biscuit", a simple, economical, and efficient form of portable concentrated food, was invented by Borden.'

This leaves the impression that Borden invented pemmican. In fact, it was first produced by North American native peoples centuries before Borden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pemmican

206.47.116.166 (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I've fully overhauled the meat biscuit section of the article, rewriting much of the text and incorporating new references. Among the many changes I've made, I was sure to make it clear that Borden's meat biscuit was merely based upon pemmican. --Jgcoleman (talk) 05:07, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Gail Borden... Jr or III?
Gail Borden is specified as "Gail Borden, III" in two places in this article. However, most of the sources I've found online seem to suggest that we are actually talking about "Gail Borden, Jr". Anybody have any insight into this? The article was assembled with very spotty citations, so it's difficult to determine where "III" came from. Unless anybody has any objections, I plan to change this soon to reflect source material. —Jgcoleman (talk) 14:10, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Family History
According to the article Gail Borden was the descendant of "Richard from Headcorn, Kent, who immigrated to the United States aboard the ship Elizabeth and Anne in 1635" citing ["Borden Family in America - Descendents of Richard Borden – Emigrant from Headcorn in 1635". bordenfamily.info. Retrieved July 31, 2018.] The original work is Borden Family in America... by Hattie Weld, 1899. The reference to "bordenfamily.info" is to a derivative source. Since Weld, 1899 is readily available on the internet, it would be better to cite the original source only.

(The second source for the above is given as StephenBorden.com. That link is dead.) That said, Weld does not place Richard Borden on the Elizabeth and Anne of 1635. The ship's passenger's list of the Elizabeth and Anne does include a John Borden and his family, but there is no Richard Borden listed. The ship list is available at several locations, including The olive Tree, Elizabeth and Anne, entry under the date xiii May, 1635. There is a common view that Richard was the brother of the John Borden who sailed on the Elizabeth and Anne. Weld 1899 concurs, but provides no documentation to show that they were brothers or that Richard was on the Elizabeth and Ann.

The earliest record for Richard Borden in New England does not come until 1638 when he receives a parcel of five acres in the newly founded plantation of Pocasset (onAquidneck Island).2601:843:C300:EB:31FF:27E2:A633:9B39 (talk) 16:54, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Condensed milk - boiled form?
I got a funny link in Russian, http://www.upakovano.ru/articles/1874 - that says his servant made the important suggestion to "rinse fat" to the pot, resulting in making a thick brownish product, that wouldn't go sour.

Direct copy of the excerpt in question for running through a translator, let alone a "ChatGPT" AI: Он, по примеру Аппера, решил кипятить молоко, выпаривая его до состояния порошка, – но оно только пригорало к стенкам кастрюли, и получившаяся черная масса была несъедобной. Тогда в 1850 году кто-то из негритянской прислуги навел его на мысль предварительно смазывать стенки кастрюли жиром, и в результате часового кипячения из обычного молока стал получаться густой коричневый продукт, никогда не киснущий и более приятный на вкус, чем молоко.

Point is, the earliest condensed milk looked like dulce de leche, but without being referred to as dulce de leche. Oh, and it appears it was an unknown Black person who contributed the crucial idea to the process. OkiPrinterUser (talk) 09:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)