Talk:Galatasaray S.K./Archive 3

Protection
can a administrator please protect his article because the english rivalry section is being removed by turkish users Chappy84 is right about the facts


 * Attention, the message above mine is by an anonymous user that has been anonymously vandalising this page and other Turkish football pages. It is no surpise that this user, who has added nothing to this article, is the only one who agrees with the user Chappy84 who also lying, manipulating and adding false information. There are no "facts" from either of these users who have done nothing to add to this article. Ask the administrator Konstable if you want to know more. Let's see. You have said that www.galatasaray.org is not the official website of Galatasaray, an obvious lie. You have said that Suat Kaya will be coach of Galatasaray next year, an obvious lie. You have said Erdal Keser will be coach of Galatasaray next year, an obvious lie. You have said that Ertugrul Saglam will be coach of the national team, an obvious lie. And now you are getting frustrated because everybody knows you are lying. And by the way, I'm not an Galatasaray supporter but it looks like I know more about Galatasaray than you ever will.


 * http://www.galatasaray.org/kurumsal/tarihce/teknik_direktorler.asp. The OFFICIAL website says Don Hawe was manager in 1974-1975. Somebody just has to look at your "contributions" and see that you make false information all the time. And it is no surprise that you, the person adding all of this false information to Turkish football articles, are the only one who agrees with that English user trying to tarnish Galatasaray's image with lies. He like you, was lying, and purposely manipulating and leaving out information. You are trying to pass off the Turkish assistant managers of that time as the managers because you hate to admit that a foreign manager was in charge.Waya 5 05:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Waya 5 is removing info of Chappy84 facts about the Leeds Killing in Istanbul please protect this page.


 * Attention, the message above mine is by an anonymous user that has been anonymously vandalising this page and other Turkish football pages. It is no surpise that this user, who has added nothing to this article, is the only one who agrees with the users Chappy84 "Alex" and who also lying, manipulating and adding false information. There are no "facts" from either of these users who have done nothing to add to this article. Ask the administrator Konstable if you want to know more. Let's see. You have said that www.galatasaray.org is not the official website of Galatasaray, an obvious lie. You have said that Suat Kaya will be coach of Galatasaray next year, an obvious lie. You have said Erdal Keser will be coach of Galatasaray next year, an obvious lie. You have said that Ertugrul Saglam will be coach of the national team, an obvious lie. And now you are getting frustrated because everybody knows you are lying. And by the way, I'm not an Galatasaray supporter but it looks like I know more about Galatasaray than you ever will.


 * http://www.galatasaray.org/kurumsal/tarihce/teknik_direktorler.asp. The OFFICIAL website says Don Hawe was manager in 1974-1975. Somebody just has to look at your "contributions" and see that you make false information all the time. And it is no surprise that you, the person adding all of this false information to Turkish football articles, are the only one who agrees with that English user trying to tarnish Galatasaray's image with lies. He like you, was lying, and purposely manipulating and leaving out information. You are trying to pass off the Turkish assistant managers of that time as the managers because you hate to admit that a foreign manager was in charge.Waya 5 05:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ongoing revert wars
This article is really difficult to contribute for several reasons like edit warring, and carelessly reverting:) my last edits look like carelessly but really i try to add everything like rivallary and stadium part. If i removed any important part or added unnecessary part please change it. But don't just revert to an old version like this. As seen on diff that anon user, who has blocked several times, just reverts. Even he reverts interwikis, external links and notes section used for references. The best way to improve this article will be discussing, and writing reasons of important changes in this talk page. I hope this month this article starts improving. --Ugur Basak 22:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Reverts page with the information I posted a while ago
I would like to point out that although I feel that some information that I have added previously should be included, for reasons I have placed above, I have GIVEN UP on reverting this article since I do not see the point in revert wars.

I would also like to point out yet again to Waya 5 that the England is NOT full of "Islamaphobic Skin heads" and the educational system is not an "Islamophobic skinhead educational system" where people "didn't make it past grade school".

Galatasaray are known mainly as a football team in England but are, as i have pointed out in the past, associated via press coverage at the time to the incident which occured. This has stuck in peoples memory, as english hooliganism has stuck in yours associated with english teams. The information I added was not lies, and anyone was free to edit it to include further information they found on the subject. I tried to make my information from as neutral a point of view as possible yet obviously on a subject as strong as this, a large proportion of people are going to feel strongly on the subject and thus may interpret the information to be biased.

