Talk:Gamemaker (disambiguation)

Requested move 9 January 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Gamemaker → Gamemaker (disambiguation) – GameMaker is very obviously the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this word (as well as Game Maker). I believe this should be moved to make way for a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Yeah, I know WP:NWFCTYM, but gamemaker is to me, anyone who makes games, videogames or TTRPG or otherwise. I didn't know the game engine existed until this RM. Speaking of personal feelings, I hope this does not become a WP:SMALLDETAILS RM. Those stay open for weeks because they're difficult to close.
 * Since my comment is so vibes-based, I'm willing to reconsider if there's data showing some primary topic. Thanks, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The terms "game maker" and "gamemaker" seem to be used not infrequently outside the name of the engine as a colloquial term for video game developer:
 * Saudi’s Savvy Games Buys Gamemaker Scopely For $4.9 Billion
 * Netflix Sued Over ‘Rebel Moon’ by Game Maker That Claims Its World-Building Was Used in Movie
 * CEO of Fortnite game maker casts Google as a ‘crooked’ bully in testimony during Android app trial
 * NZ game maker reports $49m profit as Chinese Government eyes ‘golden share’
 * 'Marvel Snap gamemaker Second Dinner raises US$100 million in funding
 * The Queer Games Avant-Garde: How LGBTQ Game Makers Are Reimagining the Medium of Video Games
 * Unity Production: Capturing the Everyday Game Maker Market (this doesn't refer to capturing the market from its rival)
 * The YouTube channel Game Maker's Toolkit uses it as a generic term


 * The engine could very well be the primary topic (especially for the version without a space) but so far this isn't substantively proven. Support per discussion below. ― novov (t   c)  10:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Clickstream data from Wikinav would seem to show that most people click through to the engine, not "video game developer". Visitors from the DAB page make up 2.32% of the article's monthly views, and only 0.05% of "Game developer"'s monthly views, an extremely tiny amount. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I'll change my vote then. ― novov (t   c)  01:35, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I find the news and book sources Mir Novov listed above illuminating. WP:DPT cautions against relying solely on any one metric (e.g. WikiNav or usage in English-language reliable sources) to determine the primary topic. So, it's helpful for any other participants (and the closer) to see multiple datasets.
 * For example, I am weighing the fact that news headlines often use shorter phrases that may not reflect actual usage against WikiNav's data, which reflects only a month of <300 views per month. (One should hope that the articles and books above are clocking more than 300 views a month.) At this point, I have no strong views on the proposed move. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In my experience, "Gamemaker" or "Game maker" is just a weird, unusual and rarely-used phrase to describe a game developer with. "Gamedev", "game developer/game dev" or "indie dev" is far more common. Google Ngrams also bears that out, with "game maker" being tremendously less used. It has a spike in views when made case-insensitive, likely due to the engine, which used to be called "Game Maker" before changing its name. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, mainly per Zxcvbnm. While "game maker" in reference to a game developer/publisher is used in some headlines, like shown above, this seems to mainly be a headlinese convention; even in the linked articles, it's a much less common term in those articles' body text. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 21:04, 17 January 2024 (UTC)