Talk:Gaius Porcius Cato (consul 114 BC)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 20:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I’ll pick this one up...Ealdgyth (talk) 20:22, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Lead:
 * "Gaius left to Tarraco (modern Tarragona) in Spain" - is the "left to" a Britishism? I'd expect "left for" or "emmigrated to" ...
 * Not a Britishism, I'm just French and make grammatical mistakes sometimes. Fixed.
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Lead:
 * "Gaius left to Tarraco (modern Tarragona) in Spain" - is the "left to" a Britishism? I'd expect "left for" or "emmigrated to" ...
 * Not a Britishism, I'm just French and make grammatical mistakes sometimes. Fixed.
 * "Gaius left to Tarraco (modern Tarragona) in Spain" - is the "left to" a Britishism? I'd expect "left for" or "emmigrated to" ...
 * Not a Britishism, I'm just French and make grammatical mistakes sometimes. Fixed.


 * Early career:
 * "He probably met him..." Who met whom? the last person mentioned was Ti. Gracchus - so which is the "he" and which is the "him" here?
 * Gaius met Tiberius there. Corrected.


 * "Gaius was likely on his way to take on (or returning from) his post in Syracuse" .. clunky. Maybe "Gaius was likely either on his way to or from his post in Syracuse."
 * Fixed.


 * per MOS:CIRCA, it's not italicized.
 * Fixed.


 * Consul:
 * "One Greek and one Celtic couples" Britishism again? I would expect "One Greek and one Celtic couple" ... and couple here implies that they were in some sort of relationship to this Yank. Perhaps "A pair of Greeks and a pair of Celts.."?
 * I want to say that there were two couples, one Greek couple and one Celtic couple. I've changed to "Two couples (one Greek and one Celtic)"


 * Sources:
 * Not a requirement, but suggestion - you give titles for most of your short footnotes, but not for Broughton?
 * Broughton's, Magistrates is possibly the most famous book on the Roman Republic of the 20th century, so it's usually obvious it's this book, but you're right, I've added a short title.


 * Also not a requirement, but you give the ISBN for Gruen, but none of the other books... might add those you can.
 * It was another editor who added it. Added the other isbn.


 * Total aside - how is Champion's Peace of the Gods? I have it in my pile of things I need to read... but I keep finding things I think I need to read more... should I be putting it up higher?
 * Don't know, I've just read the pages for the article lol. It's a very specialised book though.


 * I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
 * I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 23:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. Most issues fixed. T8612  (talk) 00:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. I am interested in Champion more to mine it for religious cultus practices, rather than the history. May I also commend you for not using any ancient primary sources. I detest the Greek/Roman wikiproject's monomania on the use of primary sources and it is refreshing to see editors bucking that trend. Thank you. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Why do you want to remove primary sources? There is nothing in the MoS against them, and it is very useful to have the references in the article, rather than going in the secondary source to find what are the original reference. When I write "Cicero says that...", readers may want to easily find what he actually said. T8612  (talk) 15:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)