My attention was brought to this subject as people wanted backing on the subject and saw from previous edits that I had added information on the subject, but I have told them I will no longer participate in adding this information.

Please read my previous comments on this talk page for my complete wiew on the subject. --Chappy84 19:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's very pompous and ignorant to think that an incident solely involving drunken Leeds United supporters and NO ONE from the Galatasaray organization or its fanbase should be associated with the club more than one of the greatest points in its history. I'm pretty sure if the topic of Galatasaray was brought up to UEFA president Johansson he would think of the team he awarded the UEFA Cup to in 2000, not some drunken Leeds United supporters making fools of themselves in a country they were expected to act like guests in.


 * Murders happen every year in Istanbul as it does in any other metropolitan city in the world and that was a case of nothing more than that. The only "football hooliganism" around was the drunken Leed United supporters and it's very ignorant to assume that every single one of the millions living in Istanbul are Galatasaray supporters.  Probably less than half of the population of the city is interested in football and then less than a third of those are Galatasaray supporters. The incident you keep trying to include in this article is nothing more than a murder and you're welcome to try and include it in the "Istanbul" article but good luck with that as I'm sure there is no place in what is a very compact article covering more than 2000 years of history for a common murder.


 * It is not surpising that the user trying to add this information was deliberately making and adding false information and leaving out critical information himself. Again, not surprisingly the only non-English user interested in adding the Leeds United misinformation is a notorious and previously banned vandal who keeps editing the page to an outdated state. See my above contributions for more on the case.  I cannot stress those points enough but it's tiresome having to repeat them for people who can't seem to understand.Waya5 20:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * To reword what you said, it's very pompous and ignorant to think that the incident solely involved drunken Leeds United supporters and NO ONE from the Galatasaray organization. I think you should readWP:V especially "Verifiability, not truth2, BBC and CNN ARE reputable sources. It can be verified, it can also be conflicted with other reputable sources to show both sides. Once you have read WP:V you will realise that sources from the BBC and CNN sail through the guidelines. Englishrose 13:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's also very pompous and ignorant to lie like you just have because NONE OF YOUR SOURCES MENTION THE GALATASARAY ORGANIZATION OR THEIR SUPPORTERS BEING INVOLVED but they do however mention Leeds United supporters and their drunken behavior. Maybe you should try reading them yourself. So much for their ability to "sail through the guidelines". Again, you have no rebuttal for my many other points such as the lies, the manipulation of information and the way you and the other user have left out a great deal of information.Waya 5 24:24, 3 October (UTC)
 * So Leeds fan fought with themselves did they? Englishrose 12:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Waya - I think that a paragraph on this incident is worthy. I'm not sure about giving it an enitre section, and I think some of the wording in the original is a little subjective. I think the idea of a rivalry and anger between England/Turkey is also over-played a little in the 'other' version of the article. --Robdurbar 08:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

History Stub
I tagged the history section as a stub; it says nothing about the club between 1912 and the 1990s. --Robdurbar 07:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

4 new players are given first team squad numbers
do not delete them again! below is the official website of TFF, u can see the "evidence" if u dont believe my edits and delete them!

http://bim.tff.org/cgi-bin/db2www/tmp/atff-2006/PKLIG.mac/QUERY4?durum=N&oyuncu=Oyuncular&klplig=1&klpkod=000162&klpad=SALATASARAY+A.%DE.
 * How come they are not listed on the official Galatasaray website ? A  ecis  Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 01:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

TFF is the official organization who approves squad numbers, contract details, league matches stats and alike. club websites dont always give the best information.

