Talk:Galeazzo Ciano

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Count Galeazzo Ciano Ciano is much like many of the nazi henchmen and their Italian cohorts. This was a person that was after personal gain. He used his personalty, intellance and oppertunitys to gain position, titles, wealth and power. When he saw that his mentor was going to be thrown out political power, he joined in thinking that he might be able to retain his power or maybe even take II Duces place as ruler of Italy or at least hold a powerfull place in the new goverment. After all, a leader of the ruling party is much better for such a man than the favorate son in law of a disposied dicator. However, the writing as on the wall when the ruling party sided with the allies. The allies would not like the idea that II Duce's son in law, a rancid facist and very powerfull member of the disposed regime holding any power in the new government other than bathroom ordery in prison. The fact that he had not warmed up to the nazi government in the preceding years of WWII only shows that perhaps he had the highest intellagence of all facist Itally (which may not be saying very much). Perhaps, only perhaps, since he thought that Itally would continue it resistance against the Allies, he might have seen this as an oppernity to become the new new ruler of facist Itally, after all who else would want the job with the Allies so close to invasion of mainland Itally. The sweat irony of all this is his own arrest, trial (read mock trial, after all the judges were only mere puppets of higher nazis), and the wrong end of a facist firing squad. One wonders in the final moments of this conceded man's life if he had a change of heart to beloviance and wished he had to make the world a better place for all man kind rather than for just himself? Think of that the next time you do for yourself when you could have a chance to do for others. All that one does for himself dies with himself, all that one does for others lives on for all of mankind. --

A TRAITOR?

Ciano was a traitor, we are told, because he voted against Mussolini in the Fascist Grand Council. This is the kind of things I always hear from fascists. It doesn't correspond to the image I have of a traitor. Anyone who disagrees with a fascist or communist dictator is labeled a traitor or a defeatist. You can't change your political stance according to your conscience, you are not supposed to have an opinion, you only have to follow the Duce the Führer or the Comrade secretary-general wherever he goes, whatever he says and does, or else you are a traitor and you must pay treason with your life. Quite simple, isn't it? Wasn't Ciano a fascist too? Of course he was, but how can you call him a traitor and, at the same time, a courageous opponent of Mussolini? How could he be a traitor on one side and a courageous opponent of the Italian-German alliance on the other side? Why should he be called a traitor if he showed his disagreement with the war against the Allies openly in a fascist assembly and, before that happened, in person to Mussolini himself? Ciano was an unfaithful husband, they say, but he married Edda Mussolini, not her father Benito. The fascists, the nazis and the communists always need to call someone a traitor. If you are not - or if you cease to be - a believer, then you are a traitor. Dictators see millions of "traitors" all the time because their policies make millions of real opponents. "Treason" is the only way paranoid megalomaniacs can explain their failure and their defeat.

J.Barreto

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He was a man who reprasents what much of us hate - and yet he has a warm spot in many hearts - he was no racist, hated Hitler and his persecution of the Jewish people, and wanted to be on the Allies side fighting the axis.

Emilio Pucci question
Edda's lover Emilio Pucci is the fashion designer? [unsigned by 85.240.230.63]
 * I think that is true - need chance to consult Ray Moseley - Mussolini's Shadow: The Double Life of Count Galeazzo Ciano. --mervyn 10:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes - see the CIA reference I've just added. I've described him as a confidant in the article, but the guy was a real chick-magnet so "lover" is probably correct, just hard to source. There's tons of stuff in that CIA reference if someone wants to go through it, it's particularly strong on how Edda tried to play off different factions of the Nazis to try and save Galeazzo, and on how the various bits of the Ciano papers made it to safety. I deleted the bit that described her as "Nazi enamoured", partly for being a WP:WEASEL but the CIA source makes clear that her dealings with the Gestapo in late 1943 at least were purely pragmatic, they were the only people who could stop him being shot. FlagSteward (talk) 11:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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German Fuhrer - several historical references mention the fact that Count Ciano constantly made disparaging remarks about Adolf Hitler's sexuality and that this gossip got back to Hitler and this caused Hitler to earmark Ciano for death. When Ciano turned on his father in law, dictator Mussolini, he didn't have any support at all because Hitler had given a large amount of gold to Mussolini to keep him in power in Italy and it was subject to being forfeited in the change of Italian leadership. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.67.64 (talk) 02:23, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Albania
- One thing i really do not understand. Count Ciano was the main person responsible for the invasion of Albania, also the main event in his political career and no single word about this fact is to be found in the article. This is absolutely ridiculous and i fail to understand why the people writing this article choose to totally ignore the most politically intensive part of his career. It's either plain dumb or on purpose. ````Ardi Kule

Controversy
- I have taken the liberty to delete this part. The only reference was to a book by David Irving, a known revisionist and Holocaust denier, and both the author and his book are - to put it politely - highly controversial, and both are unfit as reference material. I have not been able to find any references to this 'controversy' anywhere else. Following this, the section has been deleted. Kim_Pirat (talk) 07:33, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Did you check the obvious anachronisms in the Ciano diaries cited in Irving's book?

