Talk:Gamaliel (Qliphah)

Gamaliel
While "Gamaliel" has been the order of qlippoth corresponding to the sephira Yesod since the days of the Golden Dawn, does anyone know where Mathers found this attribution? Other researches on the word "Gamaliel" show it to be the proper name of a Rabbi well-regarded in both Christian and Judaic tradition.

I do not challenge the material presented here, as "Gamaliel" has been used in this sense for over a hundred years now, but I do wonder if the name was a "blind" introduced by Mathers to put a safer word of power into the GD teachings, rather than a more traditional, and dangerous, Hebrew name. Anybody? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.211.21 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 17 February 2006


 * Mathers was not all that inventive, but merely recorded information collated by earlier esoteric Freemasons. Also, neither he nor his protege, Aleister Crowley, were particularly good at researching Hebrew. The name Gamaliel literally means "God is my recompense" or "(a) mighty (one) is my recompense". It isn't a blind, per se, but a play on words. In the direct sense, it praises God as being worth any effort of virtue, and in this sense is a reasonable name for a Rabbi. But by implying that any value can be placed on God, it is understood to mean "worth no more than the effort I put into it", and that is understood as a weak foundation (Yesod) upon which to establish any enterprise. The translation can be gleaned from any decent dictionary of Biblical Hebrew. The interpretation, however, must be regarded as "original research" - you won't find much about this subject in print by anyone who really qualifies as an authority. 74.215.117.149 (talk) 08:43, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

This article should me moved
Qliphoth is the plural form, thus Gamaliel (Qliphoth) as the article′s title is incorrect, as is a sentence like “Gamaliel is the Qliphoth associated with the Sephirah Yesod on the kabbalistic Tree of Life.” I suggest moving to Gamaliel (Qliphah) or however you prefer to transliterate the Hebrew singular form. --78.50.82.124 (talk) 12:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)