Turkish Super League
I nominated the article of Turkish Super League to be the next article to be upgraded by the Wikipedia community. Please go to this page and vote for our league. We need at least 3 votes to win!.Haydi Beyler, Deliogul 16:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sovyetler Birliği milli takımının article'ına yenildik bu hafta ama bir dahaki hafta için şansımız devam ediyor.Yukardaki linke tıklayıp bir oy atın da Süper Lig'i featured article yapalım. Deliogul 11:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

please do not remove the new players!
below is the Galatasaray squad and numbers on Turkish Football Federation Website! Çağrı Yarkın and Anıl Karaer is given squad numbers. (Uğur Akdemir and Volkan Bekçi were given too, but they are loaned to another club now)

http://bim.tff.org/cgi-bin/db2www/tmp/atff-2006/PKLIG.mac/QUERY4?durum=N&oyuncu=Oyuncular&klplig=1&klpkod=000162&klpad=SALATASARAY+A.%DE.

who deletes my edits?
i thought wikipedia is opened to all officially-approved information. what r the mods are here for? to delete all REAL stuff?

Zaferrr!
Turkcell Super League article is choosen as the football collaboration of the week! Please help expanding the article. Oy atanlara büyük teşekkür. Deliogul 14:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Great Matches in Europe
What is the criterion for inclusion in the section "Great Matches in Europe"? Why, for instance, is just about every match in the 1999-2000 European run included? I can understand the UEFA Cup final and the UEFA Super Cup final, but what was spectacular/great about the 2-1 victory over Bologna? A ecis Brievenbus 20:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just came to this talk page to pose the same question. Slow Graffiti 02:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, why is there a match from a friendly competition (Efes Pilsen Cup) in there? CanbekEsen 03:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They mention the game against Leeds in 2000 and strangely forget to mention the murders of two Leeds fans —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.172.219 (talk) 09:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

They dıdn't mentioned those lot because they weren't Leeds United fans and plus if they disrespect someone as valuable as Mustafa Kemal Atatürk they deserve to be fucking killed. They weren't "fans" as you say they are fucking called "HOOLIGANS" you idiot

What happened to that Great Matches in Europe section anyway?

CassioLincoln (talk) 10:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I think he was Mustafa Denizli ?
Cup Winners Cup Winners: 0 - Appearances: 8 91-1992 Quarter Final Karl Heinz Feldkamp eliminated by  Werder Bremen 2-1 in Germany, 0-0 in Istanbul --- I think this entry is wrong. Technical Director was Mustafa Denizli on that match ?

--no, it was not. Karl Heinz Feldkamp was managing the team at that time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.172.154.139 (talk) 14:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Dates & dashes
En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Manual of Style (dashes) and Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

User violence
I just corrected some violence of Fenerbahce jerks who changed the club name. Please don't make this article accesable for non-registered users! 16:05, 14 August 2007

Thanks. They just cannot agree that Galatasaray is head and shoulders better than them. After all they have a nanos name (Fener [Which means light as if to say they are the sun] and Bahcewhichmeans garden. WTF? The garden of light? Nobody will ever believe that this is a bloody football team but a name like Galata (Which is a name in place in Istanbul) and Saray which means palace. The palace of Galata. Which one sounds better?

Fenerbahce sucks anyway —Preceding unsigned comment added by ManyakAslan (talk • contribs) 11:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism?
Can someone check this edit? I'm not sure if it was vandalism or not. Thanks, delldot   talk  16:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Citizenship of Özbek and Calik
I changed the country flags. Both hold Germany citizenship (probably dual citizenship), and at least Özbek is not able to play for Turkey anymore, since he has turned 21, and is currently playing for German U-21. Not sure about Calik. --78.51.102.102 19:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * According to this link you are right. But on the other hand, I can't understand how a player born that was on "14.Sept.1986", play for U-21 team in "12.Oct.2007". Doesn't U-21 means Under 21? Any ideas? --85.103.85.52 10:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * According to a German Wikipedia article the actual age at the day of the match doesn't matter, instead only the age at the beginning of any tournament or qualification round is what counts. So participants of a match can also be older than 21 (like in this case). --91.32.72.182 14:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