David Irving is no holocaust denier anymore... He accepts a figure of up to 4 million. But this is irrelevant anyway. You may check for yourself the accuracy of his claims (the anachronisms) by reading the relevant entries in Ciano's diaries.

This is blatant and senseless censorship of useful data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.14.17.25 (talk) 03:58, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Irving was found by an English court of law, in a legal action Irving himself initiated, to have "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence." The consensus of historical experts is that his books cannot be considered reliable. He therefore does not meet Wikipedia's reliable source requirements, so we could not cite his books except in articles about Irving himself, or about his books. Jayjg (talk) 04:21, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, what can be done to point out those 2 obvious anachronisms present in those diaries? Anyone may check out the relevant entries and spot them as such. I think it's useful data for anyone about to read those diaries (and I wish I'd been aware of them at the time of reading them, which I did after the useful Wikipedia article, now incomplete). Those bits are useful for anyone digging on the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.14.17.25 (talk) 05:50, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I've found some references in the Internet about the anachronisms in Ciano's diaries (by searching "galeazzo ciano anachronisms"): · http://ebooks.cambridge.org/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9780511583575&cid=CBO9780511583575A029 · http://books.google.co.ve/books?id=FNjxX7uZYQEC&pg=PA291&lpg=PA291&dq=%22galeazzo+ciano%22+anachronisms&source=bl&ots=wS7KYY8Pyo&sig=lbZz2B62kJGauteme6KYpb5cuWw&hl=es-419&ei=A9p2TrWlNoqXtwf1zZTgDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

186.14.17.25 (talk) 06:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

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Edda Mussolini’s affair
is this a well known fact that she had a lover while he was stationed in China and that they had an open relationship? From what I’ve read it seems that it was more of a rumour and I’ve read a lot of books on that period of Italian history.

Execution
The story that Ciano managed to turn around before he was shot is not corroborated by the source given - there is not a single word about it in the Telegraph article. It isn't mentioned in the very detailed Italian Wikipedia article either. As long as no reliable sources can be found, this anecdote should be removed as spurious. Jossi (talk) 19:22, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I have removed the sentence "though Ciano managed to twist his chair around at the last minute to face the firing squad before uttering his final words, "Long live Italy!" from this section of the Wiki entry.
 * Ciano's execution was actually filmed and can be viewed in the documentary 'Mussolini: The First Fascist'. In it, Ciano (wearing a light coloured raincoat) is clearly shot in the back. 2A02:8084:2847:AE80:14A0:B67:58B8:DFCD (talk) 13:53, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Count Ciano did not turn his chair around to face the firing squad and was shot in the back, like the others executed along side him. Below is a still taken from 'Mussolini: The First Fascist' which shows the moment the bullet strikes Ciano in the back.

https://i.ibb.co/0nNPNgM/Untitled-1.jpg

Ciano can be seen facing away from the firing squad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:2847:AE80:14A0:B67:58B8:DFCD (talk) 14:17, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

I have tried to correct this section of the Wiki entry for Galeazzo Ciano several times and it keeps getting reverted back to the incorrect information. In any case, below I have included a series of stills from the filming of Ciano's execution that shows that he did not turn around to face the firing squad. Whether he actually said anything before being shot is anyone's guess.

'''Ciano being escorted to the execution spot. He is wearing the light coloured macintosh coat:'''

https://i.ibb.co/PrHhH7Z/C1.jpg

Ciano waiting to be seated:

https://i.ibb.co/vxNp6q6/C2.jpg

Ciano sitting with his back to the firing squad:

https://i.ibb.co/S3rjFkz/C3.jpg

The firing squad ready their rifles:

https://i.ibb.co/ZX90Q96/C4.jpg

Ciano at the moment he is shot:

https://i.ibb.co/vvhphMj/C5.jpg

These stills show clearly that Ciano is shot in the back and facing away from the shooters.

In addition, the Telegraph reference cited in the Wiki entry mentions nothing about Ciano twisting his chair around to face the firing squad. Using that as a reference only further compounds the erroneous information in the paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:2847:AE80:14A0:B67:58B8:DFCD (talk) 15:17, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

To add to Bibliography
Newly published book to add to this article's Bibliography section:
 * Tilar J. Mazzeo, Sisters in Resistance: How a German Spy, a Banker's Wife, and Mussolini's Daughter Outwitted the Nazis (2022). 173.88.246.138 (talk) 21:29, 2 October 2022 (UTC)