GA review comments
Well, as I usually say, here we go... I'm not going to continue at this time. Like the Fenerbahce article, this needs a lot of work, predominantly in the copyediting world, and I'd advise editors to look at current football featured articles to understand where to aim. I'm failing the GA nom for now, feel free to get in touch with me if what I've said isn't clear. The Rambling Man 18:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "... and his fellows from the prestigious..." - POV.
 * All nicknames need citation.
 * "Galatasaray holds the best international record by a Turkish team as well." - reword - don't rely on the previous paragraph by saying "as well".
 * " They lifted another prestige trophy when they beat Los Galácticos, the Champions League winner Real Madrid, in the Super Cup same year.[4]" - first it's a bit journalist, secondly the English goes awry with "Super Cup same year"...
 * List of sports shouldn't be capitalised. Pipe if you really wish to avoid the redirects.
 * Image:Galatasaray SK.png needs a correct fair use rationale (try adding article=Galatasaray S.K. to the template...)
 * Image:GS-Finishing-Positions.png is okay but most would place 1st place at the top of the graph, not the bottom.
 * "This was how the first Turkish football club was founded." - sounds like a story telling.
 * "Among with the founder...", "the co-founders were the ones who were keen to do this sport" - English copyedit required I'm afraid.
 * "It eventually did." - not really encyclopaedia material.
 * "they heralded the beginning of Turkish football history." - really?
 * "the first professional but nonnational league of Turkey" - needs a hyphen and some explanation.
 * "today it is organized with the name Turkcell Super League" - grammar?
 * "Galatasaray joined all seasons and won 16 league titles since then." - again, needs copyedit.


 * I didn't understand why these comments aren't considered seriously, but here's a quick view on them:
 * "... and his fellows from the prestigious..." - POV.
 * (No longer exists)


 * "Galatasaray holds the best international record by a Turkish team as well." - reword - don't rely on the previous paragraph by saying "as well".
 * (We need to add a reference here, comparing Galatasaray and other Turkish teams)


 * " They lifted another prestige trophy when they beat Los Galácticos, the Champions League winner Real Madrid, in the Super Cup same year.[4]" - first it's a bit journalist, secondly the English goes awry with "Super Cup same year"...
 * (We can merge this sentence with the previous one and remove los galacticos, so journalist style will be gone)


 * List of sports shouldn't be capitalised. Pipe if you really wish to avoid the redirects.
 * (No longer exists)


 * Image:GS-Finishing-Positions.png is okay but most would place 1st place at the top of the graph, not the bottom.
 * (Correct now)


 * "This was how the first Turkish football club was founded." - sounds like a story telling.
 * (This sentence is not necessary, should be removed. It's enough if we mention the 1st Turkish football club information somewhere only once)


 * "Among with the founder...", "the co-founders were the ones who were keen to do this sport" - English copyedit required I'm afraid.
 * (I don't know how to correct these ones. Totally rubbish.) 


 * "It eventually did." - not really encyclopaedia material.
 * (Another rubbish sentence. Needs to be removed.)


 * "they heralded the beginning of Turkish football history." - really?
 * (Yes, really. And it has its reference.)


 * "the first professional but nonnational league of Turkey" - needs a hyphen and some explanation.
 * (Explanation is in the following sentence. Non-national stands for Istanbul league.)


 * "today it is organized with the name Turkcell Super League" - grammar?
 * (it should simply be: Turkcell Super League today)


 * "Galatasaray joined all seasons and won 16 league titles since then." - again, needs copyedit.
 * (attended instead of joined maybe?)


 * CassioLincoln (talk) 15:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Rivalry
The information is wrong in the rivalry section or manipulated. Galatasaray and Besiktas are eternal rivals of Fenerbahçe. Fenerbahçe-Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe-Beşiktaş are the biggest games. Galatasaray-Beşiktaş games are more like friendly games. But in this article it is shown vice-versa. This is not correct and everbody living in Turkey knows that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.98.69 (talk) 08:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Fenerbahce-Besiktas rivalry is not subject of this article. Secondly, a rivalry between Galatasaray and Besiktas exist. --Stone1337 (talk) 20:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

My point is clear but I will try again. In Turkey, Fenerbahçe is the most popular sports club thats why every other club fan hates Fenerbahçe. Galatasaray and Besiktas are eternal rivals of Fenerbahce. But the article says it vice-versa. It needs to be edited. Fenerbahce and Besiktas do NOT have a long rivalry with Cimbom. There is a rivalry between three clups but the sentence doesn't say it trully. If you want to keep this article like now, you want to change some true facts known by millions. By deleting other people s edits you are also showing that you are the sole information source. And this power can be used as manipulation which is the story here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.96.4 (talk) 09:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I think its silly to say that there's no rivalry between Besiktas and Galatasaray. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.65.82 (talk) 01:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Galatasaray is the most successful Turkish Club
If Liverpool can say that they are the most successful English club for the reasons they've listed (check their page) Galatasaray can certainly say they are the most successful Turkish club. No other Turkish club has even lifted a European trophy. That gives Galatasaray SK more reason than anything else to make this claim. Besides in the Turkish League Championship in the fifties and the previous years Fenerbahce only have one more league win than Galatasaray in that time period; additionally, we must look at the fact that the Turkish Premier League should be looked at with more regard than any Istanbul Championship period league anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thprfssnl (talk • contribs) 05:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes i agree with everything you said mate...--Stone1337 (talk) 20:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Galatasaray is the most succesful club in Turkish football history there is no doubt about that :) Redman19 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please stop vandalizing this section, thank you.

Again, someone keeps changing this section and the vandalism needs to stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thprfssnl (talk • contribs) 16:04, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Galatasaray won more trophies than any other Turkish club and the only Turkish club to win a European trophy. Closest rival Fenerbahçe doesn't even have a semi-final and is not able win the Turkish Federation Cup (Fortis Turkey Cup) since 1983. Galatasaray is definitely undisputed the most successful club.

CassioLincoln (talk) 10:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

This section should be given special attention because it is constanly being vandalisied and revereted - people keep deleting the information about Galatasaray being the most successful Turkish club (which it is) and users need to take care to make sure the vandalism is reverted, thank you. 74.74.162.52 (talk) 18:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The user named Rangond is vandalizing this page constantly, please watch out for him. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.202.231 (talk) 19:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

3RR dispute over this article
The 3RR noticeboard is not a place for continuing content disputes. Please negotiate with each other, or bring in the views of other editors knowledgable about sports from the appropriate WikiProjects. I've copied here some comments from the 3RR noticeboard. The alternative is to immediately issue blocks, so please show some patience. EdJohnston (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Addition: user continues
Another 4 edits in 24 hours by the same user. User knows about the 3rr rule, but he get away with no block or warning.... And the page is protected with the violated edition... What is the point of reporting then? Icykip2005 (talk) 18:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * 1st revert (3rd in total): 18:27, 3 June 2008 (53,926 bytes) (you are...
 * 2th revert (4th in total): 21:24, 3 June 2008 (53,858 bytes) (Undid revision...
 * 3rd revert (5th in total): 17:03, 4 June 2008 (53,687 bytes) (rv...
 * 4th revert (6th in total): 18:18, 4 June 2008 (53,687 bytes) (Undid revision...

Controversy
I told him to revert the section he wants to change in the original edit but he keeps on reverting his own idea's
 * The user Icykip2005 is keeping out info of my revert version

me and some other users did our bests to put info on that page but he keeps reverting it to his own head

if he wants to change something, he should change the section he wants to change and not the whole page.

Redman19 (talk) 18:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Dude, first revert is done here by you. There are no reverts BEFORE this one. Please explain this, if you can. Thank you. Icykip2005 (talk) 18:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I explained you before, if you want to add something on the page, dont revert the whole page

because you are putting out some info that vandalising users have done there


 * so please lets work this out so we can have a nice page with the useful info


 * we are both Galatasaray supporters we want the best for the page right?


 * Redman19 (talk) 18:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * My edition includes infromation that never been on that page before (picture of Arda, Euro2008 trivia etc.). So, your claims are false. Check the link above. You reverted all of those... And you also violated 3rr... This case must be reviewed. I'm waiting to hear from the admin... --Icykip2005 (talk) 19:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You seem to have missed my point when you are reverting things your edits are deleting some precious info ! please take a look at it by yourself and you will see what I mean you are deleting Ahmet Akcan from the managers list, we both know that he was a interim manager for a couple of games, you are deleting the 85px GS logo the logo is too big and should have been smaller. I was never banned or blocked, Im just a user that tries to add useful info at pages and clean up vandalism

the only thing im saying is if you want to add a Arda picture or some other things be my guest, but dont do it over my reverts. Redman19 (talk) 21:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * My update included MUCH MORE than Ahmet Akçan fix. Therefore, if you want AHMET AKCAN back in list, then just add his name again. But you didn't do that. You reverted ALL of my update. AND CALLED IT VANDALISM. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. Am I making myself clear?? --Icykip2005 (talk) 15:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)